| Author | Message | ||
     Xl1200r |
Just a few quick thoughts. Obama is a jackass. Bush was a jackass, too, but anyone who thinks that Obama is a 'breath of fresh air' is just as misguided as the 19-year-old college chick with a "HOPE" t-shirt on. He's a smooth talker, nothing more and PLENTY less. The Constitution of this nation guarantees the right of the those who want the mosque at Ground Zero to build it, and for that reason alone I support it. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean I like it. I think it's UNIMAGINABLY disrespectful. As much as they have a right to build it, everyone and their brother has a right to protest it and tell those who build and attend that mosque EXACTLY what they think of it and those who worship there. It's pretty tiring how we extend kindness and sensitivity to everyone and only end up getting sh!t on. I'll speak my mind - MAYBE the guy who wants to build this mosque isn't a radical fundamentalist. MAYBE he has no ties to anyone who is. MAYBE he loves America and the life this nation has been able to afford him. MAYBE all that is true, but it doesn't change the fact that, as a human being and nothing more, he's a total a$$hole. | ||
| Sifo |
I like that there is a plan to build a gay bar right next door to the mosque!  | ||
| M2me |
I believe that in this case Mayor Bloomberg is correct, it presents a significant risk, the failed bombing of the WTC, (the garage) was orkestrated thru a mosque near by.  Bloomberg supports the mosque. Where do you get your news from? Fox News? Maybe you need to find a different news source. Here is a quote from an article on Wall Street Journal.
NYC mayor praises Obama's support for mosque plan | ||
| Sifo |
Maybe Fox News has a bit more complete coverage on Bloomberg's position. He's not exactly against it, but is more than happy to help them find a more suitable location. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/10/ny-governor-o ffers-state-help-developers-ground-zero-mosque-see k-relocate/ Seems to be a good plan for all involved that any reasonable person might take up if they are interested in "bridge building". Of course if bridge building isn't the intent... | ||
| M2me |
There already is a mosque four blocks from the sacred, holy site of Ground Zero. That mosque has been there since 1970, before tower two was even completed. Should this mosque be closed because it's being disrespectful somehow? It's ironic that some of the strict constructionists from the "Constitution thread" are eager to toss out parts of the Constitution that they don't like. It always seems like the only ones who aren't required to strictly follow the Constitution are the strict constructionists themselves. There is absolutely no legal or moral reason why a mosque or a synagogue or a church can't be built two blocks from the world trade center site. | ||
| M2me |
Maybe Fox News has a bit more complete coverage on Bloomberg's position. He's not exactly against it, but is more than happy to help them find a more suitable location. Ummm, Gov. Paterson and Mayor Bloomberg are two different people. | ||
| Sifo |
The old mosque wasn't built as a symbol on conquest. The fact that there is already a mosque right in the area only serves to raise further questions about the need for a new mosque right in that spot. (Message edited by SIFO on August 14, 2010) | ||
| Sifo |
Ummm, Gov. Paterson and Mayor Bloomberg are two different people. Oops! Egg on my face there. Obviously I skimmed that quite quickly.  EDIT: Fox News isn't claiming that Bloomberg is against it though.
