| Author | Message | ||
     Ztferrari |
We would have Group Prayers before football games back in 2002. I caused a ruckus to the administrator and this trickled down to the coach. Apparently he was very religious (but I'm not) and took this as a personal insult. He did not like me very much after that. I still think I did the right thing. I don't feel like I should be ostracized for my beliefs. Prayer should be allowed in schools but not led by teachers. It's not their place to spread their "beliefs". | ||
| 86129squids |
Hex- no kidding?! I studied Dr. Smith's book, still have it in my library of chaos... Iman, do a parallel study on labeling theory, to pass the time. "Jesus is Just Allright With Me", as the Doobie Brothers once said...  | ||
| Hootowl |
"It's not their place to spread their "beliefs"." Absolutely. I wish that would apply to other things as well, like environmentalism and politics. | ||
| Glitch |
I think it's a shame the ACLU, and the "Freedom from Religion" people get in the way of Religious History. It's a great course, even if you aren't a religious person, a good class gives lots of insight on different cultures. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Let me rephrase: Verbal prayer should not be sanctioned by any public school Agreed. Nor should it be prohibited. This is why I specified recess periods as being appropriate for this activity. School time is for learning. Should it be for learning about the Bible and it's subject matter? Sure, as an elective class. | ||
| Drkside79 |
I see no problem with an elective religious studies as long as it was academic and was a study of religious impact and focused on as many religions as possible not one or two. By the way I am finally over a 100 posts woo hoo for me. and yes i know some of you are well over 10 to 30 times that. (Message edited by drkside79 on May 11, 2010) | ||
| B00stzx3 |
In your free time, do as you want! No problem with teacher, faculty, students organizing somewhere to pray. Whether to God, jewish God, Allah or Lord Xenu, who cares. I even think the ACLU should STFU about 10 Commandent statues and such. Don't they got better things to be doing... | ||
| Blake |
"Free time" has nothing to do with the issue and is not mentioned in our constitution. Since originally proposed by Ben Franklin and then adopted through unanimous approval, Congress to this day opens with prayer. | ||
| Ztferrari |
Hootowl, I just saw you're from Spring - I live in the woodlands! We should go ride 149 sometime. | ||
| Hootowl |
I'm basically in The Woodlands too. I live on a dead end that opens into Spring, but I'm above The Woodlands line. Woodlands lots etc., just not technically Woodlands. Riding is out for me for a while. Forks need to be rebuilt. I haven't ridden in a while. In fact, I need to go trough the whole bike since it has been sitting for so long. Going to put a Penske on it while I'm at it. Between work and the addition I'm building, everything else has fallen by the wayside. | ||
| Hootowl |
I would very much be interested in taking you up on that though, if my bike were running. Perhaps one day soon. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
Iman- are you asking if religion should be taught or practiced in school. Two very different things. I don't think religion should be practiced BY the school If a student wishes to practice their religion that is their choice. As far as teaching religion, how can you teach history without religion? Religion has been involved in almost all early wars, been a basis for ruling, it's intertwinded with most of history. There is a difference in study religion for religios reasons and studying as it pertains to history. | ||
| Hex |
Only problem with Western Civilization courses is the Western part. | ||
| Slaughter |
History without religion? YES! Religion without history? NO! | ||
| Blake |
"Religion has been involved in almost all early wars" Myth. | ||
| Hex |
How has the geography of religion evolved over the centuries, and where has it sparked wars? Our map gives us a brief history of the world's most well-known religions: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism. Selected periods of inter-religious bloodshed are also highlighted. Want to see 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds? Ready, Set, Go! http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.h tml | ||
| Drkside79 |
Come on Blake how can you call that a myth. | ||
| Hex |
Come on guys, let's call in the MythBusters to solve this riddle. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Saying that religion played a part in every war is like saying that men and women played a part in every war. Economics played a part in every war too. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
"Religion has been involved in almost all early wars" Myth. ok, without facts to back up my statement I'll change that to many wars. | ||
| Slaughter |
Blake and I are POLAR OPPOSITES on religion discussions but LOOK deeper into religious wars and you will find POWER. Religion(s) were where the POWER was back in the day. They had the infrastructure, the communication and they indeed had the warriors. It has ALWAYS been about power. People with an axe to grind about religion always seen that as their personal boogeyman. It is now and has always been about POWER. | ||
| Hex |
Ideological Darwinism. Might makes right. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Religion could also be used for oppression... see Northern Ireland. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Wars are wars. Evil men cloaking them in religion doesn't make them "religious wars". If soldiers wear red uniforms and go into battle, it isn't the fault of the uniform that they go. Calling the war a "red uniform war isn't factually accurate. I agree, though, that the issue at the core of war is power. | ||
| Blake |
Slaughter as usual speaks truth. Thank you Steve, or is it "Stephen", that biblical dude. Stephen hmmm... Like miraculously self-healing after a horrendous high speed crash, then returning to the scene, and going on to win races? hmmmmm... Kinda gives you chills don't it.  Thomas (2008xb12scg), "I'll change that to many wars." Still a myth. See Slaughter's comments. The only wars that you might rightly ascribe to religion are the crusades and those initiated by the islamist fascists, and even in those cases the idea was religion as state and greed for ever more state power, just as Slaughter stated so well. American Revolutionary war, not about religion. French Revolution, not about religion. American Civil war, not about religion. War of 1812, not about religion. Mexican American war, not about religion. WW-I, not about religion. WW-II not about religion. Korean war, not about religion. Vietnam war, not about religion. As far as I know, we are not demanding that anyone in Iraq or Afghanistan renounce Islam or take up Christianity or any other religious belief, so on our end at least, those wars are not about religion. But yeah, all the wars started by militant islamist jihadists, they are indeed about religion. Ya got me there. Do they constitute a majority of the war in history? Hmmm, maybe recent history. I guess you do indeed have a point then. But it would most accurately be stated that "Islamism is responsible for many wars in recent times." | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Even the Islamic jihadist driven wars we are currently in are not even really religious wars. Evil people bent upon securing power are using Islam to benefit themselves. Most of the time when we catch up to the leaders of Al Quaeda, we don't find them in pious prayer to Allah. We usually find them drunk in a strip club. These aren't true believers. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
Blake let me see if I understand you guys right. If someone is fighting a war in the name of religion, but it's about power, it's not a religious war? If that is the case, maybe almost no wars have been fought for religion. I always figured even the crusades where about power. Religion was often times used (I think) as a tool to control people. I'm not putting down religion btw, the inherent flaw in religion is almost always man. But back to my point, there is a difference between teaching religion as it relates to history in an unbiased way, and teaching religion (think sunday school). | ||
| Hex |
To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities occurred. http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
To deny that Hitler wrote Mein Kampf for the purposes of political propaganda is to fail to recognize that statements written therein were meant more for mass consumption than for actual insight into his beliefs. “Among the secret societies burgeoning in Germany immediately after World War I...the Vril Society and the Thule Society, otherwise known as the ‘Thule Gesellschaft’ seem most clearly to have given birth to the Hitler movement.” - The Occult and the Third Reich What drove Hitler most wasn't Christianity but the occult. Clothing himself in Christianity and Catholicism made him more acceptable to religious conservatives. (Message edited by ft_bstrd on May 12, 2010) | ||
| Hex |
Christianity, Judaism, and the Occult, all seem like RELIGIOUS motivators to me. |
