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Hex
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 01:34 am: | 
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I too hope to become a big corporation, but not to be rich, just to be free and successful in bringing new and interesting things to our world. I've got so many ideas.
This is why Erik Buell is one of my heroes. The XB12R is fantastic. I'll bet he and many others gained great pleasure from it's creation and success.
I love playing with process, design and materials. IMHO, the hard part is distribution, sales and marketing. Markets are so fickle, especially 'luxury' markets in a perpetual recession! |
Hex
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 11:48 am: |
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Also wanted to say if we ever do outlaw fishing, fly casting is a great sport. There are many competitive activities including distance and accuracy contests.
The rich will still go to Patagonia for trout...
BTW did you all know that Black Bass (Largemouth, Smallmouth, Sunfish, etc.) are NOT native to North America? They were introduced to our lakes and waterways for sport fishing. So I seriously doubt that those fish will ever be protected by law.
The problem is the Trout and Salmon populations which have many threats. However, I could take you to a catch and release only stream and show you some huge trout that even I have been unable to catch! They look right at you like this--
Once caught, twice shy. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 12:00 pm: |
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I didn't know that about Bass. Interesting. I knew that lakes are sometimes stocked, but I didn't know they were being stocked with a non-native species. Wonder how we get away with that these days? |
Hex
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 12:03 pm: |
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We did it in like the 1830's on the east coast, and the fad spread to become our current reality.
I'll look for some info on it today, but they're from Germany I believe. |
Hex
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 12:06 pm: |
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They don't need to be stocked once established either, they're invasive. |
Strokizator
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 12:12 pm: |
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Same for pheasant (China) and chukkar (India). When people ask how I can kill these beautiful and defenseless birds, I merely point out that I am eliminating non-native species. |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 12:26 pm: |
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Ah, where are my Alaska photos? A 70+ pound King Salmon in each hand on the Lower Yukon, Dolly Varden caught without baiting the hooks-just going for the tiny flash of gold, 36-inch Arctic Char from lakes that never get fished in the Brooks Range, subsistence fishing with some Aleuts on Unalaska Island, 200+ Red Salmon takes more time to clean than catch. Eat everything but the scales, nothing wasted. Sport fishing was catching the biggest fish on the smallest gear. Do you know why Alaskan grizzly bear lick their butts after eating? To get the taste of unarmed environmentally conscious people out of their mouths. |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 12:51 pm: |
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I, on the other hand, was an armed environmentally conscious person. Alaska DofAviation handed out a sheet with something like 19 things recommended to carry in one's airplane: Gun, fishing gear, mosquito netting, axe, matches, yadda yadda. My old Piper bushplane now lives in Wisconsin, restored to it's former glory. Last time I saw it it was taxiing out the driveway from my home on Bradley Skyranch at 12 Mile Village just before I left the country. Alaska, where anyone who could get out of bed in the morning could make a decent living. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 01:03 pm: |
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get peter nguyen to write us an exit strategey  |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 02:32 pm: |
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"BTW did you all know that Black Bass (Largemouth, Smallmouth, Sunfish, etc.) are NOT native to North America west of the Rocky Mountains?"
Fixed it fer ya.
http://www.nanfa.org/checklist.shtml
quote:Family Centrarchidae (Sunfishes)
Acantharchus pomotis (Baird 1855); Mud Sunfish
Ambloplites ariommus Viosca 1936; Shadow Bass
Ambloplites cavifrons Cope 1868; Roanoke Bass
Ambloplites constellatus Cashner & Suttkus 1977; Ozark Bass
Ambloplites rupestris (Rafinesque 1817); Rock Bass
Archoplites interruptus (Girard 1854); Sacramento Perch
Centrarchus macropterus (Lacepède 1801); Flier
Enneacanthus chaetodon (Baird 1855); Blackbanded Sunfish
Enneacanthus gloriosus (Holbrook 1855); Bluespotted Sunfish
Enneacanthus obesus (Girard 1854); Banded Sunfish
Lepomis auritus (Linnaeus 1758); Redbreast Sunfish PROPOSED SPECIAL CONCERN (Canada)
Lepomis cyanellus Rafinesque 1819; Green Sunfish
Lepomis gibbosus (Linnaeus 1758); Pumpkinseed
Lepomis gulosus (Cuvier 1829); Warmouth SPECIAL CONCERN (Canada)
Lepomis humilis (Girard 1858); Orangespotted Sunfish PROPOSED SPECIAL CONCERN (Canada)
Lepomis macrochirus macrochirus Rafinesque 1819; Bluegill
Lepomis macrochirus mystacalis Cope 1877; Florida Bluegill
Lepomis macrochirus speciosus (Baird & Girard 1854)
Lepomis marginatus (Holbrook 1855); Dollar Sunfish
