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     Xb12xmike |
Geeze man... just saw some pink lady agreeing with this website. She also thinks that the current R.O.E. are still too loose?!?!?! sigh. | ||
| 03fatboy |
I am in Iraq now with an aircraft unit. We can be many miles out and in no direct danger of small arms fire or RPG, but it is called close air support. The protection of ground troops from possible attack. Same when people planting IEDs are taken out from miles away, protecting allied assets is the immediate goal. That camera crew was doing things they shouldn't have been and the Apache crew provided the close air support that they were assigned to provide. Until the naysayers are in that situation they will never understand, and people like those soldiers give them the freedom to say what they will. It is part of the knife edge they walk everyday. I agree people forget 9/11 so soon. If these terrorists were in our backyard because we didn't bring the fight to their country people would sing a different tune. | ||
| Buellinmke |
Stupid liberals always forget that Iraq attacked us on 09/11/2001. | ||
| Dmmblaze |
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 fatboy. They had no WMD either which was the supposed primary reason for invading Iraq. If anything, the war in Iraq has produced more terrorists who hate the U.S... | ||
| Dmmblaze |
Buellinmke, al-Qaeda attacked us on 9/11. Saying Iraq attacked us is like saying all muslim countries attacked us.. so let us see here... Time to invade, Iran, Egypt, India, Pakistan,... should I keep on going? | ||
| 03fatboy |
Well no where in my post did I say Iraq caused 9/11, correct me if I am wrong. But there is without a doubt terrorist elements here, and we are here under orders of our commander in chief presently Obama to be here. The point I made is if the terrorists that are here in Iraq and other countries were in your backyard blowing up your car and family that people might see things differently. Or maybe if you lost a family member or friend in the 9/11 attack you might see that bringing the fight to the grounds of another country instead of letting them come to us like they did might be wise. | ||
| Hootowl |
Actually... If you look at the timeline, Iraq invaded Kuwait, we booted them out, staged troops in Saudi. Bin Laden started his war with America because there were US troops in Saudi Arabia. So you could say Iraq caused 9/11, but not that it was responsible for it. Please don't make us all rehash the WMD argument. That has been beaten to death. | ||
| Dmmblaze |
Ok, so your really saying Americans caused 9/11 Hootowl not Iraq. Whatever spin you want to put on it, ideology caused 9/11 and will continue to create terrorist's bent on not just Americans destruction but other western nations. Invading Iraq under false pretenses has only served to bolster the anti-american terrorist movement. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
false pretenses Dear Lord.  | ||
| Hootowl |
You must not have read all those UN resolutions authorizing force if they didn't abide by the terms of the ceasefire they signed. Much like our legislature, they must not have read it before they signed it either. I suppose if you're someone who blames America first, that is the message you would take away from my post. Or perhaps you didn't read the first part of the sentence, where Iraq invades Kuwait. WMD or no, we should have invaded. We should have done it the very first time he fired on our aircraft after the ceasefire was signed. | ||
| Pwnzor |
ideology caused 9/11 You hit the nail right on the head there, Dmmblaze. Terrorist freedom-hating jerks and their ideals are EXACTLY what caused 9-11. People (if you can call them that) who hate freedom took the lives of thousands of unsuspecting people that day. We don't sit here lobbing rockets at Canada because it's the "Holy Land". We don't plan to blow airplanes out of the sky or crash them into buildings because we don't agree with someone elses' policies. No, we use our words and logic, and when all else fails we use our bombs and rockets to kill all who would do us harm. Yes, people sometimes die needlessly, but it's not intentional. There's the difference buddy. Think about that for 5 minutes then go pray to the East. Maybe Muhammad will forgive murderers, but my God doesn't. Damn right. Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Exodus 21:14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die. | ||
| Dmmblaze |
Well hey, If Bush just would have let us all know 10 days after he took office (like he did his aides) that he wanted to find a way to overthrow Saddam in Iraq I would have been cool with it. We need an uninterrupted source of cheap oil after all. I'm just pissed that they had all this time to plan on getting oil there and oil hasn't dropped in price. What good was that pentagon document and study "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield contracts" dated march 5th 2001. All that happened is the price of Oil has skyrocketed since the war. hmmm, maybe that was part of Bushes plan....why else make crap up to justify a war that had started to be planned even before 9/11?? | ||
| 03fatboy |
False pretenses until a terrorist act happens on American soil, then it would be why aren't we fighting terrorism world wide instead of letting it happen here? When people can sit in their nice comfy arm chair and not worry about car bombs and snipers and what ever terrorist tactic, they can pass judgement ignorantly getting information from CNN (Communist News Network) or in this case Rueters and taking it all for thruths. I am with you Ft_bstrd  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I love how the justified resumption of war after repeated acts of hostility by Iraq against the US, continued funding of terrorism, and continued refusal to abide COMPLETELY with more UN resolutions than you could count is somehow treated like the US invaded the peace loving peoples of British Columbia. It's not even worth arguing over any more. | ||
