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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's the common misconception that big things can only come from big companies.

The same mindset that only the government can solve your problems.


Ever heard of one of these?



My friend works for the company. They have less than 100 people.

They were told that using a .50 Cal round was impossible, that it would kill the operator, that there was no way the power could be harnessed for accuracy.

Guess they were wrong.

Now they generate revenues in excess of $200,000 per employee.

Annually.
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Court
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>>I would like to go through and find where you inferred he (justa4banger) was not being honest

Let us know when you get that done. I think all you'll find is that I was polite and offered to be of help.

I think your buddy put some words in your mouth.

Feel free to apologize to me when you go back and read.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Please, all, do not respond to the trolls!
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Blake
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dale,

You are way out of line, again, just more evidence to support the flaming jackass accusation.

"where you and blake called justa4banger a liar because the results didn't match what you wanted to see."

That is simply untrue. You owe Court and me an apology. Sean used to be my friend. I cannot abide a "friend" who cannot keep his word to me or honor my simple, polite requests concerning a Buell enthusiasts' web forum.

(Message edited by blake on March 01, 2010)
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No_rice
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And the owner of a tiny Iowa machine shop, racing part-time, couldn't possibly set a national record.

where at in iowa? what shop? just wondering cause thats my home ground.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

People working out of their home garage set national records all the time.
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Oldog
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ray Munro

this is totaly miserable,

thanks annony for sharing the data, not all dennizens of the BW are haters and skeptics,

BTW I dynoed my old bike dead on the money at 87 hp peak ( best of 3) corrects to 101 102 at the crank IIRC, A dyno is sorta like measuring watch parts with a yard stick, it gives you an idea.....

my 1125 is to meet the dyno soon, I have enough sense not to travel public roads at 1125R wfo speeds and I want to listen to the engine reach 10-500 there is a noise I hear above 7k I want to try and find.

thanks for great bikes BFFB
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"I am not, nor have I been in 10 year, a moderator and have no "cool search thing". It's simply that what I am saying exists, and what you are claiming does not." -- Court

It's always entertaining when someone decides a magic search tool was used to find the truth : ).
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's always entertaining when someone decides a magic search tool was used to find the truth

And if the truth were found by a magic search tool is it any less the truth?
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No_rice
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

People working out of their home garage set national records all the time.

that i do know, but if its close enough to my home grounds im always up for seeing something cool : ) to me it doesnt matter if its in a barn.......
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Court
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

"I am not, nor have I been in 10 year, a moderator and have no "cool search thing". It's simply that what I am saying exists, and what you are claiming does not." -- Court




Turns out I WAS WRONG.

IT has been brought to my attention that I was a Moderator a mere 4 years ago.

I stand corrected.

The rest of my statement is accurate and stands.

I never once said anything to Kevin that was not a request to simply know more or an offer to help.

Dat's a fack jack . . .

I do confess . . . as a result of the responses I got to my offer of help . . that ranged from calling me names to insulting my service in the USMC . . . that I've pretty much shut down the "Magic Help Shop" for people with Buell problems and have crafted a standard "Call your Harley-Davidson dealer" response.
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Spank
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

With BMC being all but gone now, that does suck Court, but I completely understand the reasoning! Sometimes you can offer a person a boat in a flood, but somehow it just isn't enough....
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Gregtonn
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Tim,
Don't really know why I should reply to someone flipping me the bird. Is that supposed to be cool or something?

Radar's machine shop is just south of Cedar Falls. I've been there several times but I don't know if it even has a name.

G
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Your fault for clicking on his profile ; )
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F_skinner
Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I completely understand the reasoning!



Plus 1000
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Jetbuilder
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 02:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I wish the Idiots who think they know more than EBR here would just go out and develop there own world class motorcycles/engines and race to a championship or just shut the F.....k up!!!!! I am sick of the retards on this site questioning every piece of data EBR provides us! Every time he is kind enough to provide us with info some prick decides to question its accuracy! Go away please, you are screwing it up for the rest of us who actually want to learn something.
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Cataract2
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm with the above. +1
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Liquorwhere
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>BLAKE the more i read your silly comment on the other thread the more it pisses me off.

It really shouldn't. I never let comments on the internet . . .the place where midgets claim to be NBA stars . . upset me. Life's too short. Blake's comments, PRECISELY like yours . . . we no more than opinion. Rise above the urge to argue and support what you are saying with empirical facts.

Here . . with all due respect . . are a few of my questions and I'm going to say right up front that I DO NOT KNOW IF YOUR RESULTS ARE ACCURATE AND I AM NOT QUESTIONING THEM.

I see you showed up here on Badweb about 3 months ago?

How long have you been tuning Buells?

What are your qualifications? (Again, I simply don't know and you are asking 15,000 folks to take what you say as gospel) . . this is kinda important and you may, from time to time, when someone asks about my impression of a motorcycle, see me quote that I've been riding Buells for about 23 years and have ridden in 44 states on Buells. It just gives them a sense that I'm not 3 months into this and trying to make a comparison I'm ill equipped to make.

