| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Some actual facts from FoxNews.com and the AP:
Char, I'd agree that if not for the collapse of the mortgage/loan industry our current prez might be an old white haired guy and our VP a moose shooting chick from AK. I don't know enough of all the presidents to make any kind of proclamation about "worst" or the like. From my perspective though, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, and Clinton were all worse. Bush seems like the worst to some, why? Because the media and the far left told us so? What did he do that was worse than LBJ and vietnam, 50,000+ dead for a lost war? Another debate for another topic maybe.  "The average American is not that smart..." I'd say many Americans are uninformed of the whole truth, of all the pertinent facts. A perfect example is my friend Rocco who posted the other day that he doesn't understand why pro-tort-reform people would want to limit medical malpractice lawsuit awards to just $250K even in cases of wrongful death. I think he's uninformed. I don't think he has been informed that the $250K limit is only applicable to the "punitive" damages portion and that the lion's share of damages awarded may well be determined from tangible losses, that can add up well into the seven figures arena. He's a bright guy, just living life to the fullest and not getting all the pertinent information thanks to wildly politicized mass media. "...and the average retirement age religious right is not very bright either." What about the religious left? What about the secular/statist atheist left? Sorry, you've lost me on the religious right. What are they doing to threaten us? You talking about the islamists? I don't think many Americans understand how far our constitution's intended meaning has been eroded. I'm finally starting to appreciate the issue. (Message edited by blake on March 05, 2010) | ||
| Reindog |
I would have received a whooping if I came home with grades like that. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
I like camping.  Now that I think about it...we do like us some camping. Dayum spring can't come soon enough... | ||
| Hootowl |
"I don't think many Americans understand how far our constitution's intended meaning has been eroded. I'm finally starting to appreciate the issue." Me too. Thanks to 200+ years of jurisprudence, it may be too late. | ||
| Hex |
I'm pro-Tort reform. | ||
| P_squared |
The average American is not that smart... and the average retirement age religious right is not very bright either. Charlotte, a person could take that in a not so "positive" way if they grew up in Nebraska (aka "Flyover country") and spent a little time in uniform. Seems I've met & spent a lot of time with "average" Americans in my life, some of them from the "religious right" and around retirement age. If you listen to them long enough in regular conversation, you might be surprised by how bright some of them really are. They’re the “slow talking” fellows I used to have coffee with in the mornings as a young kid before school. There's a reason why most snipers are of the "slow talking" mold. They don't let emotions rule them, and they tend to think before they speak. If you think they're "not that smart" you might want to consider what it takes to do ballistics calculations in your head for a 175 gr. bullet, .308 caliber (BC = .495), leaving the muzzle at 2,600 fps, traveling 613 meters to the target in 3 different crosswinds (5 knots at 1 o’clock @ 74 meters, 15 knots at 3 o’clock at 230 meters & 10 knots at 11 o’clock at 450 meters) at a decline of 10 degrees. Nope, not smart at all. Just saying you might want to rethink that assessment/statement.  | ||
| Hex |
I would have received a whooping if I came home with grades like that. My parents would have considered the source. | ||
| Whatever |
P... Blake has a thoughtful response and yours seems reactionary and way off center... what does my opinion of certain religion persuasion have to do with calculating ballistics metrics? I am a scientist trained at the consistently 3rd ranking university in US. That does not make me smarter than other people. Oh, I could launch into a discussion of kinematic matrix algebra theory... but that does not make me smart. I read A LOT and I form my own opinions and I have thoughts behind my beliefs coming from my own experience... that makes me smart. Me thinks so anyhow, duh!  (Message edited by Whatever on March 05, 2010) | ||
| Hootowl |
Fully half of all Americans are of below average intelligence. Think about it. | ||
| Blake |
More intellectual dishonesty... "Is ... Fear of "socialism" unpleasant reality, or a conveniently motivated theory?" I don't know anyone who fears Socialism. I love freedom. I hate anything that limits it in the way of stifling my unalienable rights to life, liberty and to pursue happiness.