Lepomis megalotis megalotis (Rafinesque 1820); Central Longear Sunfish
Lepomis megalotis aquilensis (Baird & Girard 1853); Rio Grande Longear Sunfish
Lepomis megalotis breviceps (Baird & Girard 1853); Great Plains Longear Sunfish
Lepomis megalotis occidentalis Meek 1902; Western Longear Sunfish
Lepomis megalotis peltastes Cope 1870; Northern Longear Sunfish
Lepomis microlophus microlophus (Günther 1859); Eastern Redear Sunfish
Lepomis microlophus ssp. (Western Redear Sunfish)
Lepomis miniatus Jordan 1877; Redspotted Sunfish
Lepomis punctatus (Valenciennes 1831); Spotted Sunfish
Lepomis symmetricus Forbes 1883; Bantam Sunfish
Micropterus cataractae Williams & Burgess 1999; Shoal Bass
Micropterus coosae Hubbs & Bailey 1940; Redeye Bass
Micropterus dolomieu dolomieu Lacepède 1802; Northern Smallmouth Bass
Micropterus dolomieu velox Hubbs & Bailey 1940; Neosho Smallmouth Bass
Micropterus henshalli Hubbs & Bailey 1940; Alabama Bass
Micropterus notius Bailey & Hubbs 1949; Suwannee Bass
Micropterus punctulatus (Rafinesque 1819); Spotted Bass
Micropterus salmoides salmoides (Lacepède 1802); Largemouth Bass
Micropterus salmoides floridanus (Lesueur 1822); Florida Bass
Micropterus treculii (Vaillant & Bocourt 1874); Guadalupe Bass
Pomoxis annularis Rafinesque 1818; White Crappie
Pomoxis nigromaculatus (Lesueur 1829); Black Crappie
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B00stzx3
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 02:53 pm: |
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Those snakehead fish scare the SHIZ outta me. Everytime we go cliff hopping into the potomac river, carry my switchblade in my pocket in case I gotta shank one them scary SOBs. They can walk on friggin land too! |
Hex
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 04:02 pm: |
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I don't think Blake is correct on this one either.
Not much info out there on the web, I'll have to consult my books where I read what I believed to be true. There is some mention that the bass were native to North of the Appalachian mountains, but I have read that they were ALL brought here from europe before the 1800's. I'll try to dig it up. The way history is written and rewritten, who knows...
This from Wiki under SmallMouth Bass:
In the United States, smallmouth bass first moved outside their native range upon construction of the Erie Canal in 1825, extending the fish's range into central New York state. During the mid- to late 1800s, smallmouth were transplanted via the nation's rail system to lakes and rivers throughout the northern and western United States, as far as California. Shippers found that smallmouth bass were a hardy species that could be transported in buckets or barrels via the railroad, sometimes using the spigot from the railroad water tank to aerate the fingerlings. They were introduced east of the Appalachians just before the Civil War, and afterwards transplanted to the states of New England. |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 04:06 pm: |
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If we cant hunt fish shoot atvs etc We can always track down the rabid Environmentalist wackos. Resposible Stewardship of the planet should not be left to the nuts. At F.I.T i found 75% of my class mates thought it was ok to lie etc inorder to save a ( ) Pick your species. Real science died in the 70s earth day crowd. Real Scientists solve problems or at least provide facts not opinons. Enviromentalists cannot legislate the work away from oil Engineers will develop new and better energy sources. The Green wackos need to stop complining and come up with solutions that will work with out subsidies. Useing thier term Sustainable. If it works better we will use it but you cant tax your way to innovation. Look at Ciscos New router. 90k cheap actually for what it does they will sell on reduced power consumption alone. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 04:27 pm: |
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I noticed that also. I was an environmentalist back before environmentalism meant "bad science" and anti-use.
Now I suppose I am a conservationist. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 08:16 pm: |
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"I don't think Blake is correct on this one either. "
Ego can be a brutal taskmaster. Always having to be right is a @#$%^ bitch.
quote:Until fish culture was successfully carried out there were no black bass in Europe. Now, thanks to enterprising parties, the Micropterus has been introduced into England and Germany, and with success.
THE BLACK BASS; BOOK OF THE BLACK BASS.
The New York Times - July 9, 1904
Section: PART TWO SATURDAY REVIEW OF BOOKS, Page BR466, 611 words
Source
quote:The Black Bass is wholly unknown in the Old World, except where recently introduced, and exists, naturally, only in North America.
The Book of Black Bass
Copyright 1881 by J. A. Henshall, MD
Source
(Message edited by blake on March 10, 2010) |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 08:17 pm: |
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Eric,
What other "one" was I not correct on? |
Gregtonn
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 11:57 pm: |
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'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'
-Ronald Reagan
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Hex
| | Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 10:41 am: |
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Your wrong about multiple languages being inappropriate and a waste of taxpayer money on the Census.
