| Author | Message | ||
     Reindog |
The Tinglers often denounce O'Reilly but I suspect many have never bothered to even watch him as George Soros, MoveOn, and Media Matters denounce having an open mind. His show regularly gives the spotlight to the Left such as Al Sharpton, Code Pink, Marc Lamont Hill, Colmes, Obama, etc. He is a bit of a blowhard but O'Reilly is eminently watchable. Juan Williams is Born Again Hard. It is a liberating experience to cast away the shackles of Liberalism...I mean Progressivism....I mean Socialism. | ||
| Sifo |
If the black population were to ever cast off the liberal shackles it would be a game changer. I wonder if they will recognize Juan as one of there own. I have my doubts. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Iamarchangel... in all seriousness, from your understanding of the market crash you got from NPR, can you answer the following questions? 1) Significantly before the market crash, which political party was alleging serious accounting fraud within Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac? 2) Which parties has a current prominent leader that personaly attacked the auditor saying there were serious accounting irregularities, and declared that even if Fannie Mae or Freddy Mac did crash, the federal government won't bail them out? 3) Which party has a current prominent leader that had a romantic relationship with an executive from Fannie Mae during the times he was fighting tooth and nail to have the audits stopped and the results buried? 4) The executive at Fannie Mae / Freddy Mac that was cooking to books such that the numbers worked out (almost to the penny) such that he qualified for a HUGE "performance bonus" for his leadership... what party is he vocally affiliated with? There was plenty of guilt for both parties in this whole mess, believe me. But if NPR failed to inform you of the role of Barney Frank and the Democratic party... Bush and other Republicans were worried and trying to prevent the meltdown (though a lot of damage was already done at that point). I like NPR's depth and tone. I hate the fact that their bias is taxpayer funded. I would have no beef at all with their bias if they paid their own way. I don't believe news that is well done and impartial is possible. You have to have passion for what you do, and if you have that, you aren't unbiased. I'm looking for a diversity of passion... I don't want some left leaning liberal trying to explain to me why the tea party has emerged and what their mission is, let a right leaning libertarian do that. Nor would I want a hard conservative explaining to me the Democratic agenda for 2011. Be honest about your biases, try and be as fair and accurate as you can, and make your point. I'll listen to both sides and decide where I fall. | ||
| Sifo |
I think Juan really may have seen the light. Gets good at about 3:50. | ||
| Sifo |
I would have no beef at all with their bias if they paid their own way. +1 Defund Fox News first. +1 Now that that's done it's time to defund NPR! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Now that it appears that Williams has "got religion" and had the veil lifted, I suspect that the black liberal establishment will work tirelessly to paint him as an Uncle Tom or oreo. Black conservatives are NEVER black enough. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Reepicheep: sorry, and respectfully, as an outsider all your questions are irrelevant to me since, basically, the problem originates with core US philosophy. Not saying that philosophy is a bad thing in itself. The checks and balances are your internal (aka, the voter's) choices. We live in a nanny state. Our last government expressly blocked this kind of activity. Our present government is taking the credit. Isn't democracy wonderful? | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
The democratic party has done so much for the black community. Any day now we should start to hear about proportional incarceration statistics relative to other race groups. Any day now. | ||
| Sifo |
Reepicheep: sorry, and respectfully, as an outsider all your questions are irrelevant to me since, basically, the problem originates with core US philosophy. I take it that NPR didn't cover any of the issues that Reep asked about. Not surprised. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
If anything, the real value of all of this is in bringing some of the last vestiges of covert or semi-covert progressivism out into the open. Want to be openly liberal, be my guest. We just have to politely pull your head out of the public trough. If your programming is really that good, you should have no problems staying afloat. Worked for Air America. | ||
| Kenm123t |
