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     Aesquire |
Odd. This thread started BEFORE Obama started this war. ( inertial military contingency? ) So are you mad he went to war? mad he didn't go to war fast enough? mad he's doing it all wrong? ( probably my view...not sure yet ) mad he's doing it as a campaign ad? mad he's trying to have it so it's not his fault when it goes sour? mad he didn't follow constitutional rules? mad his Wife wants you to lose weight? ( yeah! the hussy!) ????? I can't tell anything except I think he's screwing it up. But hey, Biden told us that they'd have solutions that we wouldn't understand or agree with. HE TOLD US. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/bi den-to-suppor.html I do have to agree with the Vice on 1 or 2 things. "There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound." "...Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound." Now that makes sense. Also the "'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'" part is true. Sorta my whole reaction to his regime. | ||
| Cowboy |
I say let the S O B's kill each other Gaddaffi is a known terriost. The rebels are sponsored by the muslim brotherhood. | ||
| Slaughter |
OK... somebody tell me how the f*ck our Military is supposed to operate if under a foreign command? Every soldier, sailor, airman, Marine took an oath to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Fine - but now what if say, Turkey had a command function ... or Albania. What are the options our warfighter has if the orders are questionable? ... just sayin. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Odd. This thread started BEFORE Obama started this war. ( inertial military contingency? ) So are you mad he went to war? mad he didn't go to war fast enough? mad he's doing it all wrong? ( probably my view...not sure yet ) mad he's doing it as a campaign ad? mad he's trying to have it so it's not his fault when it goes sour? mad he didn't follow constitutional rules? mad his Wife wants you to lose weight? ( yeah! the hussy!) ????? Yes, I started this thread BEFORE the action started because I was not satisfied that he had sat on his hands for a month while the Libyan people tried to finally kick that two-bit dictator out of power. What he is doing right now is EXACTLY what I wished that he would do. Use air power and special forces to smash the loyalists and hoepfully put a democratic government in place. FORCE the other nations of the world to stand up and DO SOMETHING for once, instead of bitch and moan about the humanitarian tragedy and the bitch and moan more about the US not doing anything about it. I fully support the President in this and I will not oppose him simply because I oppose him politically on occation. That kind of brain-dead blind opposition to what the other party is doing, no matter what, is one of the things that is tearing this country apart. | ||
| Blake |
Maybe, just maybe the plan or at least part of it is to once again suck in all the islamist jihadis and keep them occupied over there. If so, and if in the process Libya turns into our ally. I'm cool with that. The fact that China and Russia oppose the effort indicates that may well be the case. The one who chooses the field of battle has a huge advantage. Ask General Lee. | ||
| Aesquire |
Good point Blake. One of the reasons the Iraqi Front was so active ( so much killing ) was our policy was to fight them in Iraq, instead of here, or Afghanistan. Iraq had a fairly friendly population. We had freed them from Saddam. The bad guys initially were the Bathists, those in power before Saddam went to hide, and Saddam's relatives. A small minority. Iraq is a land of deserts & cities, with mountains mostly in the Kurdish region. ( who are very friendly, and a very different people than the plains dwellers in Iraq, Turkey, and Iran, all "nations" created by the allies after WW1, with no thought as to who really lived where ) Afghanistan is a land of a very few large cities, and many many tiny villages in valleys in the mountains. Pathans, etc. People who when not left alone tend to kill anyone considered an occupier. Been that way since way before Alexander. So it made sense to make Iraq the terrorist magnet. Sucked to be Iraqi, but much easier to find & fight bad guys, once the initial screwups were partially corrected. ( the "surge" and actually holding territory until the locals trust we won't just leave them to be killed. ) Afghanistan was in a low intensity state of conflict, with the problems being the Pakistan border, and the Talib being supported by Pakistan Secret Police. For years. Then the current U.S. regime made it the "good war" and IMHO prompted the rise in violence. Obama's version of "bring it on" didn't get as much press here, but kicked the hornets nest there. In grudging defense of Obama, he has blown up a lot of folk in Pakistan, many who were probably bad guys. The Marines that take over allied areas, where othe nations had policies of hanging in bases, clearing some mines and not fighting the Taliban directly, are getting good results. I disagree with the announcements of withdrawl and the like, realizing they are political moves by Barack to keep his left base happy, because I think they cause excessive casualties, enemy & friendly as we encourage the bad guys with, what are, frankly, most probably bullcrap lies to keep the Code Pink cretins on Baracks side. Sigh. Libya is deserts you can't hide well in, and cities along the coast. Easy to hit with carrier air, and close to European bases. So, it potentially is a great place to kill bad guys. It would be great if Obama is actually a genius at this stuff, and I'd be thrilled if he is, but I suspect it's more reelection moves than rational policy. Hope I'm wrong. Here's some better reasoned opinions. Notice they change day by day to reflect actual facts. Not a single mantra no matter reality. Pournelle's a smart dude. http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/2011/Q1/view667 .html | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Teachers, firefighters and policemen and women are losing pay and benefits because everyone is making cuts yet this administration is spending billions on another small war. We could spend that money on building better levies in new orleans and helping those people out more or invest in green technology just like what was talked about in the campaign rhetoric. How much war shall this imperialist country wage on muslim nations and people of color. | ||
