| Author | Message | ||
     Firebolt020283 |
http://www.kxno.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.h tml?redir=yes&mps=ppr.php&mid=http://a1135.g.akama i.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com /18227/podcast/DESMOINES-IA/KXNO-AM/061510%20GEOFF %20MAY.mp3?CPROG=PCAST?CCOMRRMID&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&M ARKET=DESMOINES-IA&NG_FORMAT=&NG_ID=&OR_NEWSFORMAT =&OWNER=&SERVER_NAME=www.kxno.com&SITE_ID=726&STAT ION_ID=KXNO-AM&TRACK I got this from another board but he hinted at Erik Buell Racing producing a 1190 street bike in the near future. | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
 I better start wearing this one out fast!I hope its true. I love hearing Geoff say the 1190 is the fastest bike he has ever ridden. Coming from someone with his background that says alot. | ||
| Squidbuzz |
COOL! | ||
| Hughlysses |
I'd say it's a little more than "hinting". He said (referring to the 1190): "...that thing's coming out and it will be sold hopefully in the production bike here soon and hopefully that's what our goal is, is to race that in AMA next year...get through this year, do our R&D on the chassis of this bike that's similar to the 1190, and then come out next year with a can o' whoop ass for everybody..." He's saying they're planning to race an 1190 in AMA next year which means it has to be a production bike by then. Sweet! | ||
| Elvis |
While this is very cool, and I think the thing all of us are hoping for, I think it's important to note that he uses the word "hopefully". There still could be large, possibly insurmountable, legal and financial hurdles. Someone could say: "Hopefully BRP will obtain the Buell rights.", but that statement doesn't mean it will happen. (Message edited by elvis on June 18, 2010) | ||
| Gunut75 |
boioioioioioioioioioioioionnnnggggg  | ||
| Reepicheep |
The power of smart people and agile processes. One more demonstration of Harley shortsighted tunnel vision. They assume that if they lock up the Buell intellectual property, that they will lock up the Buell intellectual property. They won't, they will just render "rev 1" obsolete, and drive "rev 2" to be better and available sooner. Instead, they could sell "rev 1" to BRP (or somebody else, or better yet several somebody elses), help the bottom line at a time when they really need cash, collect decent royalty revenue, and have a carrot they can dangle when they want something cool somebody else has tried to lock up. I hate cowardly leadership, especially at a motorcycle company. It should be a combination of precision, intellect, and passion first and foremost... then let marketing figure out how to monetize it without screwing it up. That is your long term strategic plan for success. Once the smoke and mirrors folks (no matter how smart they are) get control of the engineering and product decisions, you aren't turning a profit, you are just selling the farm. Poorly. The current Harley board and executive team are being paid way to much for a group of conservative "leaders" ruled by caution. If we wanted a team of unimaginitive accountants, we could have hired them at $70k per year and been done with it. You are paid the big bucks to be a leader. (sorry for the rant. Go Erik Buell Racing! Get that racing bike sorted so the tech can trickle down to the next generation Uly (for me) and Lightning (for my kid)!). (Message edited by reepicheep on June 18, 2010) | ||
| Drkside79 |
I saw the 1190 yesterday and my what a bike! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The goal is racing at the top levels (will the presumption of wins). It's going to be nearly impossible giving away 15-20hp. The only way to close the gap is with an 1190cc motor. One way or another, an 1190cc bike has to be put into production for homologation. The interview hints at this being sooner rather than later. It also hints that not all the B2 platforms were destroyed. | ||
| Jaimec |
I hate to say it, but the air-cooled bikes are dead... unless you're referring to a Rotax-powered equivalent of the Lightning and Ulysses (which will also have different names since HD-<spit> owns those two). | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The HD air-cooled bikes are dead. Rotax can build anything Erik chooses. Keep in mind that the air-cooled bikes were a compromise when the VR motor became "non-viable". That platform was not widely accepted by the motorcycling public. Although I love the XB platform, XB and Tuber fans are an oddity, an aberration. I like being an aberration, but we are an aberration nonetheless. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
Time to start saving | ||
| Greg_e |