You are witnessing the death throes of liberalism. They have soiled their homes to the point they cannot survive. Note thier behaviour turning on each other like dying trapped animals. The intellectual bankruptcy of the left has Rev Wright puts it come home to roost. Juan Williams has realized whom he defended and promoted lied about thier real motives and values. A person with values can reach agreements and work for common goals. In many issues liberals and conservitives want the same thing but differ in approaches. As Juan discovered liberals have been infiltrated by evil. Juan understands what many of us have known for years the left is mostly evil . NPR is supporting hate filled death cult called Islam. Intresting when the very people that defend it would be the first stoned or put to death. Is it cowardice in the face of evil or are they just that stupid. In germany the burgermeisters sold out thier townspeople so they could make a Faustion deal to get away. They still ended up in the camps just a little further down the list. The NPR ceo that fired Juan Williams revealed her true evil nature in her comments. NPR should be defunded for being evil. They great they helped me with this that etc. A large dog can be a faithfull friend and companion until he contracts rabies. NPR is rabid and hate filled they blame the Tea party people with hateful. As was said by Jesus they speak of the speck in your eye but miss he log in thier own. Ever notice when some one places blame its usually for something they have done or are doing | ||
| Court |
Well put. The rock of stupidity is beginning to roll backward over the idiots who have been trying to push it up the hill. | ||
| Britchri10 |
Liberal =Sisyphus? It's all Greek to me.... | ||
| Kenm123t |
Gee I need readers too many typos | ||
| Pwnzor |
Worked for Air America.  | ||
| Strokizator |
Only 2% of there funding is from the gov. I think they will be just fine. Something doesn't add up. If the $435 million they get from the feds accounts for just 2% of their budget are you telling me their budget for FY2010 is really $21.75 BILLION? I ain't buying it. I don't doubt the numbers given for the gov't handout but I'm guessing it represents a huge portion of their budget, not just pocket change. | ||
| Zane |
I think the number is closer to the 10% mark. | ||
| Sayitaintso |
i normally keep quiet in relation to these type threads. But I do read through them, agreeing here and disagreeing there with both the conservative and liberal sides of the discussions. I've listened to NPR for a long time on the commute to and from work. I've liked Juan Williams and disagreed with his firing b/c he's entilted to his own opinion and should be able to say what he wants when not working as one of the "voices of NPR". Just like "Click and Clack", Diane Rheem, Daniel Shore, or anyone else thats ever been on the station. I also think NPR should be defunded, but not b/c of the BS about Juan William, rather because I dont think the US gov't should be funding broadcasting..... period. That said I thought this was a good article about the whole "mess" http://www.slate.com/id/2271931/ (Message edited by SayItAintSo on October 25, 2010) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Political correctness run amuck Cookie Monster has to limit his cookie intake because he might get fat or diabetes Oscar the Grouch, no longer allowed to be 'Grouchy' because it is 'mean' and bullying Snuffalufagous as a great GLBT icon and how he has valiantly come out of the closet and clear view Ernie will no longer be allowed to sit in the tub and sing Rubber Ducky because children may ask about being 'naked' Elmo - the fact that he exists at all As goes Sesame Street so goes the world. So g-damn sick of political correctness. | ||
| Jrfitzny |
Greg Gutfield's argument to keep funding NPR: "We need them around to remind ourselves what subsidized failure looks like." http://www.dailygut.com/ | ||
| Hootowl |
Greg Gutfeld for president. Actually, he has too many skeletons in his closet. Literally. | ||
| Court |
>>> rather because I dont think the US gov't should be funding broadcasting..... period. I agree but wrote the NPR Ombudsman a letter explaining why I'd no longer be making contributions to my local PBS station and how ashamed they should be at the way that gal represented them. If I did that in a private company I'd be sued out of business. I suspect Juan's legal team has something along those lines in mind for them. There are programs I've enjoyed. If they has the "moxy" they'll be picked up by "for profit" ventures. | ||
| Davegess |
