| Author | Message | ||
     Crusty |
First, I think it's beautiful. If it runs as well as it looks (and I think it will!), it should be a Hot Commodity in the Sportbike world. I hope it sells like Ice cold beer at Sturgis. However, I won't be buying one. I'm an old, fat gimp who likes to travel; my racing days are long behind me. I could ride that bike for about ten minutes or so before the pain made me pull over. As beautiful as it looks and, I'm sure, handles, I have to give it a miss. What I want is a Sport - Tourer. I want a bike that feels as comfortable as an S2-T, with the performance, reliability and durability that the 1190 promises. A bike that's easily maintained. If I decide to ride to Newport, OR for Mexican food on the spur of the moment, it will be ready and willing. A bike with a good fairing. A bike that would allow me to ride over Lolo Pass at highly illegal speeds, taking the turns heeled over comfortably and confidently. I don't want to buy an 1190 and put higher bars, taller windscreen and bags on it; anything I'd be able to accomplish in my garage could be done easier and better in East Troy. And I definitely don't want a 520 chain. I don't want a chain at all. I have no issue with having to change a drive belt out once every year of two. I also like shaft drive, even though it robs some power. It isn't that much work to drain the oil on the rear drive housing. I first fell in love with Buells at Daytona in '96. I took a test ride on a Lightning, and was impressed with the power, then I rode an S2-T, and fell in love with the bike. I told the people working the Demos that, "next year, you're going to put the engine from the S1 into the S2, and you'll have a real winner!" They the S3-T came out, and I fell in love. Of course, there were the inevitable problems that come with first generation products, but Buell stepped up and did the Right Thing. And every time a problem was solved, it was done in such a manner that it never occurred again. Now that all the teething problems of the tubers have been experienced and dealt with, as well as the few problems from the XBs, I think a Sport - Tourer would sell. I could very easily be wrong, but I know one person who'd buy one. | ||
| Rkc00 |
I know 2 people who would buy one. | ||
| Britchri10 |
Personally, I would love an 1190. I can picture myself tearing up the long straights (& few corners) in florida on it. Realistically, I too am feeling the advancing years & cannot see myself using even 80% of the bike's potential. I'm with Crusty on this one: a sport tourer would fit my needs like a glove. I, too would purchase one from EB if one ever becomes available. | ||
| Fltwistygirl |
2 more here who are in. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I think we will find out that this frame/engine combination is at least as adaptable to a bunch of variants as the XB platform was. There's no reason we can't have a full-out high end sport bike, a sport bike normal people can afford, a naked 1190 (already done), a sport tourer, and an adventure sport off this platform. We just need to be patient.   | ||
| Spdrxb |
I think the trickle down from track to street is a design model that will work better this time..... We must be patient! | ||
| Spdrxb |
arrg I hate the simutaneous post! | ||
| Britchri10 |
I couldn't afford a new bike right now, anyway. Give me a year or so & I will be in the market. Unfortunately, patience is not a virtue with which I am too familiar!  | ||
| Blake |
>>> I have to give it a miss. I appreciate your musings, and enjoyed your post. That one comment seems to imply that you were expecting something other than a repli-racer superbike for the street. I'd just say that while I understand the disappointment of unmet hopes and expectations, the 1190RS can't be a miss if it wasn't aiming for the particular target you might have hoped for. Way too early to be critical of model lineup I think. No? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Way too early to be critical of model lineup I think. No? True...lol Just a thought, but maybe those folks interested in Erik Buell Racing, but not interested in the 1190rs would be better suited to open an Erik Buell Racing franchise? I'm just sayin... | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
I am hoping that Erik Buell Racing becomes some what similar to ducati in the fact that when you here the name you in vision their top of the line super bike repli racer bike, but they also offer a wide selection of great real world street sport bikes and such. I believe that is Erik's plan in this situation though I could be wrong create the Flagship first to get your name out their and then start building bikes for the taste of the common man. You have to remeber that us buell riders wanted buells because they was different and what not. The goal of any motorcycle brand is for every one to want your buy that brand. Think about all the squids who buy gsxrs because they carried the #1 plate in ama for so long or busas because they was labeled the fastest production bike. Some people may want the specialty bikes like the sport tourer or a big bore motard type(thats what I want) but the bike that is going to give a company its reputation is its big gun. | ||
| Thumper1203 |
Thank you for that blake... my thoughts are echoed in your post.. I, for one, intend to fully enjoy the ride(s) erik has us on, for all it is. OMG what a beautiful machine he has created, and a true sign of good things to come! every journey starts with a first step. We can all "ride with pride" because buell passion is ALIVE! | ||
| Glitch |
Ya gotta start somewhere. Erik's passion is racing after all. His very first bike wasn't a sport tourer either, but later on down the road... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