| Cowboy |
As a person who has studed the mid-east for a long time.I am having a problem with this operation because. I am not a fan of Libya' I am concerned that Obama is drifting a way from Israel. As they have the best inteligence in the world. You know that the Bedowins are a radical bunch at best; If they over throw the big boss man. anyone can lead the any where with the Koran. we need better info before we comit to far.( This is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.) after living for 100s of yrs under a dictater they are not ready for democracy: CAUTION---CAUTION | ||
| Sifo |
>>>So are you mad he went to war? I don't think we have enough info yet to decide if going to war was the right or wrong thing. >>>mad he didn't go to war fast enough? No. Although it could have been done faster or slower with proper justifications. >>>mad he's doing it all wrong? ( probably my view...not sure yet ) Yes. Lack of communication with the people. Lack of communication with Congress. Lack of stated objectives. Lack of stated justification for going to war. Lack of an understanding of who we are supporting (there's evidence that al qaeda is aligned with the rebels). Lack of an exit strategy. Lack of the will to go in to win. >>>mad he's doing it as a campaign ad? I'm not aware of him doing that... Yet. >>>mad he's trying to have it so it's not his fault when it goes sour? A bit. That's part of his spineless character. Goes right along with when he used to vote "present". >>>mad he didn't follow constitutional rules? Very! >>>mad his Wife wants you to lose weight? ( yeah! the hussy!) The less of a public issue his wife is the happier I am. | ||
| Cowboy |
sifo---The problem I have is I had rather have a enemy I know than one I dont know. (and yes I will get as fat as I damn please) | ||
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| Glitch |
Those Europeans have windmills, they don't need oil  | ||
| Kenm123t |
Johnnie The Money to fix the levies was stolen by the locals long before Katrina Why would a local flood control district need with G4 gulfstream Biz jet ? I am not a fan of The COl I think what we are doing is providing air cover for the Muslim brotherhood Who Knows who the real players are. If you want to keep us out of the mid east them Develop a real energy policy ( Wind mills and solar panels are cute but not a base load power supply)Use our own resources if we cant get our own resources out of the ground get use to mideast problems Well a reduction do you know where we fought our first war in th e mid east? Which branches of the services were there ? | ||
| Slaughter |
Give me the average mean sea level. Give me the elevation BELOW sea level of 60% of New Orleans... Last I heard, on my planet in normal gravity, water flows downhill  | ||
| Kenm123t |
+1 Slaughter Nowlins needed a good flushing out. Other than the food in some places and some of the Music its a pest hole | ||
| Blake |
Ken, Johnny's favored mode of political commentary is sarcastic parody. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Last I heard, on my planet in normal gravity, water flows downhill Careful you've breached sacred territory and are in danger of being branded a racist. | ||
| Hootowl |
"Nowlins needed a good flushing out" Unfortunately, most of the criminals scurried on over to Houston. Like calk-a-roaches. (I know, it's spelled wrong, but the board won't let me say ••••) | ||
| Hootowl |
But yes, NO is a shit hole. Been there before and after. The piles of garbage just moved from one place to another. I went there two years after Katrina. There were still lived in homes that had fences blown down, and never repaired. No one gives a shit about anything. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
How is the cleanup going in japan? I don't remember hearing about looting and violence. | ||
| Kenm123t |
They still live by Bushido a Code of Conduct based on Honor. Honor something we need to do a better job of engendering. | ||
| Sifo |
It's hard to imagine stating this as policy... http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/152181- white-house-says-libya-decision-based-on-best-inte rests-in-region
I have to admit that I agree that they don't make decisions based on consistency or precedent (sometimes AKA the rule of law). | ||
| Sifo |
Somewhere in this thread someone asked if it was a political move on BO's part. It dawned on me this afternoon that it just may be. There's the constant threat that Hillary might make a primary run against him. Could he have just snookered Hillary into defending this crap kinetic military action as Secretary of State while he sits back saying as little as possible. It still seems like a huge stretch to me, but it makes more sense than just about anything else about this KMA. | ||
| Saxon59 |
OK,so I've heard we are protecting the anti-Ghaddafi protesters from the military jets because its the right thing to do,but I haven't heard anything about protecting the anti-government protesters in Syria that are being killed.Is Syria not important enough?or is this all a bunch of chest pounding to make B.O.look like he knows what he's doing? | ||
| Sifo |
He is scheduled to speak pretty soon about why Syrians aren't worth saving. It's all part of what I posted earlier where they said...
All hail the king! | ||
| Sifo |
What I'm looking for tonight (aside from a valid reason for the KMA) is the word victory. I don't think the king has it in him. | ||
| Saxon59 |
Sifo,I agree,I think its more about making the good OL' U.S.A. look bad as in we can't win anything anymore,we're no longer a viable super power-----sad. | ||
| Sifo |
One thing this KMA really reminds me of. In Orwell's 1984 they would start and stop wars with no explanation simply rewriting the history as they went to explain why they were at war. I still have no idea what to really make of this, other than BO is waaaaay late in addressing the nation to tell us what the hell we are doing in Libya. That, and I'm clear in the fact that he lacks legal authority to drag us into something like this. | ||
| Cowboy |
He gets his orders from Soros. | ||
| Saxon59 |
He gets his orders from Soros) +1  |
