| Author | Message | ||
     Scottorious |
So what bike will Geoff be riding in the superbike race? I dont know if I have missed some threads but it seems that the 1190 should have been out by now so that he could race it? Somebody fill me in on everything. | ||
| Slaughter |
1190 isn't (yet) homologated. Not sure how the rules read but it must be DOT/EPA certified and available for sale. I think (guessing) that a certain number have to be sold - and these MUST be street legal, not "race only" - this just means that Erik is busting his BUTT getting the 1190 street-certified (guessing again) IF this is so, Geoff will have to start on the 1125... but it SURE is exciting to wonder WHAZZUP! | ||
| Oysterman |
Technically, there isnt even a DOT/EPA certified 1125 for sale anymore. Or can it be based on the 08/09/10 bikes?? I'm not very familiar w the rules, that's why I'm asking.... | ||
| 46champ |
The 1125 design is frozen at the 2009 rr level no changes can be made in the items that have to be homologated to race. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Amen to that Steve! | ||
| Ratbuell |
Well, it *was* posted on EB's facebook page a week or week and a half ago that they were working on EPA/DOT stuff...currently. And somebody with a rulebook, check the verbage - do a certain number have to be sold, or do a certain number have to be made available for sale? In other words...does a warehouse full of prepped bikes with pricetags count? | ||
| Slaughter |
Ratbuell - That is my question. I THINK that the number sold doesn't have to be huge but the bike MUST be available for sale and production homologated components MUST be available for measurement and inspection if there's a protest. Every internal component must be bone stock with few exceptions... and officials must be able to inspect and measure production bits and pieces in case there's a protest... I THINK. I'm gonna go look at the rules just because this is INTERESTING. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
you know there is gonna be a protest... no matter what | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
I spoke to Erik at the AMA Finals last year and asked about the 1190. He seemed optimistic about getting the bike out and eligible for racing as soon as possible. Take this with a grain of salt because I can't remember his words verbatim, but it's the impression that I got. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them switch to the 1190 in the last few races. But there are a lot of hurdles to get over before that can happen. We'll just have to wait and see. I think Geoff's and Erik Buell Racing have a shot at a great season with or without the 1190. They'll just have to work harder and maybe have a bit more luck with the 1125RR. | ||
| Crackhead |
Erik could show up at the track and sell the bikes out the back of the truck. If he was required to sell X bikes, he could pull it off at the track. That would be one hell of a surprise for those going to the races. | ||
| Slaughter |
http://www.amaproracing.com/competition/index.cfm? cid=20458
1125 and 1125RR are the ONLY bikes listed for Superbike: http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/crvEEL.pdf 2011 Rule book - subject to revision
Section 4 goes into system-by-system homologation rules. From section 3.2 - General Equipment:
In addition, there are requirements for unique VIN identification (so our marked "RACE ONLY" engines and chassis would have to be special cases and handled on a case-by-case basis - but I know that folks like me will get any closer than the pits to an AMA track) | ||
| Glitch |
hardly a cut and dry set of rules | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
Yeah, Sounds like the board decides on a case by case rather than having a set of rules and guidelines. Or if there are a set of guidelines they keep them to themselves. I think the chances are good that they'll homologate the 1190R after they are released for sale. After all they did homologate the 1125RR. I think homolgating a street-legal production bike (though a "limited production") will cause less of a stir than homologating a race-only bike. And really the 1190 is only "limited production" due to the size of Erik Buell Racing at the moment and the desire to keep quality high. If the orders pour in production can go up. | ||
| Glitch |
Yeah, Sounds like the board decides on a case by case rather than having a set of rules and guidelines. Or if there are a set of guidelines they keep them to themselves. Leaving themselves open to protest, and free publicity, not to mention a tremendous amount of whining... | ||
| Court |
Cool | ||
| Bob_thompson |
One thing I do believe is that if the 1190 IS homologated, anytime, into AMA racing it definitely WILL increase interest and attendance at AMA races. HOORAH! | ||
| Reepicheep |
I'm looking forward to:
I was happy to see BMW being able to race the series all year when it was going to be mid year when the bike actually went on sale. I'd be fine with any other manufacturer doing the same thing, even the big three Japanese brands. The whining might get some traction up front, but mid year, when you can (and people will) go buy a $25k Buell 1190RS (saving quite a bit over the similar spec'd Ducati) and ride it to the races, the whiners are going to sound beyond lame. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Isn't it about time for them to pull the curtain back a little further on that thing and post another photo on Facebook?  | ||
| Bads1 |
Bill do you think the 1190 is going to be 25K or less ??? I'm thinkin not. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
we can hope.... and we can hope for less too... | ||
| Reepicheep |
Wishful thinking on my part, but I know at the end of the day Erik want's his bikes in the hands of the people that can ride them. The *last* thing he wants is a bike that only 50 people can afford, and that only 5 people will actually ride. | ||
| Bads1 |
Bill,Erik has said in close to these words that his bikes will be in limited number's. He also used Bimota as a reference. Now that to me would sound like a 40k bike. This is Bimota's DB7. http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/firstrides/122_0 809_ducati_powered_bimota_db7/bimota_specs.html | ||
| Court |
Wow | ||
| Greg_e |
I think in the case of new designs they are allowed a certain amount of time before the street version goes on sale, June comes to mind but I could be wrong. I assume if they miss that date, the certification gets pulled and all points get flushed. It is in the recesses of the rules somewhere and is based on the typical buyer riding season starting in the spring which is different from cars which are year round. But they do need to have XX bikes available at the time of acceptance which means basically now. BMW probably put XX bikes in the hands of sales for traveling shows, and for racers and that made up the minimum number required. Part of that is to make certain there are parts for the full season. | ||
| Scottorious |
HA, something tells me Court knows more than any of the rest of us by his two posts "cool" and "wow". I think we should drip water on his forehead until he spills his information! | ||
| Unique_id |
There is a video by onTheThrottle.tv that captured the super bike tire testing in Daytona from a couple of weeks ago and Geoff was interviewed on it (somewhere around 5 minutes in). He said Erik Buell Racing's goal was around 100 bikes to be made this year. | ||
| Panhead_dan |
I've been on this site for a long time. Water dripping on Court's forehead aint gonna work. He can be talky, however. Remind me to tell you sometime. | ||
| Court |
Wow | ||
| Bads1 |
Wow!!! 40k Court. Like I said...... Bimota Territory | ||
| Daves |
To get Court to talk you need refried beans and kringle |
