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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 06:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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"It's modern-day slavery, you know? People kind of laugh at that, but there are people working at regular jobs who get treated the same way, too. With all the money. ... The owners are trying to get a different percentage, and bring in more money. I understand that; these are business-minded people. Of course this is what they are going to want to do. I understand that; it's how they got to where they are now. But as players, we have to stand our ground and say, 'Hey, without us, there's no football.' "

Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson

Peterson is set to make $10.72 million in base salary in 2011.

from http://www.twincities.com/ci_17619356?nclick_check =1&_requestid=14586434




It would be interesting to see a meeting between Mr. Peterson, Martin Luther King Jr., John Brown, Frederick Douglas, and Kunta Kinte.

Bargain for all you can get; I'm all for it, as long as the discussion remains honest.
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Wileecoyote
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 07:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a hard time with guys like this that make that kind of money and still believe they are owed more. Its a chip on the shoulder that never mends. I saw a blurb on CNN where his agent said not to take his statement out of context. Hmmm, right.
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Guell
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 07:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Modern day slavery? Tell that douche he doesn't have to play. No one is making him...
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 08:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll play. I'll probably get torn in half after the first play, but I'll try.
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Fahren
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whatever your feelings are about the salaries of sports figures, the principle of the owner's profit versus employees' compensation is the same whether it be a $10.72 million salary or $10.72 per hour. The use of the word "slavery" by Mr. Peterson, unfortunately muddied the issue. The term "wage slave" is pretty common, and not exclusive to African-Americans.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 09:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

He said 'Kunta' hzzzzzzzz.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wouldn't consider a $10.72M annual salary as "wage slave".


Now if you'd like to discuss the economic strategy of continuously devaluing the currency so that the wages people make buy less and less.

THAT is wage slavery.
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Fahren
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree w/ you, Mr. bstrd.

I didn't mean to imply that a huge salary like that qualifies as wage slavery - rather, as your comment points out, simply by Mr. Peterson having inserted the word slave or slavery into the discussion, rather than sticking to basic economic issues such as the worth of the dollar, and/or an employee's need to negotiate the best wage versus an employer's desire to maximize profit, the waters are muddied, and all of a sudden, a serious economic discussion gets side-tracked by issues about slavery, and by extension, race. Totally beside the point, totally distracting.
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I used to have season footbabll tickets. can't afford them anymore, nor most of my friends that used to tailgate with us. Keep making more money, soon you won't make any.
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Rasta_dog
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

While slavery and discrimination in the world still exist, those words are over used to describe the life of African Americans today...especially professional athletes. Mr. Peterson, you have spoken like a true douchebag.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

10.7 Mil for a season that lasts less than half the year. oh sure there's training, and recruitment, marketing yadda yadda, but I know in Redmond where the squaks are, it is a ghost town for at least 3 months of the year.


as long as people keep going to the games, they will garner that cash. Quit going. Supply and demand, there salaries will tumble accordingly.

Both of the coaches at WSU and UOFW make 3 times the amount the governor does. BOTH are state employees.....um yeah, where is the austerity ? Apparently NOT in the football department.
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86129squids
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 01:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmmm- I'm with Johnny. Pay me an hourly rate based on Peterson's take, watch me run!
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let's not forget here, that's his base salary.
With endorsements & appearance money etc, he's probably doubling that.

I bet he gives some to charity too (it's tax deductible).

Hell I'd sign up for a season at that money, I'm sure it'd put butts on seats too, just so that Joe Public could see some dumb limey get creamed in the first few minutes.

I'd have the ambulance standing by ready to take me to the bank.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know that these men are skilled in what they do, and skills deserve money, but come on, 10M a year plus endorsements etc? Give me a break. Be thankful for your health and gift and play your heart out while you can. And put some of that back in savings when youre done with the sport.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't begrudge him the maximum amount he can get. He gets paid $10.7M because no one would pay him $11M.

The Vikings total annual player expense is $151M. The Revenue is $181M.

As long as teams are making more money than it costs to hire talent, I don't see the problem.
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 07:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

XFL is where it's at.(it was).
Paid for plays....:-)
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Rich
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe he could try waitressing, they think they're underpaid too.
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Swampy
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

TAXES!