Also about the Bass I guess I was wrong, but, it seems that they were native:
They were originally found only East of the Mississippi River and South of the Great Lakes in the continental United States.
http://www.time4me.com/theme/outdoors/fish/lm2.htm
They are definitely invasive in California and Texas, in fact the Small Mouth (cold water tolerant) live in our trout habitat and eat trout babies.
I'm still looking for the text book where I thought my info came from. I'll concede that I may have been partially incorrect until I dig up that source. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 12:53 pm: |
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"Your wrong about multiple languages being inappropriate and a waste of taxpayer money on the Census."
Either you no read good, or like to make stuff up. I neither made nor endorsed any such statement. I agreed that the pre-census letter was a waste of money, and that "it was strange to see all the different languages."
Words have specific meaning. I try to use them accurately. You should too.
quote:Also about the Bass I guess I was wrong, but, it seems that they were native:
They were originally found only East of the Mississippi River and South of the Great Lakes in the continental United States.
http://www.time4me.com/theme/outdoors/fish/lm2.htm
Your referenced source is addressing only Largemouth Bass. Your original statement included all "Black Bass".
"I'm still looking for the text book where I thought my info came from. I'll concede that I may have been partially incorrect until I dig up that source."
You were not "partially incorrect" you were dead wrong, asserting that Black Bass were non-native to America and were introduced from Europe.
You couldn't have been more wrong since Black Bass are indeed native to America and have been introduced into Europe.
Again, ego can be a brutal taskmaster. Always having to be right is a @#$%^ bitch.
(Message edited by blake on March 11, 2010) |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, March 12, 2010 - 10:02 pm: |
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Don't worry Blake, your piscean authority may not be challenged again if sport fishing is banned to save the polar bears.
while we're thread hijacking... I just have to say...."airboarding"  good one, hoot...
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climategate-three-of- the-four-temperature-datasets-now-irrevocably-tain ted/
To put it over simplified...
Most of the research and attempts at climate modeling are based on the same data set. (from the Anglia CRU) A data set is a long list of numbers that are the thermometer readings from weather stations around the planet.
There are fewer such stations now making direct comparison from old lists of numbers to new ones a problem. Also, the spread of cities and suburbs have caused many of these weather stations to give higher readings as blacktop and industrial buildings and parking lots crop up on the cheaper land near airports. There are web sites with pictures of such environmental error factors.
That means that you have to "fudge" the numbers to make the graphs & calculations work. This isn't always a bad thing, since an honest scientist will try to figure out a proper correction factor on data that comes from sources that vary and learn much from that. In other words, if you aren't trying to cheat, correction factors are a tool to greater knowledge. If you are a cheater correction factors are whatever proves your point.
The "climategate" e-mails show that cheaters are in charge, and their correction factors are in dispute...as is ALL the research & modeling done with their "corrected" data set.
They tell us now that they "lost" the original raw data in a move. Could be, I always lose important stuff when I move.
Trouble is that no good science can take place on the reality, direction, and hopefully predictions on climate change until a new, clean data set is created. And we can't trust the guys who lost the last raw data, since we know they are corrupt.
Until the politicians can admit that the science is no good that they are trying to base policy on....no new science can rapidly take place. Even those honest and dedicated pro's that want to know the real truths have the problem that the cheaters have been destroying their standing in science and science's standing with us. |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 01:16 am: |
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Time to start shooting the liars. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 08:27 am: |
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This isn't always a bad thing, since an honest scientist will try to figure out a proper correction factor on data that comes from sources that vary and learn much from that. In other words, if you aren't trying to cheat, correction factors are a tool to greater knowledge. If you are a cheater correction factors are whatever proves your point.
An honest scientist will make known the methods and formulas used for the corrections. The cheat will try to hide the methods and formulas used for corrections. There isn't an institution keeping a world temperature data set right now that makes public how they make their corrections. This is all being done with public money to boot! This information should be made public just because of the public funds, not only for scientific integrity. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 10:08 am: |
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Gee, Blake, though I agree with the sentiment, I doubt that we could.
Also, where do you stop? The French revolution is a good example of a purge that got out of hand. Ditto China's great leap forward.
On the other hand, are there not laws about cons & theft already on the books? If someone profits from selling fake stocks or fake Barbie dolls, Are they not subject to fraud & other laws? Would not selling medieval indulgences & taking money to advise on fake science be also an criminal offense? ( and how do you explain to the judge & jury what's true when the media pumps propaganda like a fire hose? )
In other words, can I make a citizens arrest of the Prophet Gore and turn him over to the police? How will the SS detail feel about that? How many P90 holes will I have in me? |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 05:06 pm: |
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Shoot 'em with a camera and publish their face all over the place with the caption
This liar takes your money.
He uses it to help perpetrate fraud.
His desired result is a massive hike in energy costs for all of us.
We shot him and put him here for all to see.
Don't let him and his lying cohorts get away with the most massive fraud ever perpetrated upon mankind. |
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