There's no reason we can't have a full-out high end sport bike, a sport bike normal people can afford, a naked 1190 (already done), a sport tourer, and an adventure sport off this platform. Downgrade the suspension to the BPF and a suitable shock compromise, lose the carbon fiber bits, lose the mag wheels, add a belt option and you are WELL on your way to dropping the cost by $10,000 and making it much more street friendly. I would like to see the motor internals and output remain the same between the full blown RR and downgraded street version. The motor would be the last thing I would touch as far as modding for cost savings/street. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I would like to see the motor internals and output remain the same between the full blown RR and downgraded street version. The motor would be the last thing I would touch as far as modding for cost savings/street. Remember that these engines are hand-built about as expensively as you could imagine doing it. Apparently Erik Buell Racing is disassembling 1125 engines, performing the machine work required for the larger pistons (and who knows what else), and then putting the engine back together with various new high-end parts. There's at least double the normal assembly labor in building one of these engines, not to mention the cost of pieces that just get tossed (pistons, valves, etc.). It would be WAY cheaper to build an engine to these specs from the start on a production line. Just putting these things into mass production will lower the price signifantly. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
It would be WAY cheaper to build an engine to these specs from the start on a production line. Just putting these things into mass production will lower the price signifantly. I agree. Good point. Even MORE of a reason for BRP to get involved. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
So you guys are surprised, disappointed or whatever that a company called Erik Buell RACING is releasing a race style bike for their first model and not a sport touring bike, simply because it's what you wanted?? I get that. Every time OCC releases a bike that's not set up to dominate World Superbike I'm more disappointed and frustrated. | ||
| Americanmadexb |
I really want to make my own Jones soda now. Picture the 1190RS on the bottle, name it "RELENTLESS", make it taste like sour grapes and leave it on the doorstep of H-D! | ||
| Panhead_dan |
If Erik is introducing this bike now, the next one is already well on it's way. That is the way he has been doing things in the recent past. The difference right now is that there is no HD to stop him. You want an ST? I want a DS. Erik knows.... This new bike is so beautiful it's staggering. The engineering is amazing. The way it is to be offered, it can be modded for about a 40 horse gain very inexpensively. Niiice. Just imagine what your ST is gonna be like. I've already been imagining my DS (and workin on the Navigator for the funding in our budget!) I am so proud to own and ride a Buell! | ||
| 86129squids |
UUHHHHhhhhh Uuhhhuhuhuhuhhhhhh UhuhuhuhhHHHhhhh... That's cool. | ||
| Crusty |
I will explain myself once. I was not slamming the 1190 in any manner whatsoever. In fact, I said that, "I hope it sells like Ice cold beer at Sturgis" I know where Erik's priorities are. He's a Racer, and he is building high performance street legal race bikes. I hope he kicks ass in AMA Superbike, and, in due time, in WSB as well. I cheer on his efforts, and am very disappointed when things go wrong. However, I always stand behind the man and his creations. When I said, "I have to give it a miss", I meant that it's the wrong bike for me. I was not slamming the bike, Erik, or anything else. I was expressing my own priorities and desires for a motorcycle. I've been bugging Erik to build a replacement for the S3-T since 2003. When Buell released the XT, I ran out and bought one as soon as I could because it was the closest thing to a Sport - Tourer since the inception of the XB platform. As far as being critical of the whole model line up, I was expressing my desires and hopes for a possible future model. As I clearly stated in my post, I want a bike I can ride from coast to coast that will make good power, handle like a Buell and be comfortable enough for high mileage days. After the 1190 proves itself, and is selling well, maybe Erik might turn his attention toward riders with similar desires. | ||
| Danger_dave |
Yeah - I agree that I admire the engineering and hope it's the flagship of the new empire etc etc. Personally I nothing but academic interest in the bike. Where's my Dual sport???? | ||
| Kenm123t |
Doogle Retrain Dave thanks Dave he needs better treats. | ||
| Kenm123t |
oh Dave we are huge Doogle fans more videos please | ||
| Brumbear |
Well Mike and Crusty I would be number 3 but I can't afford a high sticker like that when they mainstream them and get down around 14K I am there!!!!! | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
I got what you were saying crusty. It is an amazing bike for certain riders. Its really just what h.d. wouldn't let him do. He could only make one to start. It has to be the race bike. Win some races sell some make more models for everybody. Me I don't have 40k anyway | ||
| Brumbear |
I am right with Crusty on this one I give it a miss for me and me alone. I posted similar sentiments in Courts corner months ago!!!! I am to old and fat to ride a race bike so I will wait till his next machine comes available . There is no reason for YOU to wait if YOU like race bikes it's a Hit for YOU. I hope it is a WINNER for Erik Buell so my bike will eventually be made I wonder sometimes I really wonder. | ||
| Bartimus |
I think the 1190 is exactly what everyone is expecting from Erik. Cutting edge, powerful, a serious contender in the racing world. Erik Buell Racing is going to seriously surprise the big four this year. I'm with Crusty in that I want a sport tourer. I know there isn't a large market for these bikes, that's why Buell didn't build them with the XB platform. I also tried a ULY, but wasn't satisfied. I would love to see an 1125 based bike with the sexy bodywork of an S2, but don't expect to see that in the near future... I have my Tuber, my XB, and my 1125. Someday Erik Buell Racing will make something that will suit me, and I will buy it. Until then, I'll keep riding my Buells, enjoying life, enjoying the curves, and waiting. Erik WILL build something that catches my eye, he ALWAYS does.  I am just glad that he is once again seeing his dreams come true. He is a man of vision, of passion, and yet, he is down to earth, a regular guy like you and me, and deserves to go out there and smoke the competition. I love the 1190RS, it is not a bike that I would want to own, but it is a bike that I think is an engineering marvel that is going to stomp the competition... Rock on, Erik!!! | ||
| Swampy |
I think it is beautiful, I would LOVE to ride one, but I to know I will have to wait for the 1190 variants show up, they have done it before, they will do it again, crack.....It's Long Gone....HOME RUN! | ||
| Ezblast |
Yeah that bike is pure sex! Way to go Erik Buell Racing! |
