| Author | Message | ||
     Jima4media |
Maybe the Greek Orthodox church should be moved, because it is closer to ground zero than the abandoned Burlington Coat Factory building. Or maybe the Roman Catholic Church should be moved. Or Battery Park Synagogue. Or maybe Church street should be moved. Where does religious intolerance end? (Message edited by jima4media on August 24, 2010) (Message edited by jima4media on August 24, 2010) | ||
| Reindog |
Listen to your momma, Jim. Maybe she could talk some sense into you. The only rational explanation that is starting to make sense is that the Left is insane and is filled with self hatred. This self hatred is so intense is that they are subconsciously looking for an authoritarian figure to stop them from their madness. This mass insanity happened right after the Weimar Republic so it is not unparalleled in history. Why do the Feminists not look at the photo of that girl on the cover of Time magazine who had her nose cut off by the Taliban, not RIOT in protest? All we hear are voices of how America is at fault and America is Evil. The only rational answer is that they secretly hate themselves and their Country and subconsciously want to be dominated by an authoritarian entity. The Left has become a perverse manifestation of the Stockholm Syndrome. - A Right of Center concerned American citizen (and an awesome Bueller who carved some amazing turns on Angeles Crest Highway yesterday after the Erik Buell concert and the CHP weren't looking). (Message edited by reindog on August 24, 2010) | ||
| M2me |
Jim, get off Blake's web site you despicable idiot!  Despicable idiot in this context means anyone who doesn't exhibit irrational moronic rage and hatred towards nearly 25% of humankind. I'm thinking about getting a t-shirt made with "Despicable Idiot" emblazoned across the front. I'd wear it with pride!  | ||
| Reindog |
This so called Park51 mosque is formerly known as the Cordoba Project, which is a name that is symbolic of Islamic Conquest. It would be more appropriately named the Islamic WTC Victory Tower. Tinglers.... this ain't going away. Never. Ever. And I am not filled with Hate, just Common Sense. You need to awaken. I have nothing whatsoever against Moslems. I have everything in the world against Radical Moslems whose only agenda is to rub our noses in the defeat that we suffered on 9/11. I also have everything in the world against the toadies and stoolies who bend themselves over in the supplication to the same Radical Moslems. (Message edited by reindog on August 24, 2010) | ||
| Reindog |
How eloquent, John. You are definitely in need of a timeout, child. | ||
| Blake |
>>> rage and hatred towards nearly 25% of humankind Proving once again that you don't bother to really read and comprehend the comments of others. Islamism is not just a religion; it is oppressive totalitarianism akin to naziism. It is not the kind and peaceful people of islam that should concern us; it is the Islamist equivalent to Hitler, Goebles, their SS. What has happened and is happening in Lebanon will happen everywhere the islamists gain power. Again, for those who miss the reality of islamist states and the brutal oppression that is matter of course there: Islam is NOT merely religion; it is fascist totalitarianism akin to Naziism. How many of you tinglers--perfect descriptor stolen from Reindog--would defend a proposal for a nazi community center mere yards from Auschwitz? Despicable idiots can be cured, but they must first desire truth, knowledge outside of their self-deluded PC fantasy world. You can do it. Free yourself with knowledge. 1. Cite the major factors in islam that make it a threat to humanity. 2. Cite the types of oppression that are common under islamic law. 3. What does islam say about Jewish people? Read the koran. Learn what muslim reformers themselves say about islamism and the culture it breeds. In short, don't be ignorant and foolish; become knowledgeable and wise. (Message edited by Blake on August 24, 2010) | ||
| Blake |
Knowledge is power. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1 187385,00.html http://www.google.com/m/search?&q=wafa+sultan+%22a +god+who+hates%22 | ||
| Blake |
Reality matters. For islam the koran is the infallible word of Allah, the god of islam. Might be wise to study what it says. Find a version organized chronologically in lieu of the typical ordering of chapters from longest to shortest. | ||
| Court |
>>>>They already own the building and what do you want them to do with it now? That's an inaccurate statement. The folks who are wanting to build this will be having to answer for making false statements to Community Board #1 in their filings. Our company owns the building. They do have the right to purchase it in their lease agreement but they have not and I see that they currently have less than $20,000 on hand. I don't have much of any opinion but confess concern simply as a result of the number of lies that have been told thus far in the process. To me . . it's a moot issue anyway. No construction worker in NYC will lift a hand, nor will any supplies bring material to the site. They'll find another, less inflammatory, location. There are a number of Mosque's in downtown and one more is certainly welcome in the nation's most culturally diverse city. (Message edited by court on August 24, 2010) | ||
| Hootowl |
The chronological order is important, as later writings supersede earlier ones. The earlier texts talk about peace and love, but the later ones say kill anyone who doesn't convert. This is why the Islamic extremists say Muslims who don't believe what they believe aren't true Muslims, and according to the Koran, they're right. | ||
| Blake |
Awe gee Jeff, ya gave away the ending. Court, what lies? I'm interested in learning more. Really good point about the construction and materials. The freedom to not bid a job, excellent. | ||
| Sifo |