I'm OK with a Rotax powered 984cc water cooled version of the XB. Can't even call it an XB because it will no longer be based around the X motors. I'm really OK with a smoother running mill in that frame, extremely OK for that matter. I think this is what will need to happen if they want to try and grab the police cycle market back, they don't want an air cooled machine kicking out massive heat in the California desert. Might be the only way to prevent them from buying the BMWs that you see for sale on ebay for next to nothing with 100,000 miles on them. | ||
| Hughlysses |
The HD air-cooled bikes are dead. Rotax can build anything Erik chooses. If this forum is any indication, I think there's a good demand for air-cooled sport bikes. I can imagine profits from the sales of the new 1190 paying for R&D for development of a generation II XB powerplant, sort of reversal of the way things went at Buell. I've said it many times- I'd really like to see what they could come up with for a clean-sheet air cooled engine design. As good as the last XB engines were, there are a lot of compromises that could be eliminated in a new-design engine. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Absolutely. My next Uly won't be called a Uly, and it more then likely won't have an air cooled motor, but I'll know what it is.  If Harley comes out with another Uly, it will be the modern equivalent to the "pinto with the mustang badge" from the 80's. Dark days, those, and I'm not even a big Mustang fan.  | ||
| Court |
Jack is in good hands. | ||
| Oddball |
"pinto with the mustang badge"? Shouldn't that be from the 70's? "Mustang II" I'll still dream and wonder what the xbrr powered street bikes would have been like.  | ||
| Acgwolfe |
To me "hopefully" means that it may not happen, but it will not be for them not trying. I take it that they have a plan in action right now and if everything goes as planned there will be a street version. But I am optimistic sometimes, and it never hurt anyone to hope and dream. | ||
| 007blast |
who knows what up Erik's sleeve. i say stay tuned boys, & girls. | ||
| Drkside79 |
After seeing it yesterday all i can say is WOW | ||
| Midknyte |
If this forum is any indication, I think there's a good demand for air-cooled sport bikes. One of the many things that drew me to the Firebolt is how the engine, so seemingly at odds with the rest of the machine and world, worked well and with character. HD - Ya f#cked up big time! | ||
| Reepicheep |
Can we start proposing names? The Erik Buell Racing 1190 FU. I'm serious... name it that. | ||
| Glitch |
Can't even call it an XB because it will no longer be based around the X motors. The name XB came from the "X" frame, not the engine. If this forum is any indication, I think there's a good demand for air-cooled sport bikes. I'd rather have an air cooled bike. I've been looking at Ducati lately. | ||
| Glitch |
Can we start proposing names? Sure, this could be fun. In keeping with the WWII aircraft we have: Liberator Dominator Privateer Invader Helldiver Wildcat Hellcat Bearcat Chain Lightning (it'll be chain drive after all) Marauder Warhawk | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
I just hope whoever EB ends up working with will give him more free range of ideas and be more geared towards sport bikes and a sport touring bike. And mostly hope Erik does great and makes HD corporate look like idiots. | ||
| Xb9er |
IM READY IM READY IM READY! | ||
| Greg_e |
Pretty sure I remember reading something about it using the X series Sportster engine which is where the X comes from with the B being the Buell derivative (more power). Court, any official word on the naming conventions? | ||
| Vortec57 |
Erik had lots of talk of ideas he wants to incoporate into street bikes in the near future at MMP. Just the need of sponsors/investors to get things off the ground. I for one if I had the cash would be throwing a lump his way. As soon as he makes a new street bike and I'm out of school I'll be getting myself a new graduation present.... Air cooled/liquid cooled, v twin or 4 cylinder. Whatever Erik builds it will be cool | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
Xb9er, you got this stuck in my head! | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
I've been looking at Ducati lately. I know exactly what you mean, Glitch. I have been loving my 2005 Ducati 999S to death. Just an all around great bike. In fact, I have been completely ignoring Lil' Blackie, and inspite of attempts at reconciliation, divorce looms large:-). I have also ridden some of the air cooled models, and the 2003 and later Supersports are real sleepers. With a nice Terblanche designed fairing, adjustable suspension, and an updated 1000cc dual spark 95 hp motor, you got a real canyon carver at relatively reasonable price. A lot of Ducatis have very low mileage: often bought for their looks and status by guys who aren't real riders. My 2005 had 2200 miles on it when I got it this spring. Downside is expensive parts, and relatively more expensive valve adjustments, but they can be done on the two valve models at home, once you get the hang of it. Besides that, the bike is pretty easy to work on.  |
