| Author | Message | ||
     Nukeblue |
well here i am reading along enjoying this thread when WHAM it hits me.... what the hell does YMMV mean??!! | ||
| 007blast |
YMMV = Your Method May Vary | ||
| Nukeblue |
ok, thanks! carry on... | ||
| Hex |
Or: Your Mileage May Vary | ||
| Hex |
Trojan, thanks for playing. You wrote: There really needs to be some joined up thinking worldwide about these kind of shocking events instead of trying to protect national interests all the time (and I include the UK government in this too). Why don't we have some kind of task force that can respond to these disasters world wide and take advantage of expertise across the globe instead of playing the blame game straight away (which helps nobody affected)? Sounds logical, seems responsible, but, if you talk like that in America since Nov. 2008 you will be called a Socialist. If you're a Canadian and talk like that in America, you'll probably get called worse. I don't know about the English, but now I hear we have a 'special' relationship. Too bad for you... United Nations? Socialists. France? Socialists. Work hard, read books and become a College graduate? Elitist. Thinking, talking, acting about the future of Earth without first considering the America's supreamacy and the Almighty Buck? Liberal-Progressive-Socialist-Elitist-(Scum) McCarthyism is alive and well in the hearts of many Americans. Of course we could always blame the Muslims, they started it you know... Etcetera ad nauseum. Best I can do is play the game, and not be bullied by tyrannical double standards. | ||
| Hex |
Court, if you continue to pollute MY forum with those ridiculous notions about Humanity's impact on Mother Gaia, you will be ridiculed and ostracized, in fact, you have no right to be riding Buell... JK--  (Or, maybe your change of heart is purely financial, playing with those electric whirly-gigs.) | ||
| Drkside79 |
Not sure what Hex did wrong on this one. Since when was the quick board not the place for this thread? Did he post it to provoke a reaction from people? Sure he did! However his counterparts do the same without repercussion Just wondering? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Odd that someone who advocates global governance would also reject global aid from 17 nations using a technicality. Seems inconsistent to me. | ||
| Hootowl |
Mccarthy was right. Every person he accused of being a communist was later revealed to be a communist when the USSR collapsed and the KGB released their documents. The people being labeled as socialists today are for the most part SELF DESCRIBED socialists. They freely admit it. If you look at their philosophy and the philosophy of others who are accused of it but still deny, you'll find a striking similarity. We've tried socialism, and it has failed. Capitalism produces wealthy people and poor people. Socialism only produces poor people. I'll take the former, and the ability to choose how I'll end up. We all make choices. Choose to screw off in high school? Fine, that's your choice. Don't complain when you're stuck in a minimum wage job. In America we can choose to succeed or we can chose to fail. We shouldn't ask the people who chose to succeed to support the people who chose to fail, and that is exactly what socialism is. | ||
| Aesquire |
Not at all, this is a beauty of a crisis, and the longer it goes on, the better the chances of imposing a theocratic solution to capitalism is. Or, in simple terms, crisis good for Obama. While he has no ability to stop the leak, the oil washing up on shore is great for his methods of "leadership". Since that is call for hate, envy and anger to sway the Proletariat...I mean fools, the worse it is the better it is for his political agenda. I know how cynical that sounds. Remember, we are supposed to despise BP. The Greedy, evil company that took shortcuts to save money ( looks like that's true ) is not to be trusted ( per the Prez. ) with the safety and well being of American Citizens. Got that? Hate BP. They can't be trusted. Understand? ( this is the Prez's message to you. I may agree with him. ) So, in response to this crisis the Prez. tells us we must pass legislation devised by Enron & BP. 2 companies that can be trusted to have our best interests at heart. Not evil greedy companies that would rip you off. Right? For some odd reason, I DON'T agree with Barack on that last statement. Am I the only one who see's the problem? | ||
| Drkside79 |
Mccarthy right or not was a fear-monger. He may very well have been right but his tactics were wrong and the end did not justify the means. In fact he was such an ass that he probably helped the Commies in the end. Former Reagan Administration Secretary of Education and conservative writer William Bennett has been quoted as writing critically of McCarthy in his 2007 book America: The Last Best Hope: The cause of anti-communism, which united millions of Americans and which gained the support of Democrats, Republicans and independents, was undermined by Sen. Joe McCarthy … McCarthy addressed a real problem: disloyal elements within the U.S. government. But his approach to this real problem was to cause untold grief to the country he claimed to love … Worst of all, McCarthy besmirched the honorable cause of anti-communism. He discredited legitimate efforts to counter Soviet subversion of American institutions. (Message edited by drkside79 on June 22, 2010) | ||
| Hootowl |
He may have been an ass, but if he had not done what he did, those communists would have gone undetected. Who knows how much more damage they could have done. I believe his actions were justified given the gravity of the situation. Our government was penetrated at the highest levels by a foreign government. I'm glad he wasn't pussyfooting around. Point is, even though he has been demonstrated to be correct, he is still demonized for conducting a which hunt. I'd call a 100% success rate in identifying commies anything but a which hunt. We should be thanking him, not demonizing him. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hootowl, I partially disagree. We shouldn't ask the people who chose to succeed to support the people who chose to fail, and that is exactly what socialism is. I'd say it's not "exactly" what socialism is, I'd say it's the tactic to impose socialism on a free society. It's part of the cry for "fairness", where your choice to work hard and perhaps advance in life is "unfair" because you achieve different results than one who makes other choices. Like dropping out of grade school, getting pregnant, etc. You know, the kinds of choices the Prez doesn't want his daughters punished for. It's like terrorism. The purpose of terrorism is to create terror? Really it's the tactic to force change. Usually. In traditional western terrorism, ( see IRA, all those "freedom fighters" sponsored by the Soviets, etc. ) the idea is to make the the govt. oppressive and gain popular support. The "terrorists" want to take over, and rule by their methods. Usually a dictatorship results, since even if the original "terrorists" were Jeffersonian neo-anarchists, the evil f*&ks that love power tend to take over in a post revolutionary blood bath. ( see Soviet Union, China, Iran, Germany, France, etc. etc.) In Jihadi terrorism, it is also to impose a reign of terror over the people even before the govt. falls. In that case terror is a main purpose, along with revolution. | ||