Hey M2me! Great link that Catholic Encyclopedia! You left most of the quoted paragraph out. I can see why you didn't provide a link to your source. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04359b.htm
Boy, describing it as 524 years of humiliation of the Church of Cordova sure does make me want that in NY! Thanks for the link. Did Newt write that one too? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Newt is Catholic, so maybe. | ||
| Sifo |
I'm done for the night! Time to go out and celebrate 25 years with the wife! She's Catholic, maybe she wrote it??? | ||
| Geforce |
All you have to do to understand the mindset of Islam is to go live in one of their great countries for a few years... One day, you will have a realization very similar to the following video. It will open your eyes...or kill you...one of the two. (Message edited by Geforce on August 24, 2010) | ||
| Aesquire |
Love the Video. ( it's not Wagner... it's Strauss. ) Yes, Blake, islam has it's rotten, violent, hostile, imperialistic side. The "students" and "teachers" that preach slavery for women, and all who are not of the select. Many fools will not admit to that side of islam, even when it murders their neighbors. With some it's unbelieving denial...some, a willingness to embrace anything, no matter how evil, to advance a leftist agenda. After all, the desire of the true leftist also has a select few ruling the rest of us as slaves to their will. I suspect that the odd partnership between the leftists and the theocrats is a matter of self delusion on the left's part. I think they really believe they can appease or overcome the theocrats after the destruction of liberty and the rise of the Holy State. I think they are fools. The islamofascists are a minority. I only mention this because idiots insist that that obvious fact has meaning. It's a bs argument. A minority of millions is still a lot of evil, violent a$$holes. Still, the jerks who want the screw-you mosque have every right to have a mosque. It's our law. I stand by it. I'm annoyed, so what? If I compromise on this point my faith could be next denied equal rights. Under Sharia law, it is denied all rights. Sharia law will not be imposed upon me & mine while I draw breath. Not going to tolerate Gore-worshipers, or Quakers forcing their faith on me either. At the same time I must defend others faiths as I would my own. It's our highest law. In a sad way, I am grateful to the Cordova mosque jerks, since their actions point out to those not blind that compromise and fellowship is not their goal. It could have been far worse. Imagine a nightmare alternate world where, instead of murdering thousands of people, the islamofascists formed an alliance of "purity" with the radical christian right wingers. Together to restore "traditional" values and fight rampant sin. It might have worked. Sure, the Followers of the koran would have turned to the destruction of the Followers of the bible once freedom was crushed, just as they would the leftists, but the damage done to liberty might have been far worse than the unholy war waged against us today. ( even if some cretins here refuse to admit that war exists. ) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
There isn't a muslim person who when asked about 9/11 won't put a "but" in the answer. | ||
| Doug_s |
There isn't a muslim person who when asked about 9/11 won't put a "but" in the answer. and there isn't an honest jew who doesn't know that the wtc towers would still be standing today were it not for america's totally one-sided support of israel against the rights of the peoples it displaced since its creation. doug s., jewish but not a zionist ps - and for those of you who think islam is a cult? sure it is - as is all organized religion. your mistake is to think all muslims are evil, simply cuz they're muslims. you are simply showing you are no better than the muslim fanatics. even christianity teaches that you will go to hell if you do not accept jesus christ as your saviour. man, for all this right-wing ranting, you should realize that jesus was simply a radical left wing organizer... the son of god, born of a wirgin?  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
and there isn't an honest jew who doesn't know that the wtc towers would still be standing today were it not for america's totally one-sided support of israel against the rights of the peoples it displaced since its creation. Wow, how misguided can one person be. I guess the continued calls for world wide caliphate are just calls for unity and love? It wouldn't matter if Israel existed or not. They want our heads. Period. | ||
| Doug_s |
"...It wouldn't matter if Israel existed or not. They want our heads. ..." who is this "they"? some of my best friends are fasting right now, cuz it's ramadan. my friends are a lot more tolerant than you are. you are as extreme as the "they" you talk about. there wouldn't be enough "they" to write home about if america were known to be even-handed in its treatment of the muslim & arab world. but, i guess w/narrow-minded bigots like you running around, it ain't gonna happen any time soon. period. | ||
| Hootowl |
Who is "they"? Really? OK, since you obviously haven't been using your superior intellect to comprehend what you've been reading, I'll lay it out for you: "They" are Islamo-fascist who want to spread Islam by the sword, in accordance with their religious teachings. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