Excuse me.....you were saying?
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 12:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>The Vikings total annual player expense is $151M. The Revenue is $181M.

Based on this information. That leaves them 30 mil to run the business. A business which has hundreds of employees. Massive maintenance costs, etc, etc. Hard to see how the owner is making anything close to what AP is making. Hard to see how the business isn't losing money. AP is just another athlete who knows what he is being told by others, and believes the fiction he is feed.

Is the 181 mil total revenue including TV / Radio / Etc?

My bosses have told me flat out, they want to make double off me, what they pay me an hour. That's business. That's the way it works. I don't think Minnesota Vikings owner made twice AP's salary. Did he? I see corporate CEO's making 100 times their average workers wage. And 5/6 times their top employee's salary. Not seeing that in the NFL. Sure in some teams maybe, but not on average.

The players would like to use the richest team's revenue, and expect to get paid accordingly league wide. Until the Vikings are pulling down 300 mil in revenue, AP has no credibility with me.

>>>I used to have season football tickets. can't afford them anymore, nor most of my friends that used to tailgate with us. Keep making more money, soon you won't make any.

Yup.

>>>as long as people keep going to the games, they will garner that cash. Quit going. Supply and demand, there salaries will tumble accordingly.

Yup. And quit watching on tv.
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Scooter808484
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 06:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Based on this information. That leaves them 30 mil to run the business.

And who says this information is correct? The NFL owners would not open their financial statements to give an accurate accounting of their gazzintas and gazoutas.

You can say that it's none of the employees business what the profits are, but if I'm an employee in a collective bargaining arrangement, and I think I have a pretty leveraging position on whether they can keep making that money, you can bet I'm not giving $1 billion away without wanting to see an accurate accounting.

I bet you guys would run for what AP is making, unfortunately, neither I or anyone else will pay anything to see it!
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Geforce
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Quit going. Supply and demand, there salaries will tumble accordingly."

Done. Stopped watching/caring about football and pretty much all other high wage sports when the players started to get out of control. I now watch/track/suuport and following things like the Yukon Quest, Iditarod, motorcycle club racing and anything with Buell or Erik Buell Racing in it.

Who won the superbowl this year?
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 08:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

pft, I couldnt even tell you who played. Though I did have to suffer through the squaking of halftime for a bit.

dont ask me what the score was, who the quarterbacks were, where the game was played, or about the pregame/post game rehashes.
I dont know, I dont care
That goes for survivor, idol, biggest loser, dancing with the stars, jersey shore,

I took the tv out to the back forty and pumped it full of lead last new years when everything went from analog.

(I tried selling it, nobody wanted it, it was 15 years old ! )
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 04:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have no problem with the salaries, after all is that not the "American Way" to get what the market will stand?

No, my problem is the namby pamby whining of those who are so conpsicuously well remunerated complaining that they're hard done by.

My advice to them, STFU & look around you.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"That goes for survivor, idol, biggest loser, dancing with the stars, jersey shore"

Peas in a pod my friend, peas in a pod.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As long as teams are making more money than it costs to hire talent, I don't see the problem.

+1. The margins aren't really important, profit is profit. If this guy costs $10.7M but brings $13M in revenue, you just got a $2.3M profit. Better you get it than someone else.

No, my problem is the namby pamby whining of those who are so conpsicuously well remunerated complaining that they're hard done by.

Another +1. Let's not forget that not all players are like this - there are those that truely love the game and not just the paycheck.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If he doesnt like getting paid milions to play a kids game let him get a real job! We have allowed the colleges to make money on these mostly criminal scum bags. Some thing is very wrong when the highest paid job in a states budget are the football coaches. Pull the plug intramurals are all that need to be played. Televise those and any proceeds go to the real students. Pro sports need to be out of colleges. If not what about a state nascar team college racing. Colleges are for training minds not mindless games.
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Imonabuss
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK, OK, let's cut to the chase guys. How do I sign up for this slavery thing? They had a version a couple hundred years ago that wouldn't have interested me, but this modern version is just kick-ass! I mean, I guess I'd be an intern slave, but if I could maybe get $1M a year?
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