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     Roadcouch98 |
From Maverick County(whatever Entity that may be) with one Enrollee , to CIGNA, with 265,000, the Exemptions are being revealed. If ObamaCare is such a good idea, then why are there 111 companies on the waiver list? That’s the question in this Fox News segment: GatewayPundit highlights the segment’s central charge: “The bottom line here is that they gave out waivers is an admission of guilt. Basically they’re saying, “You’re right. We screwed up.” That’s the bottom line here. They did not create a law that benefits all of us.” Further, GatewayPundit’s analysis of the 111 names (full list here) turns up some familiar names — like SEIU and other unions: #12– UFCW Allied Trade Health & Welfare Trust #14– IBEW No.915 #19– Asbestos Workers Local 53 Welfare Fund #33– Plumbers & Pipefitters Local 123 Welfare Fund #35– UFCW Local 227 #52– UFCW Maximus Local 455 #55– Local 25 SEIU #60– UFCW Local 1262 #78– Local 802 Musicians Health Fund #83– Local 17 Hospitality Benefit Fund #89– International Union of Painters and Allied Trades (IUPAT) #91– Transport Workers #92– UFT Welfare Fund (United Federation of Teachers) The New York Times: As Obama administration officials put into place some of the new rules that go into effect under the federal health care law, they are issuing more waivers to try to prevent some insurers and employers from dropping coverage and also promising to modify other rules because many of the existing policies would not meet new standards. Last month, federal officials granted dozens of one-year waivers that were aimed at sparing certain employers, including McDonald’s, insurers and unions who offer plans that sharply limit the coverage they provide. These limited-benefit plans, also known as “minimeds,” fail to comply with new rules phasing out limits on how much policies will provide in medical care each year. Concerned about the potential disruption that would be created by enforcing the new rules, the administration has granted dozens of additional waivers and also made clear that it would modify other rules affecting these policies. Last week, the Department of Health and Human Services issued more guidance, saying it would use a different method of calculating spending for these plans so they would be able to meet new regulations dictating how insurers should use the premium dollars they collect. Meantime, Michelle Malkin notes that “Soros monkeys” are attacking “Republican repeal mongers” like crazy: Even as the Obama administration concedes failure and continues to approve temporary repeals of the federal mandates to company after company after union after union. Here’s the “repeal monger” attack: Health Care for America Now executive director Ethan Rome says advocates must make it clear what repealing the law or its major provisions would really mean. “The law gets the insurance companies off the backs of the consumers,” he says. “The Republican repeal mongers want to give health care back to the insurance industry. That is what it boils down to.” Malkins conclusion: Guess we are all “repeal mongers” now, eh? http://www.hhs.gov/ociio/regulations/approved_appl ications_for_waiver.   (Message edited by roadcouch98 on November 15, 2010) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Wasn't "buried". People like me were screaming from the rooftops that they were in there. That was one of the buyoffs to get it passed. If you aren't at the table, you are on the menu. | ||
| Ourdee |
Why do I keep thinking of the book "Animal Farm"?: First, when you have breakfast, the cow and chicken are involved, the pig is committed. All animals are created equal. Some animals are just more equal than others. The UAW was in on the waiver program from the get-go. I am a UAW worker. I disagree with the uaw on far too many issues for me to ever feel comfortable with the 1% of my pay that they extort from me. uaw has their stab in the back coming in a year or two, if they don't get their waiver renewed. I try not to go off the deep end on the downfall of America, But for America's sake, that noise I hear from the back paster is Ray Charles screaming," I can see that from here"! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The aim was to make union recruitment easer. If the regular population has to schlep around with government healthcare, shoddy care and extended wait times and the union folks don't, do you think that will be a selling point for union membership? Add in card check (more than likely dead now), and the goal here is quite clear. The goal isn't to make the majority of the population "union" for the sake of the worker. The goal is to make the majority of the population "union" to create a controllable voter block. If you want to get work, you'll attend this rally. If you want to get work, you'll support this referendum. If you want to get work, you'll vote for the candidate we support. Add to that the fact that the unions like SEIU, UAW, AFL-CIO divert hundreds of millions to election campaigns each year and you get the idea. The good of the worker is the least thing on the minds of these folks. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
You want to work, you must be a member of the party, get an appointment (paid by a bribe, or granted due to nepotism), get a voucher for the position, wait for the work that requires said voucher to grant 'work' Until then, you are not able to seek work elsewhere, you are not able to move, nor are you able to 'work' for a non party entity. Welcome Comrade to the USSA Later we will talk about how dissent to the Party is answered with a bullet to the head, exile to a work camp, bulldozing of your house while you are in it. Want to know what Obama 2010 is up to? Read Lenin 1921. | ||
| Buellkowski |
