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     M2me |
So you're a "long time" Obama supporter? How long has he been in politics? Fourteen years. In 1996 he was elected to the Illinois State Senate. In 2004 he gave the keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention. In that same year he was elected to the U.S. Senate with 70% of the vote. I first saw him live in a St. Louis Park elementary school in 2006 when he was helping Amy Klobuchar with her U.S. Senate campaign. Read this if you think the "liberal media" is funny: The Lobbying-Media Complex The "facts" that you see on TV "news programs" are heavily filtered through their corporate backers. The question for the media is not whether public policy is good for the American people, the question is whether public policy is profitable for corporations. That's the truth for all major American media outlets. Radio, print, broadcast and cable. These outlets don't have your best interests in mind. They treat you like a tool to further the interests of their corporate backers. Don't blind yourself to that fact. | ||
| M2me |
The 2008 election was NOT between a conservative candidate and a liberal candidate. The election was between a slightly right of center centerist and a far-left leftist being presented as a left of center centerist. Yeah, and the far-left leftist won the election (I'm assuming Obama is the far-left leftist). Are you suggesting that we do away with voting altogether and just appoint conservative candidates because polls show that most Americans are conservatives? What about all that "freedom and democracy" and "Constitution" talk? You seem pretty eager to throw that out the window. Elections? We don't need no stinkin' elections! We're Americans! Corporations appoint our leaders and we love it that way! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
No. I'm simply refuting your statement that a "conservative media" white washed an obviously leftist candidate in an effort to convince a majority of conservative voters that Obama was a conservative candidate. It simply doesn't wash. It doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Where did I say throw out the elections? I plan to exercise my right to vote vigorously in 2010 as well as 2012. The MAJORITY of the population, like in VA, MA, and NJ will be doing the same. The electorate of those states weren't unhappy with the direction of the country because healthcare and cap and trade weren't passed. They were livid at having been duped into voting for someone with zero respect for the Constitution and the proper role of government. The American voter has been shown the full magnitude of the far left and have recoiled in horror. | ||
| Hootowl |
So you've been a supporter for four years. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
M2me, do you believe the green movement has been taken over by powerful people and corporations as a way to make lots of money un the guise of making the world better? | ||
| Aesquire |
Johnnymceldoo, I do so believe. See GE. Fox News, seems lefty to me, not as hard core as NBC, but Pravda is right of NBC these days. Fox does have right wing talk shows. Most of the other channels have leftist oriented talk shows. For example, "the View" would warm Goebbels heart. Trotsky would be aghast at Olberman, ( Stalin would have had him disappeared if treated by Kiethy like Bush ) and Oreally vs. Whoopie for content & logic? LOL I'm left libertarian according to the stupid questions, on this site. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ I'll put it bluntly, if you are considerably left than me, you are either an authoritarian, a stooge for wannabe dictators, ( known as "Useful idiots" )or you are so stupid you believe Media Matters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot Now those fools far right of me, they are really dangerous. They keep spouting stuff about free speech, for all, not just Obama lovers, and want to preserve some old musty piece of paper called a Constitution, even though ( or perhaps because ) it limits the power of Obama to do as he wishes to make America a land of socialized medicine, wealth redistribution, and class envy. ( not putting words in Obama's mouth, that's what he wants, he said so, and the method he uses.... those evil fatcat bankers. ) Now the contention that mega corps ( pronounced "Corpse" if Barack is reading this, not "Core" as In Peace Corps ) run media and give us all a biased view for corporate greed..... OK, I agree. As to Obama's "religion"... It's Obama. I see no reason to believe Obama was raised in a Kenyan pagan religion, since, unless his past is a total lie, he never went there as a kid. He was raised in a muslim country & in islamic school, so, if he converted to a different faith he must be stoned. ( not the bong kind, the biblical execution. ) Since I'm not Muslim, I not only don't feel a need to carry out his punishment, but would protect him from such on principal. I actually think his "status" as a Muslim is as bogus as anything else about the guy, and was just his parents lying to get him in the school in the first place. What he absorbed in school as a kid? I suspect hatred for the "west" and resentment about racism. ( he wasn't like the other students, and so...got crap. Bet on it ) He's certainly not Christian, since he's been, as far as public records go to Christian church about 3 times in the last year, and for 20 years prior to that was in a Church of Liberation Theology ( subset: Black North American Racist ) which is only Christian for book keeping purposes. So calling Obama a Muslim is both inaccurate, and in fact a danger to his safety, as it may entice a radical islamic nutjob ( if that's not an oxymoron ) to try and bring holy justice to the world. And I think we've got quite enough of that shi&, thank you. | ||
| M2me |