This debate shouldn't be about whether or not we should capitulate and be happy that the calls to muslim prayer will echo down the streets and over the grave of 3000 Americans MURDERED by fanatics bent on martyrdom. This debate should center around why are those wanting to build the mosque so insensitive to the worst attack on Americans, on our soil in the history of our country, is not being treated with reverence by a group that is claiming to be peaceful and understanding. That whole understanding thing has more than one side to it....if opposition to this idea makes me a bad American then fine I am a bad American. I would be willing to bet had this group asked to build a mosque but felt the current location was too close to the WTC and that THEY felt it inappropriate to build there, all of New York and this country would've have stood up and helped them build. It shows compassion for those MURDERED and respect for their memories. That is not what is happening. Intolerance and lack of compassion goes both ways, to find a solution compromises would normally have to be made, but from what I am seeing why compromise the memories of people that were MURDERED by those of this religion? Rant off... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Let's see. I don't remember any Southern Baptists flying planes into buildings or blowing themselves in crowded shopping centers. I don't remember any Lutherans walking in ans shooting up jewish community centers. I'm pretty sure I've never heard of any jewish rabbis stoning their children or beheading anyone of a different faith in recent history. What you call bigotry, I call experience and observation. If we allowed Israel to be wiped off the map, we wouldn't be all buddy with radical Islam. You've bought into the lie promoted by these very same radicals. Now you have to ask yourself if your fasting friends lived in Syria or Yemen or Somalia or Iran practicing the very same religion your friends do with doctrines that are the same, would they be more likely to be your friend or more likely to seek your head. They are moderate here only because they are HERE. The very same person who is looking to build a 15 story mosque at ground zero is also seeking to import the very same radical beliefs held in Yemen or Syria or Iran. I take them at their word when they say that they want to kill us. I don't care what has been done in the past. I don't intend on turning my back to allow them to kill me. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Liquorwhere, Mark this day. You and I are in agreement! | ||
| Reindog |
doug_s, Does your Rabbi know of your hatred towards Israel? You favor the extinguishing of the ONLY ray of light in the Mid East? I have a problem with self loathing Jews and you best start opening your eyes before it is too late. Please visit your Rabbi as he can provide you with some insight as I know full well that you are not going to listen to me. Your views and resulting emotional behavior on virtually everything you voice opinions about are just plain, disturbingly wrong. How did you get so far down the wrong road? Why do you adamantly refuse to share with us what you do for a living? It would give us insight about why you are the way you are. You come across as a student with no real world work experience but that is just my perception. Heck, you could be a hot, female porn star as far as I know.  (Message edited by reindog on August 25, 2010) | ||
| Aptbldr |
Evangelical Christians are over-represented in the US Air Force. So, one could readily say that Christians fly planes and blow-up buildings. Same employer's military & mercenary forces have injured a few shoppers and ambulance drivers in Iraq and Afghanistan. We can all remember Christians who shoot-up and blow-up crap in the US. There are most certainly and obviously radical Christian elements in the US, along with a fair representation of most other sorts of views and behaviors. Broad sweeping stereotypes and dehumanizing of cultures & nations is crude ignorant behavior. That doesn't necessarily mean ALL right-wing Christians are crude or ignorant people. Doug's apparently a guillotine tester, from what I've read lately... | ||
| Doug_s |
i am SO thankful i am the way i am, and that i have an open-minded tolerant worldwiew. i would SO despise having such bigotry pervading my soul. i see such ugliness and hate here; that is what's truly disturbing; and you have the audacity to tell me I am the disturbed one?  i oppose any religious state - they are prejudicial by their wery existence. they're all fanatics who i consider wery dangerous. israel included. i see NO ray of light in the middle east, only darkness clouded by superstition. fighting about religion is fighting over who has the best imaginary friend. the radical islamists are no more muslims than timothy mcveigh or scott roeder were christians. they can call themselves whatever they like they are all evil. as are those in israel, who refuse to stop practicing apartheid - of all people, you would think they would know better. as a jew, i am embarrassed. as an american, i am embarrassed that this islamic community center project in nyc is even an issue at all. i really do not know why it matters, but i have been practicing architecture & engineering project management for a lot of years... doug s. (Message edited by doug_s. on August 25, 2010) | ||
| Reindog |
This is the first thing we can agree on, but the irony is overwhelming. Is your employer or your clients the same "rich" that are stealing from the "poor"? Have you educated them about how evil they are? Here is another similarity between us. I, too, have an open-minded tolerant worldview. But once again, the irony is quite thick in this chatfest. | ||
| Hootowl |
"the radical islamists are no more muslims than timothy mcveigh or scott roeder were christians" You're wrong there. The Koran compels them to commit these acts in the name of spreading Islam. Have you read it? Remember that the later writings supersede the earlier ones. The Muslims who don't believe in the killing of infidels aren't following their book. Are all Muslims bad? Heck no, but the religion they profess to believe in sure is. The bible compels Christians to spread the word of God. It doesn't compel them to kill those who won't convert. There's a significant difference there. | ||
| Reindog |
Islam 21st century = Christianity 14th century. It will be interesting to see what Reformo-Islamianity becomes. |
