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     Sifo |
I this what we were lead to believe "Bending the cost curve was supposed to be? http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local-beat/Heal th-Care-Reform-Blamed-for-Huge-Hike-in-Premiums-10 5041674.html
Any politician that voted for this turd needs to be voted out ASAP! | ||
| Prof_stack |
WA state Regence Blue Shield rates will double or triple next year for some classes of insurers. Thank you Obama. Not. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
The day is coming when you go to work to buy food and insurance ...with nothing left over. This crap is going to kick start something BAD.............no disposable income for the "working man". | ||
| Cataract2 |
Well, so many on here voted for the *** **** in charge. Hope you like the change you got. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
What do you expect from a crew that did not READ it. It will get worse, in so many ways. When plans cant get to the 85/15 care vs admin payouts and they start to get fined per enrollee.... yep, commercial insurance in this country is done. On a happy note, the judge in florida allowed the class action lawsuit from 21 AG's to go to the next level. And anything you have heard about Health Care Reform, understand that it is only the expansion of MedicAID in all of its wonderful forms and deliveries. It is not better, it is only bigger and more intrusive. Enjoy the Hype and Chains | ||
| Drfudd |
my health insurance went up a dollar a week because of obama care, i ain't complaining because of all the extra benefits i get from that extra dollar | ||
| Buellerandy |
Fudd, I doubt anyone could complain if that was EVERYONE's case. I agree, that is a rather nice ratio  . | ||
| Davegess |
Of course our health insurance premiums haven't gone up at all over the last 20 years, flat as a pancake. And the number of people with no insurance at all has been going down. Oh yeah things used to be perfect BEFORE Obama took office  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Dr Fudd, there are no new benefits for that dollar for you, unless you have a 18-26 year old that is moving to your plan. The denial for preexisting conditions is gone, but if you have a current plan, that is a none issue. None of the generic benefits for the 'working' enrollee kick in until 2014. So that dollar that you got raised (par it out over the entire enrollee base; was for indeed nothing) And remember, your insurance will be forced to not be able to change its rates, deductibles, copays, drug formulary, Co-insurance rate after 2014 for FIVE years. It is why there is preemptive rate raising now. If you like the plan you have you can keep it....(not if they aint in business any more) | ||
| Ezblast |
Blue Cross said the same thing last year when they raised rates - so thats just an industry using a political situation for gain - they are famous for it. EZ | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Nope, its in the bill. Pg 16, Sec 102, (1) Lines 21-27, Pg 17, Sec 102, (3) Lines 1-7 Put it to you this way, if you knew that you were not going to get a pay raise for five years after Jan 1, 2014; would you not try and maximize that number to offset future losses and predicted cost increases? why would you expect an insurance company to do any different? And if they cant make a profit (3-6% typically) they wont offer the coverage. Which is why you see several plans already dropping the coverage, opting out of the market. I have seen this in Washington State; and all the abysmal results ahead of the nation, have already happened to Washington when Debra Senn came through and skinned the medical/insurance/HMO segments. We are now 36th in the nation for quality, delivery of service, and 42 worse for patient satisfaction; 15 years after 'Reform' enjoy the Hype and Chains. Read the bill, you know your legislator didnt. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi ?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf | ||
| Aesquire |
It depends on your prejudice. If you were ( and you soon won't be ) for the takeover, it is a terrible example of the jerks in D.C. lying to you. The Pelosi bill started off as a prewritten takeover plan, with the goal, as verified by the Dems, to wreck the insurance companies, and make everyone pay taxes for everyone's insurance. ( single payer = tax paid health insurance. Period )The takeover bill was sitting in a drawer just waiting for the time when a proper Neo-com got in power and they could get it passed.... But it didn't work that way. They took massive bribes from the Insurance companies, and the result will neither make your insurance more affordable, or better. The eeevil Insurance companies got it twisted so they can make lots more money off you, until they quit covering you and leave you to a really bad, and broke, medicaid system. How? They have a few years to soak you and then, when the math no longer makes it possible for them to pull a profit, they dump the health insurance divisions, fire the workers, and absorb the favored execs into other branches. bet they get a break on taxes too, when ( not if ) that happens. Also None of the people the Prez. keeps lying to you about now being covered, are, yet. Not very much "good" is going to happen until after the next Presidential elections, and the benefits you were promised don't kick in until after 2013. That's for 2 reasons. One. That let them fake the numbers, so that the money taken in taxes from you over then next few years pretends to pay for the 2014 "benefits". ( You KNOW that's not really going to happen, if they have the money they WILL spend it. Heck, they spend it when they don't ... like 1.3++ Trillion just last year ) Two. by delaying the results of Pelosicare until after the election, they won't get blamed for it in time to keep them from getting re-elected. -------------------------------------- If you were against the takeover, The Insurance companies got things twisted so they can grab a bunch of cash up front, and then dump the whole mess onto your backs when health insurance is only available from the Government, just like student loans are now. I think the term is Fascist. I have a hard time telling the difference between State Ownership of The Means Of Production, and a dictatorial executive ordering companies what to do. I know there is one, but none of the progressive neo-coms ever will answer questions about that. Because their ideology is based on lies. Take your pick. That's what happened. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Yep, it is why I got out of health care when it happened in Washington. This time through, I am not working for a healthcare entity; I iz self employed And I can relocate at notice, outsource myself. I get paid either way. with the status quo, the average enrollee doesnt understand their plan, benefits, payment, insurance paperwork, and the red tape. With the new reform, the providers, insureres, patients, hell government agencies dont understand the Bill..... because they havent READ it. Took me a month to do it, but I did indeed read it; and it is a mess. there is a reason none of the Dems are running on it. | ||
| Rainman |
No law should be passed that cannot be explained in 10 pages or less. The banking bill is every bit as long and you know it's going to hurt the little guy far more than the big. It's the big guys who write the laws. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
"Bending the Curve" This is an international bike forum, & for bikes that handle too. So I'm thinking, tyres? suspension stuff? riding technique? Nope, just another political thread.  I know it's been said before, but please do us all a favour, if you're posting a thread with political content, for f***s sake put some sort of indicator in the title please. That way those of us who aren't concerned, or who just couldn't give a rat's ass any which way, can skim right on by to the the stuff that interests us. I thank you for your attention.  | ||
| Sifo |
my health insurance went up a dollar a week because of obama care, i ain't complaining because of all the extra benefits i get from that extra dollar Nick, I have a couple of questions if you would be kind enough to answer. Are you on group insurance from an employer? If so how much of the increase has your employer picked up? When did this increase go into effect? If it was earlier this year it probably wasn't due to BOcare. Companies are just now getting an understanding of what the costs of this legislation will be in the next few years. This is an international bike forum, & for bikes that handle too. So I'm thinking, tyres? suspension stuff? riding technique? Nope, just another political thread. Why is this complaint never made about threads that are about music, roofing, windows, cars, computers, religion, personal stories, stupid YouTube clips, haunted houses, I-phones, food, non-MC sports, etc. This is the area set aside for these sorts of discussions in this forum. Stop your cryin'.  | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Why is this complaint never made about threads that are about music, roofing, windows, cars, computers, religion, personal stories, stupid YouTube clips, haunted houses, I-phones, food, non-MC sports, etc. This is the area set aside for these sorts of discussions in this forum. Stop your cryin'. For the very good reason that by & large, A CLUE TO THE SUBJECT FEATURES IN THE THREAD TITLE. Which is kinda my point. Yes you're right this is the area set aside for these subjects, so why is it so hard to accept that many here have no interest in US politics & would appreciate some sort of forewarning? I tried to point this out in a lighthearted way. I've been perfectly calm, rational & polite about this, just showing how I (& I suspect many others) view things. You seem to have reacted by taking it as a personal affront, which it was not meant to be. Maybe the phrase "Bending the Curve" is in current use in the US media, I have no way of knowing. Have a nice day. | ||
| Sifo |
For the very good reason that by & large, A CLUE TO THE SUBJECT FEATURES IN THE THREAD TITLE. Which is kinda my point. BO used the phrase bending the cost curve of health insurance down in pushing BOcare. That was a hint. Now that you know this is a thread that you don't want to read, why don't you simply do exactly that. How many threads don't have explicit titles that no one complains about? ONLY political threads. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
It would be impolite of me to leave in the middle of a conversation so I'll stay til it's finished. Thank you for explaining about the thread title, If you'd done just that instead of getting on your high horse we could have avoided all this unpleasantness. So that's it, I'm done with this thread, you can now safely poke as much fun & insult at me as you like, safe in the knowledge that I'll not be responding here. Have a really nice day, I mean it. | ||
| Sifo |