First off NPR provide the absolute best and and most even handed coverage of US and world wide news period. Nobody else is providing the kind of in depth reportage on our troops and vets that NPR provides. Who else is devoting major time to vets with concussions? I hear more viewpoints from more different parts of the spectrum on "All Thing considered" than anywhere else. Second Williams was a REPORTER not a COMMENTATOR. He is entitled to an opinion BUT he is not supposed to be publicly expressing opinions that would reflect a bias in a news story. Third NPR could have moved a little slower and gotten rid on him in a quieter way but they certainly did the right thing by requiring a reporter to act like a reporter and not a commentator. Daniel shore is a commentator and is paid to give opinions. A report is paid to report the news not comment on it. | ||
| Buelltours |
+1 Dave. But then I am from a country which subsidizes their main TV and Radio stations too. Since I live in the US (10 years now) do I enjoy NPR and PBS for their broad coverage. I also enjoy the fact that there are no commercial breaks every 5 minutes. The only thing I don't like is the fact that whenever I contribute out of my pocket I get 10 letters over the next 12 months asking for more. That bothers me, they should use my money a little wiser. But then Habitat for Humanity does the same. I stopped contributing. I would hate for NPR to go away! | ||
| Sayitaintso |
Dave, I agree NPR has the most in-depth coverage of stories they tackle, and thats why I listen to it. But the line between commentator and reporter is a very grey one. Take for example their discussion of the "Delaware Race". Robert Siegel described Christine O'Donnal as the daughter of an actor that once played Bozo the Clown and her opponent as an Ivy League educated, highly successful attorney. (I think she's a clown but thats another discussion). Thats as bad or worse than what Juan did.... and he did it on NPR, not as art of any secondary employment. You are right they should have quietly let him go (if they were going to, which I dont think they should have), no explanation given, he was an at will employee for all intents and purposes. She really screwed the pooch on that one and should probably get the axe for it.....quitely and without explanation. Court; don't pull your support, there are too many other good shows......give them a chance to fire the right bone head, the right way. | ||
| Rwven |
Wrong Dave, Juan was an analyst not a reporter. An analyst's job is to describe the factors in a story and how they relate to the whole. That's exactly what he was doing on O'Rielly's show. Even so, there are other actual reporters on NPR who offer opinion all the time. The difference is they offer opinion that NPR sanctions and they don't do it on Fox. NPR should be de-funded by the government and Juan's lawyers should de-fund them some more. | ||
| Sifo |
You are right they should have quietly let him go (if they were going to, which I dont think they should have), no explanation given, he was an at will employee for all intents and purposes. I'm not sure if "at will" describes his employment at NPR. It's my understanding he was under contract. It's also my understanding his contract was up this spring anyway. They should have simply and quietly not renewed his contract. If I did that in a private company I'd be sued out of business. I suspect Juan's legal team has something along those lines in mind for them. Don't you have to be able to show damages? He was working the next day for higher pay at FOX. I'd like to be damaged like that!  That's a joke of course, I think he has a great case, especially after the psychiatrist crack they made. While NPR provides great in depth coverage on the stories they do, it's the stories they ignore that shows their bias. I've always hated the tone of most of their reports though. Almost a whispery, around the campfire, let me tell you a scary story kids, kind of tone. At least that's how I remember it from years back when I used to listen to NPR. I just couldn't take it any more. | ||
| Court |
I suspect that both Vivian Schiller and Alicia Shepard will disappear much less publicly. I enjoyed Shepard's observation . .
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| Court |
By the way . . I hope NPR survives . . . but public funding is ridiculous use of tax money. Oh . . wait . . we also own banks and a couple car companies. Never mind.  | ||
| Sayitaintso |
Sifo, you're right he was under contract but my understanding is that "entertainment" contracts are much like NFL contracts in that they can and are broken at the whim of the employer. You also hit on what I was alluding to but didn't want to muddy up the waters with. They ignore some stories that I think are important. Another thing that gets on my nerves is that they seem to cover Israel more than anything else on the planet by a long shot. Hell it sometimes seem like they cover Israeli national politics more than our own. I'd be willing to bet they cover Israel 10-1 over all Europe combined. I dont have anything against Israel o the Jewish but its not the only country that matters in the world. |
