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     Reducati |
"  Really bad people will always manage to find their way into just about any career, just ask the Pope. " | ||
| Doughnut |
Plus the fact that most encounters with Officers are by nature negative. You never call the Police because you are having a good day. Most are at least a traffic stop or much worse. Most who really know me know that I am actually pretty meek. I put my foot down when it needs but am not looking to prove my manhood (I don't have to  ). Maybe I am an exception, but the constent cop bashing and hate does take a toll. I have never really had a good experience with an insurance agent but I don't hate them all. Back to the vid, yes, they seem over board. I won't say were because I don't know all the facts. But there would need to be a real reason for me to agree with what I have seen so far. | ||
| Doughnut |
And for the record I did not see the bike get knocked down in this video. (the Day Shift had a review of this video for roll call) | ||
| Hootowl |
Nor did I. He was standing upright when the officers took him to the ground. We don't see what his actions were after that, only those of the officers. I've said it before, I tend to give the police the benefit of the doubt. I already know the guy running from the cops is a douche. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
being a douche for a few minutes without actually hurting anyone doesnt mean he actually deserves a beating. that mentality is insane | ||
| Rah7777777 |
I'm not a cop.... Honestly my balls are too small! But I do work with police everyday. I know a ton of cops. I know there are bad apples out there! Now, I do think some cities are more corrupt then others. I'd like to think the majority of the cops I deal with at work ( sub city of Dallas ) are good cops. But honestly you never know until shit hits the fan. My point was our judicial system sucks and I'm glad to see some force used! It's 100% obvious this guy was running. So I fully agree with beating his ass! If there was no camera footage of him, I would be hesitant to agree with the ass whooping though. At that point it's too easy for a bad apple to make up BS on paper. But if there is hard proof..( such as video ) then beat that dumb ass!!!! I bet he'll think twice about it next time. | ||
| Hootowl |
"being a douche for a few minutes without actually hurting anyone doesnt mean he actually deserves a beating. that mentality is insane" Can you tell from the video whether he is fighting with the cop who just knocked him to the ground? I can't. I can't see him at all. All I see are two police officers struggling with a suspect who just led them on a high speed chase running stop signs and lights and putting innocent people at risk. The officers strike him several times in doing so. For all we know he was pulling a knife. Until we know otherwise, I'll reserve judgment. I tend to give the cops the benefit of the doubt vs. the douche. | ||
| Hootowl |
""being a douche for a few minutes without actually hurting anyone doesnt mean he actually deserves a beating. that mentality is insane" If he had hurt someone, would he deserve a beating? Note that I have not said he deserved what he got. I don't know what he deserves. I don't know what he did, and I don't know what he was doing on the ground out of view of the camera. Neither does anyone else here. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I don't know what he was doing on the ground out of view of the camera. Yeah, he was eating that police baton. Some of you guys are so blind....even when it's on videotape you are in a state of denial. Open your eyes! I am not a fan of the guy on the bike at all. However, like it's been stated he has rights like every US citizen and these cops way overstepped their bounds. At least it's on camera so these guys and their cohorts couldn't sweep it under the rug. | ||
| Hootowl |
"Yeah, he was eating that police baton. " What else was he doing? Pulling a knife? A gun? Trying to punch the cop? You don't know, and I don't know either. I just think it's real easy to blame the cop. I'll reserve judgment. I tend to give the cops the benefit of the doubt vs. the douche. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
What else was he doing? Pulling a knife? A gun? Trying to punch the cop? You don't know, and I don't know either. I just think it's real easy to blame the cop. Considering one of his own ratted him out and he has already been fired, I think we know the answer to your questions. The best part is the citizens of Dallas get to pay this idiot biker a large sum of money in the near future! And the bonehead ex-cop who caused the entire incident walks away! | ||
| Superdavetfft |
OK first we have to admit the rider was an idiot, that's just a given... The debate is over the reaction of the cops and that's where the line is crossed. Cops are NOT allowed to use BS excuses anymore than a suspect would be. Are we really supposed to believe that whoopin' was a legitimate struggle with a combative suspect? All we see is batons going up and down, with much vigor I might add. There's no excuse for that... If he was trying to run or resist further then why not pull a tazer and put him down quick and easy? The reason is simple, these overzealous cops (in their adrenaline filled state) decided to tech this guy a lesson the hard way. There's no question, the cops should be off the force permanently and without any chance of reinstatement, period. If they'll go off and beat some guy who's to say they won't do it again? Especially if the next idiot DOES hurt somebody, then would they shoot the guy? How far would it go? Point is I don't want to find out, so those cops need to go... Cops make a choice how to handle the situation just like the idiot on the bike. In this case everybody made the wrong choice but that doesn't make it all magically better. superdave | ||
| Doughnut |
NOT defending the Officers but I know mine is fast to fire and suspend for political reasons. I work with a few have been let go and the brought back after everthing came to light. Again, I am not defending them because it does look bad. But those videos can look bad without all the info. I have been there as well. | ||
| Doughnut |