The current consensus of the governed is that 70%+ of us oppose the socialization of health care as proposed by the majority party in congress and by the executive. Yet our government is seeking to ram their socialization plan down our throats. It is wrong. Fear of "big government" unpleasant reality, or a conveniently motivated theory? Again, not fear of big government, but rather loathing for it by definition is 100% antithetical to liberty, our unalienable right. "Fear of "elitism" unpleasant reality, or a conveniently motivated UTOPIAN theory?" Again, not fear, but rather disdain and loathing for the arrogant pie-in-the-sky pontificating of social theory, just endless emotionally driven pablum. We respect the folks who are actually out working to make a difference. "It's all politics all the time. The right uses fear as a motivator." Can't deny that. Are you denying that the left does likewise? From my view, they are the worst purveyors of fear mongering. See global warming. At least the right winger fear-mongers have some compelling evidence to support their case, al qaeda's declaration of jihad, the dozens and dozens of islamist terrorist attacks, 9/11. So, the fearmongering on the right is designed to... what? Help defeat violent islamist ideology? Defend freedom? The fearmongering on the left is designed to, what... save the planet? The whales?  . Fearmongering on making certain types/stages of abortion illegal is going to save... who? While millions of unborn babies are brutally, horrifically slaughtered? | ||
| Reindog |
My parents would have considered the source. After your parents conferenced with me for only a few minutes, they would invite me to get a few paddle whacks in after they were done tanning your hide. | ||
| Hex |
Hex breaks out in song: "I am my own Grandpa!..." | ||
| Blake |
"Fear of..." Just more intellectual dishonesty in my view. You're inventing "fears" that don't exist in an attempt to belittle your political opponents. Case in point... "Is ... Fear of "socialism" unpleasant reality, or a conveniently motivated theory?" I don't know anyone who fears Socialism. I love freedom. I hate anything that limits it in the way of stifling my unalienable rights to life, liberty and to pursue happiness.
The current consensus of the governed is that 70%+ of us oppose the socialization of health care as proposed by the majority party in congress and by the executive. Yet our government is seeking to ram their socialization plan down our throats. It is wrong. Fear of "big government" unpleasant reality, or a conveniently motivated theory? Again, not fear of big government, but rather loathing for it by definition is 100% antithetical to liberty, our unalienable right. "Fear of "elitism" unpleasant reality, or a conveniently motivated UTOPIAN theory?" Again, not fear, but rather disdain and loathing for the arrogant pie-in-the-sky pontificating of social theory, just endless emotionally driven pablum. We respect the folks who are actually out working to make a difference. "It's all politics all the time. The right uses fear as a motivator." Can't deny that. Are you denying that the left does likewise? From my view, they are the worst purveyors of fear mongering. See global warming. At least the right winger fear-mongers have some compelling evidence to support their case, al qaeda's declaration of jihad, the dozens and dozens of islamist terrorist attacks, 9/11... So, the fear-mongering on the right is designed to... what? Help defeat violent islamist ideology? Defend freedom? Make Dick Cheney more wealthy? The fearmongering on the left is designed to, what... save the snail darter?... trees?... the whales?... the planet? . Fearmongering on making certain types/stages of abortion illegal is going to save... who while millions of unborn babies are brutally, horrifically slaughtered? | ||
| Aesquire |
Grounded for life. Corporal punishment was out of style for most in his age group. You conservatives just don't understand. "liberals believe that the American govt. is racist, imperialistic, militaristic, and corrupt. And should now take control of our economic system & health care." "liberals believe that we spend far too much money on the American military and should be more like the Europeans who spend more on social programs and much less on defense, because they are protected by the American military." "liberals believe capitalism is a great evil and if we keep it up the Earth will become very hot, and cold and rainy and arid and the seas will rise and dry up and all the polar bears will die, and...no really they believe this, I'm serious! I'm trying to educate you people here, stop laughing at me." "liberals believe Black people must be treated differently than white people, because they've suffered so terribly at the hands of those who treated them differently than white people." "liberals believe that conservatives are fascist, racist, teabagging pigs, and that our political discourse needs to be more civil." "liberals are absolutely certain that corporations are inherently corrupt, a threat to our freedom and a drain on our way of life. Because they read this in the New York Times, on their I-pads, at Starbucks." http://www.pjtv.com/video/Klavan_on_Culture/Libera lism_Exposed%3A_Beyond_the_Elitist%2C_Preening_Ame rica-Hating_Stereotypes/3155/ | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Support your right to bear arms.  Must be winter on a Buell forum....this thread needs more b00bage, stat! (Message edited by b00stzx3 on March 05, 2010) | ||
| P_squared |