M2me, do you believe the green movement has been taken over by powerful people and corporations as a way to make lots of money un the guise of making the world better? No, not really. The "green movement", in the U.S. at least, currently doesn't have much money or power. All the power and money in the U.S. today is with the "fossil fuels movement". The problem is the fossil fuels movement is so 20th century. Fossil fuels are the past, not the future. Fossil fuels are not going to be the economic powerbase in the 21st century. China, Japan, Europe, etc. recognize that and are making necessary adjustments. The U.S. does not, thanks in large part to our "liberal media", which is actually very conservative and very resistant to change. The "liberal media" tells us that global warming, alternative energy, cap and trade, etc. will be our economic downfall. I think that alternative energy will be the biggest economic boom in human history. Will the U.S. be a leader and innovator and provider of the new technology? That question remains unanswered. Our current "liberal media" says, "No." I really hope that changes, but the power and money today is against it. The power and money today supports drill baby, drill, a strategy that made billions in the 20th century but is out of date for the 21st. | ||
| Aesquire |
So, you'd support an energy policy that goes.... Replace coal fired power plants with Nuclear reactors, Same with natural gas plants. ( where safe, ie. not on a fault line. ) Build the infrastructure for full recycling & burning of the Uranium cycle, leaving only low level medical wastes to be stored some place very safe, but accessible to future use... say, Ft. Drum where the Army can guard it with tanks. Turn coal into vehicle fuel. Save natural gas for cheaper home heating & give a boost to the economy. Also clean vehicles & chemical feed stock. Drill in the Arctic wildlife refuge & expand it's size twice as much to keep the large pristine area. Do the electric car & green energy stuff, when it's rational and works. ( with more power from a robust expanded electric grid, you can have battery powered cars ) Think that would work? this strategy would reduce the cost of energy world wide. Although you never are going to get away from importing some energy, you can surely change the amount to a rational one.( unless you WANT to drill every U.S. deposit. That might be enough, but I doubt that's a good idea. I'm assuming you want to burn Nigeria's & Saudi oil first instead of your own. ) Or we could play blame the rich instead. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Heres your one big shot that there is a bias in the media. During the campaign and really heavily in the last two years of the Bush administration there were lead stories, nightly news with death body counts and how many people died in iraq, afghanistan; and of course the pointing of fingers at bushes policy... Obama gets elected ... and suddenly its all gone. That coverage, with it end of the world type of reporting... gone. We're still there, people are still dying, but notice the distinct difference in coverage. Tell me there aint a bias, and you arent paying attention. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Not sure where you live city but i still hear about Deaths over and over again. Move to Chicago. BTW in 09 Iraq's casualties dropped in half and In Afghanistan they doubled. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Media is biased though, always has been always will. Pick a different channel you'll get different news. | ||
| Blake |
"Fossil fuels are not going to be the economic powerbase in the 21st century. China, Japan, Europe, etc. recognize that and are making necessary adjustments." Bunch of vague nonsense. China is building new coal fired powerplants as fast as they possibly can. Do any of the nations you cite intend on levying massive new taxes upon the carbon emitting industry? Answer: No. Only the socialists and other idiots in America are proposing that and the lame-stream media is fervently in support. Fossil fuels are and will continue to be by far the major source of energy in America and the world. Only idiots would propose scrapping our vast reserves of fossil fuels in favor of... what? I don't know. There currently is no viable alternative to the quantities of coal, natural gas and petroleum that we use to create energy and power our vehicles in America. It is dishonest to pretend that there is. The truth that the socialists cannot tolerate is that the free market is the single best driver for progress towards alternative energy. When the prices of oil and other fossil fuels rise to the point where other (alternative) sources of energy become economically viable, they will. Until then, trying to manipulate the market to create an artificial demand for it will only do harm to our economy. Throwing away trillions of dollars of domestic fossil fuels is one of the best ways to destroy America's prosperity. Spain instituted a forced green energy program like good socialists imagine will be so successful. It is killing their economy. You want jobs, drill here and drill now! In a year's time, you'll have an additional million jobs, less imports, reduced price of oil, less power in the hands of militant islamist states. Win, win, win, win. Where's the problem? Oh yeah, the lie of man-made global warming. Idiots. Liars. | ||
| Drkside79 |
On a side note I am a little sick of being called a socialist because i am a Democrat. I thought McCarthy died back in the late 50s.... | ||
| Reepicheep |
Coal and oil are just really good batteries for storing solar power. We got a head start from millions of years of operational solar collectors (also known as oceans and rain forests). And we needed it. We should be plotting how to marshal the remaining resources to develop viable sustainable alternatives... nuclear will be critical, solar can offset some of that, but will never likely be enough, unless we can get really clever about genetically engineered alge creating hydrogen or something... | ||
| Hootowl |
McCarthy was right about every single person he accused of being a communist agent. We got the evidence from the KGB after the USSR collapsed. He is still vilified by the left, and they'll never admit they were wrong. | ||
| Hootowl |
Reep, there are strains of saltwater algae that are over 50% oil by weight. They're doing some amazing stuff out in the deserts in the southwest. Google oil algae. But as much as I agree with you regarding getting these new technologies up and running for the day when we finally run out of oil, Blake is right in saying the market has to drive it. Oil is cheaper than the new alternatives, and until that changes, oil will be king. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Cool stuff! Maybe one of my kids will grow up to be an oil rancher, how cool would that be!  | ||