Did you pay for the parts? (I always ask this because when I was testing professionally I either bought the parts myself or, when the test was complete, returned them) Tests with free parts are not tests, they are advertisements.

You kinda (although my jury is still kinda out on this) soured the thing when you not only asked for money but started chastising folks for not sending it quicker. Again . . this is not a bad thing . . but (and this is the reason I NEVER charge anyone for any of the Buell stuff I send) money complicates all things.

How would you respond if 15 other folks all had very similar finding that were just the opposite of yours?

Again . . . . the above are just my thoughts. No intention whatsoever to call you or your work into question. I am aware of a number (it's about 15) of folks who have used the same combination you have and have reported different results.

You may answer if you wish. It may comfort some that your motives are pure.

Buell, I am quite certain, will not be responding publicly . . . . no manufacturer would. There are simply too many variables.

What you may not too . . . because it would serve neither your effort or the thread . . is argue with me. I'm out of this thread but my PERSONAL OPINION (again based on 23 years of being around Buells and performance motorcycles) is that you have created many more questions than you have answered.

As we say in construction . . . . . something JUST DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.

Again . . . I am out of this discussion. Just my thoughts.


Just making sure we get the entire comment, you definitely imply he is not being honest and you question his qualifications because of the 15000 folks shouldn't take the sheets he posted as gospel.

Then Hellgate posted:
I disagree Court. J4B had been very transparent with his tests and results. I also know that he knows engines and didn't just fall off of the turnip truck. Three months on BW has nothing to do with his knowledge of motors and tuning. All that means it he's been a member for three months.

As far a an experience opposite of 15 others, that hasn't happened here. J4B is the first person, to my knowledge, to dyno the this particular ECM configuration and provide the data he has.

As far as 23 year of tuning Buells, that doesn't not apply here as this motor is closer to an Aprilia than any Buell.

Like many "bolt-on" parts that the aftermarket sells the hype may not live up to actual experience.

I'm curious to see how EBR replies/supports their customer base; eg: J4B.

Cheers,

Pete


Because you like to post what other people wrote about you, here is some more. So here is your post:

>>>J4B is the first person, to my knowledge, to dyno the this particular ECM configuration and provide the data he has.

Again . . you are precisely correct. I can say with absolute certainty that he is the first to post results on Badweb. Why the other 50 of so folks who have bought the same ECM have neither posted results nor complained, I do not know. I do know, as I stated that there have been a number of glowing reports.


Another post above where you go after someone for pointing out that you are attacking the guy for posting his results because 50 other people that didn't post up results must be right instead of his results...granted later he posted that he needed to change some of his testing procedures, still haven't seen a follow up to dispute the numbers...M.

Court, What I decide to put in the open is my call. I used to have a full profile out there but I decide to take it down. Unless of course it is a requirement?

And I registered a year ago, not last week.

Obviously you don't recall the phone call we had about a year ago. You were praising my service in Iraqi with the Army. You told me you and your father were patriotic and watch John Wayne movies which made you feel in touch with those of us who have actually pulled a trigger.

I guess this is what you are talking about with respect to you time in the Corps, I don't do that personally, if you served you served, thank you for it.

Blake now on to you:

"MY ECM in its current state is GARBAGE... Can we all agree on that..."

I sure wouldn't agree to that. You seem intent on insult and derision rather than productive rational discussion. I frankly don't have much faith in anything you state given your malicious attitude and desire to pull others into your dim view. It speaks to an agenda other than motorcycle tuning.

And again you post:
My experience with disgruntled types who jump to publicly berating a product is pretty conclusive. I've not known any that are trustworthy sources of objective, rational information.

I don't know any that I'd care to sell anything too, ever.



That definitely implies you are calling his intentions and his truthfulness into question. The sheet he posted and Mikezx9r posted were complete sheets, good info, stuff that should have been welcomed and then used as a tool to find more power for all of us, instead personal attacks, just like the one on me perpetrated by you in this thread, also since you are so fond of calling people liars as of late I felt it warranted, what exactly did you call Mikezx9r in another thread?

I think that sums of the "I owe apologies to you and Court" as one big Hell NO! But thanks for asking. Have a good day folks!

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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I stated "My experience with disgruntled types who jump to publicly berating a product is pretty conclusive. I've not known any that are trustworthy sources of objective, rational information."

You state that I and Court called the man a liar.

We did no such thing.

We objected to his indignant emotional outburst and to what seemed like a desire to continue badmouthing EBR.

Like I said above and am happy to repeat, my experience with disgruntled types who jump to publicly berating a product is pretty conclusive. I've not known any that are trustworthy sources of objective, rational information. Period.