(Message edited by SIFO on August 14, 2010) | ||
| Reindog |
The question of whether there is a right to build the mosque near the Hallowed ground of the WTC is not the issue. The point is that it is unwise. The point is that it is an insult. The point is that the the story is built on lies. The point is that this administration is complicit in the degradation of America and is rubbing our faces in it. Fact: The State Department is funding Imam Rauf's trip to the Mideast under the disguise of promoting understanding. There will be no fundraising. Yeah, right. State Department is funding Rauf's trip to the Mideast Fact: The original name of the mosque was Cordoba House. "The proposed "Cordoba House" overlooking the World Trade Center site - where a group of jihadists killed over 3000 Americans and destroyed one of our most famous landmarks - is a test of the timidity, passivity and historic ignorance of American elites. For example, most of them don't understand that 'Cordoba House' is a deliberately insulting term. It refers to Cordoba, Spain - the capital of Muslim conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards by transforming a church there into the world's third-largest mosque complex. "Today, some of the Mosque's backers insist this term is being used to 'symbolize interfaith cooperation' when, in fact, every Islamist in the world recognizes Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is a sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way." Meaning of Muslim reference to Cordoba Fact: Rauf fails to recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization. Currently, our State Department places Hamas on the list of terrorist organizations. The bottom line is that the true intent of this mosque near the WTC is an attempt to stick our noses in it. They have the right but it ain't right. And the Left is bending over backwards to accommodate them. This nonsense will end. The question is when? | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
The American liberal is quick to paint right leaning white Christian men who own guns as extremists or "mcveigh types" even though the extremism and incidents are few. If thats not enough call them nazis or KKK members. But large groups of islamic followers celebrate in the streets on 9-11 and out in the open in NY and all around the world and the American liberal bends over backwards to not offend them. We read stories of muslim women beaten and mutilated or fleeing their "religion of peace" husbands and the American liberals throat knots up when he must condemn these incidents. | ||
| Sifo |
I'm very confused about the official purpose of funding Imam Rauf's travels. Is this trip somehow unrelated to his religion? If not how is this not the Government promoting a specific religion which is explicitly prohibited by the 1st amendment of a once revered document. | ||
| Sifo |
If this doesn't qualify as promoting a religion, I'm not sure what does qualify... http://www.commentsonnationalamnesia.com/2010/08/1 0/state-department-funding-radical-imam-feisal-rau f/
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| Reindog |
The Kraut hits another one out of the ballpark. For those who still feel the tingle of joy up their legs, how would you feel about the insensitivity of building a Japanese Cultural Center next the the USS Arizona in Pearl Harbor? How about a German Cultural Center next to Treblinka? A diseased mind would find a way to come to the conclusion: "Gung-ho!" So have at it, Lefticles. Read the Kraut as he is far more eloquent than I. Sacrilege at Ground Zero (Message edited by reindog on August 14, 2010) | ||
| Reindog |
 A Greek Orthodox Church destroyed by the falling WTC on 9/11/2001, has not been rebuilt. Why has the Port Authority roadblocked it for nine years whereas the Cordoba House (oops.. I meant Park51) been fast tracked? What say you, Tinglers? http://www.greekboston.com/wordpress/2010/08/greek -orthodox-church-or-mosque-ground-zero/ | ||
| Wheelybueller |
Let them build it and then BLOW the S.O.B's UP.... Just my opinion,If I offended you oh well.  | ||
| Fast1075 |
I would like to add Reindog to the list of people I would buy a beer for  | ||
| Reindog |
Thank you, Fast1075. Beerdration contributions always gladly accepted at the Reindog compound. Thanks and backatcha with the beer. Heck, free beer for any Lefticle who admits that trickle down WORKS! There is cervesa trickling on my keyboard this very minute. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Let them build it and then BLOW the S.O.B's UP.... Just my opinion,If I offended you oh well. Then we could dance in the streets too. | ||
| M2me |
how would you feel about the insensitivity of building a Japanese Cultural Center next the the USS Arizona in Pearl Harbor? The Japan-America Society of Hawaii just lists a P.O. Box as their address but it's in Honolulu. Where are their actual offices? Right on top of the USS Arizona I'll bet. Promoting understanding and friendships between the peoples of Japan and the United States? Yeah, right. Every Japanese knows it's a symbol of conquest. Those dirty Japs! This is an outrage! Why won't the liberal media report on this?
