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Jaimec
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 - 01:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sportbikes just don't sell.
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?artic le=43099















A**hole...
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Buellerandy
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yes, he is a D-canoe. Good on the Beemers though.
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Swordsman
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sportbikes Harleys just don't sell.

Fixed!

~SM
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Sayitaintso
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm sure the decision regarding Buell was made with the best of intentions.

But then we know where the road paved with good intentions leads.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bikes as a whole are down, getting better, but still not good. As the article states, most manufactures are facing huge decreases in sales, BMW is one of the few.
So yeah, toa point he is right
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Doerman
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What i find interesting in all of this is that BMW has a winner by using the Japanese platform format.

By winner, I mean a winner for them. I would imagine that BMW S1000R numbers are small compared to GSXR numbers. But I don't know that.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What i find interesting in all of this is that BMW has a winner by using the Japanese platform format.

Even more interesting when Harley pushed back so hard on Buell when they wanted to build something more Japanese in nature, with fairings and all.
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Skinstains
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 - 11:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

HD sucks a bag of d*cks !!!





BFHN...
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Spatten1
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 on HD sucking the bag of dicks.
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Strong dealer support....."

HD dealers by and large treated Buell like crap. Worse, they treated customers and potential customers like crap.

Wandell FAILED to instill ANY kind of "Can Do" attitude into his people and dealers concerning the Buell line. Dealer owners by and large did not motivate their people to talk up and sell Buells. He was happy to let the line fail, and do away with it.

FKW!
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86129squids
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bump.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 01:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wandell is a timid loser, no leader, and he's taking the company with him.
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Oysterman
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 02:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WTH does BFHN & FKW mean???
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 02:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buell Forever, Harely Never?

F Keith Wandell?
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Jon
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 02:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Id this the man who wrecked Buell? I will always know that deep foolishness is present in the minds of HD because of that. What waste and needless mayhem.
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Koz5150
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The bikes are pretty boring and not finding much in the way of new customers and I know everyone here pretty much hates them. However, HD is a company about stock prices and profits these days.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/113319869.html

"On Friday, Harley shares hit a 52-week high of $37.16, up 73% from six months ago."
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Jaimec
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Those profits came from cost cutting, not increased sales. You can only cut costs so far before you have nothing left to cut but your own throat.

Of course, most of us here (Buell riders) think they've already cut their own throat.
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Rex
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A lot of dealers for HD are going under out there. A lot. Many just in the northern cal bay area.

Like it was mentioned, bike sales are down, and you can imagine, how much they are down in the 18,000 -25,000 dollar range like HD.

I understand how they want to get back to their core business and try to survive. But the way they handled the selling of MV Agusta and Buell is a shame.

They could have spun them off to another company, or sold them for more money than they got. MV Agusta was the big winner. How many times has he had someone to bale him out, put in cash to upgrade his factory and produce new models, then sell it back to him for a buck. smart business on his part, stupid on hd part.

And then to not sell Buell to another company. I think they probably got more from the tax write off, than what they could have made selling them. Just my point of view. Still too bad. They could have separated themselves from Buell and still got more money from it. and they would probably had better press.

I know they probably lost all of the Buell customer base by what they did. Hopefully they lost all of us and our business.
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Rex
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I hope Victory, Triumph, and BMW passes HD in business sales and profits. I would like to see Victory add some bikes to their line up, different than their cruisers. REX
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

HD still has my business....and most peoples - where do you plan to buy replacement stock pieces?

Besides that, i'd still buy a HD, they make a great product.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ps - i know that Erik Buell Racing offers some stock stuff, but for the tuber guys (which also includes myself), the dealer is the only place to get some of the gaskets and such
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Rpm4x4
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I dont think tuber gaskets and such are keeping HD in buisness
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Tpoppa
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good song!
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

kinda fitting for this thread... or at least I think


hind site is 20/20... I wish I knew then what I knew now...
I would have taken the opportunity to tell him why Buell should be sold and not shut down when I saw him standing in front of my local dealer right after he became CEO.... 20/20
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

but now I just feel like this....

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Skinstains
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Victory is the new "American Motorcycle Company". Those dim-wits in Milwaukee just don't know it yet. As for the HD stock being up so high...it's because they beat down all of the employees that they din't terminate...and they just finished counting all the money they made selling Chineese doo-dads and sweatshop "motor clothes" to the bikers for Christmas. I have no doubt that the stock will be drooping steadily for quite some time.

BFHN

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Dragonslayer
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Skinstains
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Damn Slayer, that is an awesome pic. Am I going to be the one who puts it on a T-shirt or is someone else on this board (with experience) working on it ?
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Skinstains
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I need that shirt now so that I can wear it to the IMS tomorrow !!!
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