| Blake |
"On a side note I am a little sick of being called a socialist because i am a Democrat. " That has never been my intent. I know plenty of non-socialist Dems, plenty that oppose the mandatory nationalized health care, cap and trade, and the like. Social Security = Socialism Medicare/Medicaid = Socialism Government rescued banking = Socialism Government rescued and run auto manufacturers = Socialism Plenty of Republicans are Socialists as well. | ||
| Blake |
"McCarthy was right about every single person he accused of being a communist agent. We got the evidence from the KGB after the USSR collapsed. He is still vilified by the left, and they'll never admit they were wrong." Another man ruined by the caustic hatemongers on the left. And our evidence vindicating McCarthy didn't just come from the KGB, much came from declassified wire-taps on the Soviet embassy. Look up "Venona." Truth is good. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
What I find is that most Socialists bristle at the TITLE "Socialist" yet approve of the PRACTICE of socialism. When asked what differentiates a "Liberal Democrat" from a "Socialist", most "Liberal Democrats" are unable to name any material points of difference. Darkside, please help us understand the difference in your view. As of late, we haven't seen much. | ||
| Blake |
"What I find is that most Socialists bristle at the TITLE "Socialist" yet approve of the PRACTICE of socialism. " Too true. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Want to save billions in tax dollars and save energy at the same time? Eliminate street lights. G | ||
| M2me |
Do you guys even bother reading your links? Here is the very first link that comes up in a Google search for "venona vindicate mccarthy" (Blake's link labeled "Verona"): Rehabilitating Joseph McCarthy? And here is quote from that link (but I encourage you to read the whole article):
McCarthy is not vindicated in any manner, shape or form. McCarthy was wrong. McCarthyism is wrong and harmful to the U.S. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
McCarthy took a scorched earth tactic. It didn't mean that there weren't real Communists. The records show this to be true. By implicating those not directly involved but sympathetic to Communist ideals, real Communists found few places to hide. Unfortunately, the unexpected side effect of this tactic is still seen today. Claims of "profiling" can be directly tied to McCarthy. Law enforcement is hindered by McCarthy's tactics. We also see resistance to calling a spade a spade with regard to Communism and Socialism today. If you believe in redistribution of wealth and state ownership of manufacturing, energy production, banking, and healthcare, it's socialism, but you can't call it that. | ||
| Stalker |
"China, Japan, Europe, etc. recognize that and are making necessary adjustments." http://www.purchasing.com/article/449321-Crude_oil _prices_forecast_to_average_77_barrel.php im just saying.......  } | ||
| Blake |
"But now right-wingers are once again promoting the nonsense that McCarthy was a truth-telling, anti-communist hero and patriot. And if they get their way, that’s what Texas history students will soon be learning in their public school classrooms." It is not "nonsense". It is the truth as verified by previously classified documentation, the Venona tapes. It is only troublesome for the left wingers as they are once again revealed for the fools and idiots they are, dupes and useful idiots of the communists going so far as to have them serving in high positions in their executive branch administrations, one of them playing a key role in the Potsdam conference and in advising on how to handle Maoist China. In both cases communists were gifted their wildest dreams, the whole of eastern Europe and all of mainland China. The left wingers need to demonize effective right wing leaders in order to rewrite history in their favor. It is always a pack of lies. McCarthy may have been mean, but he was accurate and the enemy was at the gates. He did what needed doing. It's a shame that the left wing establishment so demonized him as to send him to an early grave. While doing that, they continued to fawn and googaw over communists in our midst, gifting them with professorships and the like. It is truly disgusting. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Heard from Anita Dunn lately?  | ||
| M2me |
It didn't mean that there weren't real Communists. The records show this to be true. Really? Gee whiz, I didn't know that there were Communists. Are there terrorists among us? Of course there are. How can we best combat them? McCarthyism says the best approach is to simply round up everybody. Arrest a thousand people, accuse them all of being terrorists, destroy all their lives. Is it possible that two or three of those thousand are terrorists? Of course! Well, then you're vindicated. No, you are not vindicated. McCarthyism, or racial profiling, or whatever you want to call it, is not how America does business. We are a nation of law and justice. Maintaining that kind of nation is hard work. You've got to do the investigations. You can't be lazy and simply take a shotgun approach. You can't fire blindly into a rustling bush. You might occasionally kill a grouse, but you're going to kill a lot of mockingbirds too. And that's un-American. | ||
| Drkside79 |
You miss the point. It is sad that you would see McCarthy as a martyr as opposed to the ignorant man that he was. He played upon the fears of Americans and had us turning on each other. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Yep. We can't ask anyone lest they be accused of profiling. Appear hispanic in AZ, TX, CA or NM, you can't check citizenship. That would be profiling. Instead we permit a flood of illegal immigration instead of enforcing the law. Appear Muslim and act suspicious on a flight, you can't ask them about their activities. That would be profiling. Instead, we allow potentially dangerous non-citizens to roam freely about our nation. Hell, we don't even check to see if their visas are current. We fisk little old ladies from Florida and ban 5 year olds from flights. We might object to McCarthy's tactics, but his efforts, however grotesque, protected America and democracy. |