One more thing, in Nick's situation where his cost has only gone up a buck a week (probably more if it's an employer's group plan), this doesn't include the unseen cost of additional tax money going towards health care. BO promised to bend the curve down for the total cost. This was complete BS of course, and we are now seeing the proof that it was BS. The real costs of BOcare wont even be felt for a few more years though. How long before we start down the path the Greeks are looking at right now, where rather than treat the complications of diabetes they are simply going with amputation to save costs. This is what happens when you give government control over an issue like this. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Title vs Content. This is exactly what the debate is. Of course if you are just looking at it; "Affordable Care Act HB 3200" well who would vote against reforming health care, look at its abysmal state its in...... of course if you had read the bill you would know it is full of bunk. Not even going to touch what they have done with " Financial Reform" "Environmental Protection" "Consumer Protection" "Education" Candidate X voted against Financial Reform, he hates the little guy, Against the Environment Protection measures, he hates the Earth, against Consumer Protection, he is not out for your best interests, and Education; he wants the rest of the world to be better because he hates your kids' brought to you by they truth in hyberpole committee agency with coordination with the agenda for prosperity. yep. Theres usually more to the discussion than the title, and that is in every thread; its one of the reasons I enjoy coming here. Threads are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are really gonna get | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
What a giant mamby pamby you are grumpy. I bet you wear a helmet when you sit on the toilet to pee. | ||
| Buellkowski |
From my employer's recent announcement of a 14% rate hike from our insurer for 2011: "The healthcare changes have created much uncertainty in the medical industry. As a result, the industry is continuing to apply double-digit increases to maintain current employees' medical plans and to manage anticipated costs affecting companies throughout the United States." +1 Ezblast. I'd say that the Republicans' threats to repeal the legislation has a lot to do with the "uncertainty" the insurance companies are feeling. They're just padding their pockets pre-emptively, letting us know who's the boss. | ||
| Sifo |
I'd say that the Republicans' threats to repeal the legislation has a lot to do with the "uncertainty" the insurance companies are feeling. They're just padding their pockets pre-emptively, letting us know who's the boss. No doubt that adds to the uncertainty. The uncertainty that they may actually have an environment where they can stay in business. Under the new plan it's almost certain that they will be driven out of business by government regulations and unfair "competition" from government plans. It's humorous in a very sad sort of way to see people blame business for rising costs when the government is passing legislation that will require costs go up. This was discussed at length during the health care debate. We were told the additional costs would be covered by savings in reducing waste and fraud in medicare. How's that promise coming along? Seriously, I'd like to here exactly what our leaders are doing on this front. This is some of the most anti-business legislation I've ever seen in my lifetime. The writing is on the wall. All you have to do is look to Greece right now to see our future. Yes, it's cheaper to amputate than to treat. Thanks a lot! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
the savings from fraud is virtual at best. Because the feds are set up to reactively prosecute, and not technologically proactively mitigate. There have been a few headlines lately about busting fraud rings.... but you are not getting any of that money back, because you have to go to court, sell off assests once that they are leined,... and that money will go back to the general fund, not to the operating budget of CMS. The best you can hope for is that the headlines and the arrests are detering the next criminals from getting involved in crime. Ask the DEA how that has been working for the illegal drug trade, or the FBI/DHS and their efforts agains Terrorism, or DHS and their 'Border Security' efforts. You aint stopping it, you aint getting any money back from it. Of course none of the crew that passed the bill, read the bill. Armenian Medicare Fraud Ring charged with 162 Million scam: http://www.armtown.com/news/en/htq/20101014/201010 142/ Walgreens pays $9.9 million to settle Medicaid Fraud Lawsuit http://www.pharmacyfraudwhistleblowers.com/walgree ns/ Medicare Fraud Arrests Underway, Involving 94 Medical Professionals http://www.huliq.com/10017/medicare-fraud-arrests- underway-involving-94-medical-professionals | ||
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| Blake |
Who is John Galt? | ||
| Reindog |
After Jan 1, you will no longer be able to submit FSA claims for OTC medications. For us, this means Prilosec, aspirin (to keep my blood thin), Claritan, contact lens solutions,etc. This adds up to several hundred extra dollars out of the Reindog compound. However, one can get an exemption by having your doctor write out a prescription or a letter of medical necessity so that they can be covered. Congress has simply added to the bureaucracy of medical care and tied up part of a doctor's labor. There could come a day where the actions of this Congress could be deemed treason. These SOBs didn't even read the bill they voted on. I view that as nothing short of criminal. The Day is coming. And the Tinglers still haven't woken up and continue to support this insanity. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I have said it before, it bares repeating At what point does signing and passing a bill without reading it, in full resistance to public opinion, become Taxation without Representation? | ||
| Blake |
Such "representatives" are nothing more than lackies dutifully following the commands of their collectivist leadership, the looters and moochers of American businesses. Aye Tom? What name have the collectivists given to their panel of "experts" set to oversee the newly expanded gov't run health insurance program? By whatever name, it is pure evil. |