| Hootowl |
Yeah, why haven't we pillaged the oil fields yet? Where's my free oil? I want my free oil! It's silly when you say it out loud isn't it? News flash: The US has been planning to invade Iraq since George Bush 1. Clinton did, GWB did. They're called contingency plans. We have plans to invade every country on Earth, including our allies. That doesn't mean we intend to do it. In the case of Iraq, we did. Clinton wanted to, but thought diplomacy might prevail. It didn't. | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Ft_bstrd |
Well hey, If Bush just would have let us all know 10 days after he took office (like he did his aides) that he wanted to find a way to overthrow Saddam in Iraq I would have been cool with it. No. No you wouldn't. If that were true, you would realize that it wasn't Bush's choice whether to work toward regime change in Iraq but was rather THE LAW OF THE LAND. Are you familiar with The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998: Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 | ||
| Dmmblaze |
It is worth arguing, because our troops are dying waging a war that at its roots was not about terrorism. If you people want to justify a needless war in Iraq to sleep better I suppose it's good you have FOX news to fall asleep to. Just because the Iraq war has spawned more terrorism and now we have to continue to fight there doesn't mean it was the right thing to do back in 2003. I am all for killing terrorists, but not under false pretenses. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hootowl, I agree. The first violation of the cease fire, I would have destroyed every palace ( starting with the one Saddam was guessed to be in ) until a new head of state called from a bunker in Baghdad, offering to cooperate in a surrender. Too bad Clinton didn't ask me. Some people have a real issue understanding bad guys and the concept of evil. They have learned, from somewhere, a sense of moral relativism that is false, suicidal, and deliberately induced by evil men. In a nutshell. If you kill children & women non-combatants by choice, you are evil. If you use hate to gain your ends, you are evil. ( Bush the younger, used fear, Quite justified fear, but never ever called on Americans to hate Islam. He went out of his way to excuse that religion for the evil done in it's name. Repeatedly. I can't say the same for a certain politician that recently used class envy and IMHO hatred to gain power. but, that's off topic, sorry...) Hiding behind women & children is evil. Strapping bombs on children is evil. Teaching that suicide bombing is the highest form of grace....is evil. If you lie about you goals, and actions, so that you can do them without opposition, that's evil. Slavery is evil. Imposing your religion upon others is evil. You might be able to add a few of your own... But, absolutely, certainly, fer sure, killing the civilian population of a country to force political change is fraking evil. Period Fraking dot. Stack them like cordwood. Good luck & blessings. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
was not about terrorism Please explain this odd conclusion? You do remember this, right? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm | ||
| Dmmblaze |
I said that crap facetiously guys.. hahahaha | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Sure sounded like it. | ||
| Dmmblaze |
News flash Hootowl, the U.N. stated from their point of view the invasion of Iraq was illegal. When did the U.N support the war? As to the free oil... well, I guess that went over your head too... | ||
| Aesquire |
False pretenses? I agree. That would be an "overseas contingency operation" to fight "man made disasters" right? ....because our troops are dying waging a war that at its roots was not about terrorism. I guess you missed the memo. We beat Saddam. He was tried, and executed by his former subjects who are now free citizens, with a ( admittedly crappy ) representative govt. ( but a better crappy one than anyone else in the region, except, maybe, Israel ) That war was over years ago. Over. Heck Obama just took credit for winning! ( not "victory" he doesn't like that word ) Every casualty sustained since the defeat of Saddam has been caused by terrorists. ( not counting HMMV accidents, they happen in peacetime too ) By an enormous margin, Most of the people killed in Iraq were murdered by AQ & bathist's thugs. You have been lied to, by evil people. Learn better. | ||
| Pwnzor |
I said that crap facetiously guys.. hahahaha Said the guy who has exhausted his wit to argue the point.} | ||
| Aesquire |
Obama will give you the free oil. Out of his stash. | ||
| Dmmblaze |
How didn't it sound like it Ft? Who in their right mind can be fine with a President that ignored facts and sent our troops off to die for oil.... My point was, if Bush had been honest from the start, we never would have invaded Iraq... What repeated acts of hostility towards us by Iraq do you speak of? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
the U.N. stated from their point of view the invasion of Iraq was illegal The U.N. has no authority to make that statement. When did the U.N support the war? What does it matter if the U.N. supports the war or not? | ||
| Dmmblaze |
I haven't even begun to argue my point Pwnzor. Though the hilarity of the denseness regarding an obviously facetious comment is kinda funny. | ||
| Dmmblaze |
I never said it mattered, though Hootowl commented on the UN and how apparently what they had to say mattered... |