Your self-appointed mission here in support of malcontents and troublemakers is becoming disruptive. If you would like to participate thoughtfully and positively as a Buell enthusiast in discussion about Buell motorcycles please do. If you prefer to continue what appears to be a crusade to defend the malcontents and attack me or Court, I'd rather you avoid that.

You spoke falsely accusing Court and me of calling specific people "liars". We did no such thing.

Have the integrity to either recant and apologize or to leave the forum. Anything short of one of those alternatives is unacceptable to me.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

Jetbuilder posted:

I wish the Idiots who think they know more than EBR here would just go out and develop there own world class motorcycles/engines and race to a championship or just shut the F.....k up!!!!! I am sick of the retards on this site questioning every piece of data EBR provides us! Every time he is kind enough to provide us with info some prick decides to question its accuracy! Go away please, you are screwing it up for the rest of us who actually want to learn something.




I cannot agree more. My sense from other communications from other BadWeBrs is that the majority feel likewise. In that spirit, we'll be exercising more aggressive intervention to put an end to the miserableness. We will absolutely uphold and enforce our terms of use.

If you aren't familiar with the terms of use to which we all agreed when signing up to use the forum here, then please click on the "Rules" link at the bottom of any page on the forum.

I for one need to be able to enjoy participating here and looking after the place. I refuse to let others make this a miserable experience for me and the rest of the Buell enthusiasts here.

The people that Jetbuilder describes who for some pathetic miserable reason seem to have made it their mission in life to belittle, berate, and naysay against anything that Erik Buell offers have made that near impossible. Those who for some queer reason feel the need to intervene on behalf of the naysayers just add to the miserableness.

I get indignant foul-mouthed phone calls and emails. One of our custodian's mothers has been searched out and emailed by one unbelievably arrogant, indignant, naysayer. I have ZERO use for such people. They are a blight on my life. That needs to end. Now!

I don't care a wit for any reasoning on their behalf. Those who think it is all fine and dandy can go pound salt.

Expect much harsher management of the forum here. My tolerance is past stretched thin.

(Message edited by blake on March 02, 2010)
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thank you for so eloquently making my point.
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Ustorque
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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F_skinner
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Expect much harsher management of the forum here.

Plus
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Spank
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So good to hear Blake! If there has ever been time for that, it's now. With BMC gone and who knows what kind of help we are gonna get from H-D, we need to band together to help...not hurt! There is no need/use for people to come on here and through around all kinds of negativity. This is by far the best place for Buell information and help! Harley already through a turd in the punch bowl, we don't need anyone to pee in it now!!
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake:

You could not have said it better.

It bothers me that after years of helping Buell owners that I find myself becoming angry, argumentative and looking for a good reason to do what Henrik, Paul, Grizz and so many others have done and simply pull the plug on Badweb.

There is a new breed of dog in the house . . it's less fun and the only reason I do it is fun and, at the same time, some of my other hobbies, guitars, grand kid, school and cars, are becoming more fun.

I'm not excited about charging an annual fee but it seems that lately we've gotten just what we paid for.

I admire you for being perhaps the most tolerant and understanding person I know. I'd have bailed by now . . . . but then IO am not a Texas Mountain of a Man! !

: )

By the way . . . last year was a record for me in 22 years of helping Buell owners resolve problems. Since someone may want "facts" I'll let you ask Vick sometime . . just be ready to run. To date . . not ONE BUELL OWNER charged for parts, new bikes or anything . . not even freight.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm also watching that thread with the guy who cracked his 1125R case . . . 6 months ago, I'd have had him a new motor in under 48 hours.

: )
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Geforce
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wow... This is getting silly.

EBR and to all who helped shape this project into reality, congratulations! I have sat in the corner and waited to hear more about this for some time now and I am delighted to hear the results and see the details!

I'm going back into the corner now so I don't get caught up in the rest of it.

Congrats EBR! Keep it up!
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A_s_r
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thank you Blake and Court for describing how 99.9% of Buell enthusiasts feel : )
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Spic and Span. No audience granted.

We can play the game all day long.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>Wow... This is getting silly.

Not to worry. It's a cycle we go through. Check the number of posts and the registration date.

From time to time someone slips off the wagon . . does some drugs . . reflects back on a personal lack of accomplishment and lashes out and those who have accomplished much. It's a game . . if you can't be tall . . you stand on a chair and make a big deal about how short everyone else in the room is.

The small mind is predictable and easily entertained . . . frankly . . not all that bright.

Within a month or so . . . they'll see Jesus again . . . we'll get the mea culpa phone calls, the feigned apology and we'll begin the cycle again.

Folks used to care. No longer.

There are some great things happening in the world of Buell and there will be more.

If a person is unwilling to accept factory claims, like they would claims from any other manufacturer, they should really just go find the motorcycle that makes them happy and buy it.

They've become quite irrelevant. I'm kind of enjoying some of the things presently going on, counting down the hours to go to Daytona and can't wait for the next year.

Badweb has survived these cycles for better than 10 years and will continue to.
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