The Japan-America Society of Hawaii | ||
| Reindog |
Dude, Are you bonging? If so, please share. Japanese-American Societies are a good thing. Mosques are a good thing...cough, cough. Just not near Hallowed ground. Capiche? | ||
| Reindog |
Have you paid your respects by visiting the USS Arizona? It is a tranquil, very emotional place for Japanese and American visitors alike. All are welcome there and the Japanese visitors are respectful. What was unexpected to me was to find oil bubbling to the surface of the Memorial even after 69 years. Some of our fallen sailors are still interred there and that oil symbolizes their Blood to me. Cordoba House is not respectful, not even close. The spirits of our Fallen will forever curse the perpetrators of this disrespect. While we are back on the subject, this so-called President of ours said that he wouldn't comment on the mosque as it was a local matter. He couldn't even keep THAT simple promise. There is something fundamentally unsound about Obama and the People are waking up to the National Mistake that they made. What say you, Tinglers? | ||
| Sifo |
The better analogy would be building the Japanese-American Societies on the Arizona while WWII was still going on. Once we have crushed radical Islam the way we did the Japanese we can discuss a mosque. | ||
| Wheelybueller |
Islamic Internment camps....?  | ||
| Reindog |
Most people have no problem with a mosque as Freedom of Religion is a fundamental Right of Americans. However, picking at a scab is never a good idea. Maybe there should be a Constitutional Amendment that prohibits stupidity.  But this most "illustrious" of Hamas lovin' Imans knows precisely what he is doing. I condemn him and his transgression will NEVER be forgotten if he gets away with it. | ||
| M2me |
Have you paid your respects by visiting the USS Arizona? No, I have not. I've never been to Hawaii. I've never been to Alaska either. I'd like to get to both states someday and if I get to to Hawaii I would definitely visit the USS Arizona. What say you, Tinglers? I say it didn't matter how Obama responded. If he said he was opposed to building a mosque, he would be criticized for not understanding the Constitution. If he said he wouldn't oppose a mosque, he would be criticized for being insensitive to the hallowed site of Ground Zero. It's a no win situation for him. This is what Obama actually said:
You can read the whole thing here It's pretty smart stuff. I find it hard to disagree with him. Oh, and by the way, Obama never said he wouldn't comment on the mosque as it was a local matter. Press Secretary Gibbs said that he, Gibbs, wouldn't comment. | ||
| Moxnix |
Many years ago I worked with an electrical engineer from Pakistan who taught at a mosque in North Seattle every week. We were quantifying building materials at Sea-Tac airport, had complete access to the whole place and all the drawings. Of course he proselytized and told me it was his dream that someday the USA would become an Islamic Republic. It was funny at the time. Now, 2 decades later it's not so crazy to imagine what these folks are up to. Of course, right after 9-11 I submitted my concern regarding this chap to the FBI's solicited tip spot on their website. I think our POTUS allowed us a look under his dishdasha at what is in his heart and head. He clearly supports the Wahabist hardline. Keep an eye on Michigan. | ||
| M2me |
I've never been a Bush fan but maybe it's time to remember what former President Bush said on 9/20/2001:
Muslims and their mosques are not our enemy. It may be tempting to go down that path but nothing good will come from it. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Yea I read that... What a jackass. Our president is freaking jackass. I REALLY thought he had common sense. He has NONE. (no i didn't vote for him) I really was hoping he could unite but he is literally tearing people apart. A total ef'ing asshead. Gee... as an unemployed citizen and motorcyclist,.. I want you to know that.... the sky is usually blue and will remain blue whenever the sun is out. When it is dark... the moon will rise. Then...the sun will come up again in the morning like allways. WTF?!?!? I never thought i would hate the man. | ||
| Swordsman |
I haven't looked into this thing at all, but it would be interesting if the boys in charge were all for this mosque because it will without a doubt be a pilgrimage spot for terrorists and/or terrorist wannabes. Maybe use it as bait? You can bet i'd be keeping an eye on it for suspicious activity. Probably giving the administration more credit than it deserves there, but just thinkin... ~SM | ||
| Gohot |
I'm beginning to think the only people on the earth currently with a pair of balls is Isrial, they take NO shit, and dish out plenty if you f*** with them. For a nation the size of LA County, thats pretty badass. Ya think we ought to take a hint from them....??? |