Wasn't being reactionary, was trying to nicely point out that classifying a group of Americans as being "not so smart" doesn't seem the smartest thing to me. My point in that long winded post was that I met a guy in the Marines that everyone was convinced was as dumb as a box of rocks. Not because of anything he did or didn't say, but because he was nice and "average." The guy could figure out where to place his shot everytime, 1st time, all by running the calculations in his head. Myself personally, I don't think a "dumb" or even "average" person can run those calculations without the help of a pen & paper and/or calculator. The lesson I learned from that is that sometimes I make broad brush strokes in classifying a group of folks I think are “dumb” when in fact they aren’t. It’s that whole “appearances can be deceiving” bit. I try not to do it, but I still fail from time to time. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hex's parents approach to childrearing is a matter of speculation. In my child's eye, there were 2 kinds of parents, those who automatically denied that their little angel would ever do such a thing.... and mine, who would promptly turn to me and ask me why I did it. If I didn't do it and could prove it, they'd believe me. Or if I was repentant, forgiveness might happen. ( I think they are still angry about the bulldozer. I did do it, I did not deny it, and was unrepentant as the damage was not done by me. not a happy combination...) Observation of my peers showed that those who got automatic denial of wrong doing from parents were the most violent, evil wretches in my universe. Like I said, we have no knowledge of Hex's upbringing, but it is unlikely that his parents would beat him. ( the book in the pants trick only works once, damhik ) | ||
| Hootowl |
Multiple pairs of underwear don't either.  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
And now for your moment of zen....  the only thing that keeps me warm, is that spring and summer bring out the swim wear we now return you to your regularly scheduled rant about jello minded americans | ||
| Hex |
In postings on Wikipedia and other Web sites, Mr. Bedell came across as an educated and technologically proficient man with strong libertarian leanings, an anger toward the U.S. government, and a belief that far-reaching conspiracies were behind events as big as the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and as small as the disputed 1991 death of a Marine colonel. Wall Street Journal http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487039 15204575103131123111518.html?mod=rss_Today's_Most_Popular | ||
| Sifo |
The really sad thing is that there is actually "press" that is trying to call a registered Democrat, 9-11 truther a "right wing extremest". Where is Baghdad Bob when you need him?  | ||
| Aesquire |
He envisioned the plants being used as a part of a new monetary system tied to the value of a gram of cannabis Ok, since the progressives of the 1930's took away your right to own gold, a renewable resource of wealth has some attraction. ( years later it's legal again...just wait for the new melting to come ) Gold, or platinum, any mineral, has by nature a limited amount available. A grown commodity, (like tulip bulbs) makes more sense in a world of growing wealth. Let's see, 9/11 demolition ( lefty weird ) drug running under govt. control ( lefty weird ) secret cabals of overwhelming power ( truth for/from both sides ) Vietnam & Iraq as deliberate failures to distract us from the REAL conspiracy.... Hard to tell which flavor of nut we have here...mostly nut. ( possibly acorn? ) | ||
| Sifo |
strong libertarian leanings Hex, Libertarian leanings is neither right or left leaning. FAIL! | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
I have known this from, oh, let us say Mid December of 2001. It is not new to me one bit. The average American is not that smart... and the average retirement age religious right is not very bright either. I distinctly remember you telling us obama was a constitutionalist or someone who supported the constitution. Maybe you said that because you thought most of your audience was not that bright. Anyhow, you might as well called all of my grandparents and parents a worthless American with your statement above. Iam not religious myself and cant stand preachy people but I do religiously dislike people who make statements like yours. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I think you're all nuts  (Message edited by rocketsprink on March 05, 2010) | ||
| Whatever |
Gee Johnny... I missed my shadow so much... welcome back! Maybe your grandparents and parents are above the average? It is your own choice to take my opinions however you like...  | ||
| Sifo |
I think if Bush were not the worst POTUS ever, that Obama would not have had a chance to get elected. As long as your are being shadowed... Last time I saw you say that about Bush I pointed out Jimmy Carter. You said you weren't aware of him because you weren't that old. You've been made aware so you can't claim ignorance anymore. It's willful disregard for reality. I guess that's what keep the left on track though. | ||
| Glitch |
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| Johnnymceldoo |
Your shadow? Since when have I ever shown up in one of your self pity threads? | ||
| Whatever |
I don't think Carter was a bad president... and he has done more for peace since his presidency than any of the sitting POTUSs since... so there... I bet you think FDR was horrible too... Two shadows now... oooh I feel the love... |