If ObamaCare is such a good idea, then why are there 111 companies on the waiver list? So that people with certain types limited-benefit health care plans don't lose their coverage next year. This is a one-year "transistion" waiver, necessary because some insurers & employers haven't sorted out how to provide minimum coverage levels yet. The list, including McDonald's and Jack in the Box, is far more extensive than the union locals cited above. The current crop of waivers affects about 1.2 million US workers. Given that there are about 150 million workers in this country, the waivers apply to less than 1% of the US workforce. Still feels like a grand union conspiracy and "admission of guilt" to you? Then you're reading the wrong blogs, IMO. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The union deal isn't just a "one year exemption" (that was intended to be extended on a year to year basis provided unions continued to support candidates and policies as directed). Unions were also exempted from paying the 40% excise tax on "Cadillac plans" until 2018 (with a provision for extension of this exemption possible after that). The exemption totaled at least $60B (more after health care companies are forced to increase the costs of benefit plans to accommodate the inability to prevent existing sick people from entering the risk pool). http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/unions_get_p ecial_treatment_in_health_AB053CwqPIJlIxXAm37DOM The mid-term elections threw a bit of a monkey wrench into the plans since most who supported the bill and were required for these waiver and exemption extensions were shown the door. The listing is just of companies who have been granted waivers. That list isn't complete by a long shot. Between the waivers and the additional 40% in cost savings enjoyed by the unions NOT granted to ordinary citizens or companies, I'd say that's enough to warrant at least a little whiff of conspiracy regardless of the blog in question. | ||
| Kc10_fe |
My union health benefits are negotiated between the signatory companies and the international. Thats medical, dental, vision and a drug plan. In total thats 27,000 members plus the families. The employer pays 9 bucks an hour towards health care in addition to other fringe benefits. For a family of four we have a $1200 annual deductible. I dont want anything to do with Obamas medicare bonanza. All this union recruitment chit is just funny guys. There is little/no •••••••• work to be had by either union or non union right now. A union cant afford to recruit and bring in new people with thousands of people already out of work. That drains the benifits funds and put more people out of work longer. OK back to regular programming. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It's not about the work anymore. If you are not working, are you still a union member? Do you still pay union dues? Just asking. | ||
| Dalton_gang |
"If you are not working, are you still a union member? Yes, If you pay the dues. I recently spoke to an ibew member who hasn't worked in over 19 months but he continues to pay his dues so he can remain on the hiring list. I think he was still around 100 hires away from being called. | ||
| Kc10_fe |
With no work there is no union. No working capital equals no paying into pensions, education, pin point funds to win future union work and it goes on and on. Non skilled labor is probably different. If you are out of work you are still a member. Yes you have to pay dues. Full dues the first qtr and then out of work dues. Your medical benefits/drug plan are covered for a year. Dental and vision for 90 days. Do you know the price difference between union and non union bids? Its usually exactly the same. The non union outfit does not pay into an retirement fund, annuity or 401 for its workers. They sure as hell dont see our medical benefits. The companies dont supply work vans with ez pass and fuel cards or supply power tools. Non union outfits dont have the 4+ year apprenticeship where you know your people know whats up without butchering the hell out of the work. Im not totally against non union because I know once the state inspects the work Im going to be paid overtime to make it correct and nice nice. The bids are almost identical except the non union company pays about 11 bucks less an hour to its employees and pockets that as profit. Almost no fringe to pay so they pocket that as well. | ||
| Dalton_gang |
"The employer pays 9 bucks an hour towards health care" I always thought it was crazy how most of the unions charge each member the same amount of money for for insurance. A 22 year old single male cost a lot less than a married 35 year old with 5 kids yet the contributions are the same in most cases. Where does the extra money go that is not spent on the lower risk members? | ||
| Dalton_gang |
"Do you know the price difference between union and non union bids? Its usually exactly the same. The non union outfit does not pay into an retirement fund, annuity or 401 for its workers. They sure as hell dont see our medical benefits. The companies dont supply work vans with ez pass and fuel cards or supply power tools. Non union outfits dont have the 4+ year apprenticeship where you know your people know whats up without butchering the hell out of the work. Im not totally against non union because I know once the state inspects the work Im going to be paid overtime to make it correct and nice nice. The bids are almost identical except the non union company pays about 11 bucks less an hour to its employees and pockets that as profit. Almost no fringe to pay so they pocket that as well." Where do you come up with all this FALSE information?? | ||
| Kc10_fe |
It goes to take care of the 65+ year old members who smoked for 40 years, drank for 50 years and inhaled asbestos for lunch. | ||
| Kc10_fe |
Nothing about that is false. A current project here is approx $100mil. $9 mil of that cost will be elevators. 16 companies have bid and they are all within +- $500k including non union outfits. Everyone knows a low ball chaser is a fool. I can save you $500k on paper by figuring 3 work crews instead of 5. It might take weeks longer but you didn’t want to finish and open early did you? I can purchase non proprietary equipment that’s slightly better than cheap junk and save you more because like everything else in life you get what you pay for. Sure we can bid $900K less but we might have forgotten something. I work for a rather large company with 50,000 employees worldwide. We manufacture our own equipment. Our overhead is of course huge. Our capabilities however are unrivaled. So profit margins fluctuate however everyone is still bidding in the same ballpark. | ||
| Dalton_gang |
Kc10_fe, The statement of yours that I quoted must be regarding a specific company that you personally have experience with. Otherwise your claims there are laughable and insulting to those of us who know better. |