| Hootowl |
"He discredited legitimate efforts to counter Soviet subversion of American institutions." Only because "useful tools" within the government and press were complicit in making it seem that he was a crazy man on a whitch hunt. If he had been taken seriously, other efforts to out communists would not have been referred as "Mccarthyism". I don't blame the man for that, I blame the name callers and communist sympathizers that were/are ruining this country. Edited for spelling (Message edited by hootowl on June 22, 2010) | ||
| Sifo |
Trojan, thanks for playing. You wrote: There really needs to be some joined up thinking worldwide about these kind of shocking events instead of trying to protect national interests all the time (and I include the UK government in this too). Why don't we have some kind of task force that can respond to these disasters world wide and take advantage of expertise across the globe instead of playing the blame game straight away (which helps nobody affected)? Sounds logical, seems responsible, but, if you talk like that in America since Nov. 2008 you will be called a Socialist. Hex, you show yourself to either a) Not pay attention to the other side in response to your own ranting. OR b) Continue to be a troll. The containment and clean up of this oil spill is exactly the sort of thing that government could and should be able to do better than private industry. Government is better positioned to gather resources (international if necessary) and bend rules (such as a quick determination that sand berms are less harmful than oil washing ashore). Unfortunately the current administration has shown itself unable to act in the best interests of the country. It has taken them 7-8 weeks to finally start taking actions to contain the spill that should have been done in the first days of the spill. What will get you called a socialist is when you start talking about seizing the assets of BP over this. We are a country of laws and there is a legal way to recover the cost of damages. Seizing assets is not the way to do that though. Using this to promote Cap & Tax is also a very poor response that is a step toward socialism. You can go back to your bong now. | ||
| 007blast |
"You can go back to your bong now."  | ||
| Court |
>>>>Unfortunately the current administration has shown itself unable to act in the best interests of the country. It took 12 days for them . . . . the same idiots claiming to have been "in charge since day 1" . . . to say so much as a single word about it. Total blithering idiots. You guys took the bong comment right out of my head . . . .  | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
ITS ABOUT TIME!!!  | ||
| Guell |
that looks like the costco sized industrial pack | ||
| Hootowl |
Latest word is that a federal judge has overturned the 6 month drilling ban. | ||
| Sifo |
Latest word is that a federal judge has overturned the 6 month drilling ban. That's about the smartest thing I've seen on this in the past 2 months. It never made sense to punish other companies and their employees for any of this. | ||
| Court |
New Orleans, Louisiana (CNN) -- A federal judge in New Orleans blocked a six-month moratorium on deepwater drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, a ruling the White House said it would immediately appeal.} | ||
| Hex |
Checks and balances. What will the immediate appeal do? Will the moratorium stand until the appeal process is complete? We've tried socialism, and it has failed. Are you talking about?: The Works Progress Administration (renamed during 1939 as the Work Projects Administration; WPA) was the largest New Deal agency, employing millions to carry out public works projects, including the construction of public buildings and roads, and operated large arts, drama, media, and literacy projects. It fed children and redistributed food, clothing, and housing. Almost every community in the United States had a park, bridge or school constructed by the agency, which especially benefited rural and Western populations. Expenditures from 1936 to 1939 totaled nearly $7 billion | ||
| Hootowl |
Yes, among other experiments in socialism. The "New Deal" according to modern economists likely EXTENDED the Great Depression. Make-work projects do pay workers, but since you have to COLLECT taxes before you can SPEND taxes, there was no net gain. Wealth was not created, it was simply redistributed. Governments do not generate wealth, they are a drain upon it. | ||
| Hex |
From an article on the drilling ban ban: During a two-hour hearing Monday, plaintiffs' attorney Carl Rosenblum had argued that the suspension could prove more economically devastating than the spill itself. "This is an unprecedented industrywide shutdown. Never before has the government done this," Rosenblum said. Read more: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37841204/ns/disaster _in_the_gulf/#ixzz0rc1Nym5x I call BS on that. I remember three days in September with no air traffic. | ||
| Hootowl |
Yup, pure posturing. But three days is a bit different than six months don't you think? | ||
| Hex |
Wealth was not created But a new nation was. Every bridge, park, and tunnel here in Roseville CA has a WPA plaque on it. I appreciate and use them as well as all the others of our community 60+ years after. | ||
| Hex |
Back to the ban ban: Although shares initially spiked dramatically on the news around 1:30 p.m. EDT, they fell back just as quickly as an appeal from the White House is forthcoming, meaning the moratorium will stick for now at least. http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100622-71082 1.html | ||
| Hootowl |
Way I understand it, the judge's order immediately stopped enforcement of the ban. An appeal of the order banning enforcement doesn't lift the ban on enforcement of the ban until the appeal is heard and a subsequent ruling made. In other words, the ban was banned and appealing the banned ban doesn't lift the ban ban. | ||
| Court |
It concerns me that a "neighborhood organizer" who's never "managed" anything in his life can arbitrarily decide what industry he wants to shut down for 6 months. The guy is a smooth talking idiot. |