If he was trying to run or resist further then why not pull a tazer and put him down quick and easy? Too much tv. At least where I am, there is a better then not chance that there is not a Taser Officer within our 15+ square mile area. Tasers are not that common, at least as I have seen here and other local Departments. Me, I want to know what history they may have know about this subject. I have stopped known subjects on/in a vehicle and been a bit more agressive with them due to me knowing past issues, warrants, tendencies. If this is what it seems on the bare surface I agree the Officers were off. But I don't have all the facts yet. The same way I don't jump on someone just because another tells me they did something. I gather more info. first. I feel like I need to keep saying I am not defending them, but wanting more info. | ||
| Doughnut |
On a side note one of my fond memories from work is when I transported 2 females to the Criminal Justice Facility (as the wagon) and a male prisoner there before us started "gunning" me and giving me shit, my 2 prisoners jumping off the bench to defend me. There are good people arrested too. Being arrested does not automaticly make someone bad. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
specially if the next idiot DOES hurt somebody, then would they shoot the guy? That reminds me of that poor SOB who got shot by that coward Officer White in the back while still on the bike. Scariest thing about that one is there were a few (3?) jurors who actually had to be convinced by the rest of the jury to find that cop GUILTY!~ | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I saw this on the news, they showed video shots of the chase then the 2 officers Subdue'd the guy... hmmm 4 hits with baton, 2 kidney shots for resisting (as he was trying to cuff him) I found myself waiting and waiting and waiting to see a beating but it never came. "THAT" is brutality? WTF. LAME. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
These officers over reacted. They were disciplined for it. Did they use excessive force? Dunno. It appeared so from the video. Unfortunately, we can't see what the perpetrator is doing. In the absence of clear evidence exonerating these two, the only prudent outcome is administrative dismissal. Was this guy a douche? Yep. Did he deserve a beat down? Yeah. Unfortunately the law (and by extension officers of the law) sometimes doesn't allow us to give people what they deserve. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Stupid people suck and stupid should hurt. Were the baton strikes warranted? Depends on what the video DOESN'T show... | ||
| Blake |
A few whacks of the baton don't bother me in this case. The man resisted arrest. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
hoot i never accused you of saying anything. for your second question yeah if he had i think it woulda been more understandable but still not truly deserved. this is a country of laws and outlaw justice has no place esp from the peace officers appointed to uphold our laws however broken or deficient they may be as for the rest of you. really sad thats some real keyboard courage you got going on there. from what i saw in the video he had no chance to resist other than trying to ride off to begin with. he dismounted and was on the ground why else would they have been bending over from the git? blake please tell me where in that video aside from the initial running on the bike where you can see that he resisted arrest? as for the rest of you that are saying he deserved a beating i'd love to see hear your reaction honest reaction not internet reaction if that happened to you or someone you know and care about. i'd put real money on it that you'd be singing a different tune. | ||
| Whatever |
They should have just called this guy for backup... I am just glad that Mr. Dane Co. Sheriff actually slowed down and looked before he pulled in front of me while I was speeding and listening to GaGa too loud coming home from work... ooooops.... | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
and what about the comment from the video "At one point in the video Randolph can be heard saying, “Keep going. I’m going to kick the sh** out of him.”"?? what the officer riding shotgun did was completely premeditated battery. the officer behind the wheel that punched and kneed him states he was resisting thus he used force. i think that the 'resisting' he is referring to is a natural defensive reaction to being wailed on with a baton but then again? im not a cop so what do i know? | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
What constitutes a 'beating', say, compared to a 'wake up call' ? Just saying. I did not see it as a beating. (Message edited by roadcouch98 on September 21, 2010) | ||
| Doughnut |
It is a gentlier kinder socicity. I am almost afraid to be aggressive with a known criminal for fear of being punished myself. And I am always too aggressive untill "you" are the victim. (edit, sorry just ranting) (Message edited by doughnut on September 21, 2010) | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
i have been the victim, not of the cops. way i look at it is like this. it can handled one of two ways. i can handle it. or i can give it to the cops and live with what they decide. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Boog, The video clearly shows the idiot getting off the bike and trying to run. The video then shows the idiot go to the ground. The video DOSEN'T show whether or not the he was resisting while he was on the ground. If he was, pain compliance (such as baton strikes or other tactics) may be used. Food for thought: Had the idiot not been on the sidewalk being stupid, he won't be where he is today... | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
two wrongs never ever make a right man. officers are trained on how to not act like that in high stress situations and are we forgetting that the officer riding shotgun premeditated the battery? | ||
| Paint_shaker |
When you say you will handle it, you will of course be within the law?? After all, "this is a country of laws and outlaw justice has no place"... I'm just sayin'... (Message edited by Paint shaker on September 21, 2010) | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
thus i have made the choice every time to allow the proper authorities to do their job. because no my emotional reactionary response probably would not be within the law. (Message edited by boogiman1981 on September 21, 2010) |
