| Author | Message | ||
     Jaimec |
Over in the 1125R board: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/518932.html?1260397627#POST1673447 It's a discussion of the 1125RR race bike. The line that caught my eye (and apparently nobody else's) was:
So I'm putting it out here for discussion. WTF?? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
They won't let Buell release ANY bike as a streetbike. What's the mystery? | ||
| Jaimec |
The 1125RR was BEFORE the creation of "Erik Buell Racing." Remember, they created the 1125RR last summer when there was no inkling of BMC's closure. Now go back and reread with that in mind and I think you'll agree: "WTF??" | ||
| Andymnelson |
Does the thought of BMC being shackled by the mothership actually still shock you? HD did not ever want to see BMC be too successful, that has seemed clear to me for years. What's to discuss? | ||
| Jaimec |
How the hell does a company that thinks that way stay in business for as long as it has?? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
they created the 1125RR last summer when there was no inkling of BMC's closure. No inkling by US. There were those internal to HD that have been working toward the end of Buell for years. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Either A) They hate sportbikes (even those using their motors) and couldnt stand the fact of being connected to any "dem dere dang crotchrockets" or B)They plan on making their own sportbikes...wait for it......PSH HAHAHAHAHAHA Wonder how much chrome the "Harley sportbikes" would come with. That'd be like Geo making a pickup truck. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
They aren't planning on making sport bikes. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I'm sure folks knew of it back over the summer. And anyways, the 1125RR was loaded up with race only parts that would not pass EPA stuff I'm sure. Aside from that, it had a chain and different radiator setup. I'm sure HD squashed it because they don't want a chain in the lineup, and because otherwise all the R&D needed just to change the rads is kind of worthless. I think you're making something out of nothing. | ||
| Mnrider |
I'm still so pissed off I don't like to think about it. Dumbest thing I've seen any company do.  | ||
| Jaimec |
Even staid and conservative BMW recognized years ago that in order to survive they had to expand their market place. I remember a few years back (during Harley's 100th Anniversary) one of my Fag friends snidely commenting he doubted BMW would ever see their 100th anniversary. Wonder what he thinks NOW? | ||
| B00stzx3 |
This has beaten to death. But why? Why would Harley FEAR Buell making streetbikes? The target audience is defintley not the same. Why does Harley hate Buell so much? If Buell went off to their own company independent of Harley except for the XB engines.... the sales wouldn't be any skin of their nose. they'd be making money on the sporter engines before Buell got a crack at em. Different target audience completley! | ||
| Jaimec |
"Business Logic" is an oxymoron. | ||
| Reepicheep |
My guess the reason was fear of the unknown. Fear of the unknown was a good strategy for Harley Davidson while they were swimming downstream. Times change though... | ||
| Fahren |
Erik has moved on. Left the MoCo eating its brubrabbrubbrubbrub. Time to get over it, and look forward to future Buell developments. (Message edited by fahren on December 10, 2009) | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Yep... its time to move on.... I think things could end up being better for Erik and crew. We have just been taken out of our comfort zone.... pretty soon we will be saying "I wish this would have happened sooner!" | ||
| Blake |
Worse is the killing of Buell just prior to Buell releasing what would arguably have been THE race oriented streetgoing superbike that so many in the sportbike community have been clamoring for. It would have been a HUGE seller, no doubt, especially on the heals of such amazing racing success. That H-D killed the RR is not surprising at all given their attitude in general. They are idiots. | ||
| Andymnelson |
" It would have been a HUGE seller, no doubt" I agree. But think of this: finally a race-winning product that is globally desirable coming from Buell. And it doesn't have an HD motor in it. Heck, it was even chain driven! There was nothing (thankfully) HD about that bike! I would have felt threatened by that if I was an HD upper management as well. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
In 20 years, Buell would have been saddled carrying around a dead elephant on its back. Erik ain't dead. New motorcycles will come. The cool thing is that there are now far more rabid fans that there were just a year ago. I know on another board I frequent there are at least 5 new Buell owners who would probably have NEVER bought one were the prices not what they were. To a person, they have each lamented being late to the game. Who do you think might be first in line for the NEW Buell bikes? (After Froggy at least.) | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I don't think they felt threatened... I think they just don't get it... or didn't get... how ever you want to look at it. They had no idea that THE golden egg was about to hatch.... it would have been the bees knees.... whatever in the hell that means. | ||
| No_rice |
Who do you think might be first in line for the NEW Buell bikes? (After Froggy at least.) i'll race froggy there!!! | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I'm there already... you guys are late. | ||
| Kustomklassix |
NOT BUELL RELATED but the post above made me think of it. Anybody looked at BMW news lately? Nice bike - http://www.gizmag.com/s1000rr-bmw-review-first-rid e-test/13548/ Gallery - http://www.gizmag.com/s1000rr-bmw-review-first-rid e-test/13548/gallery/ | ||
| Froggy |
Too late, I pick up my Barracuda Jan 2nd  | ||
| Davegess |
H-D wouldn't get IT if you spotted them the T. | ||
| No_rice |
erik said i was a good kid this year. mine will be here on christmas eve  | ||
| Mndwgz |
The 1125 RR and the Barracuda had absolutely nothing in common with the moco. No chrome, a Rotax engine, (not an under powered over weight lump), a Buell philosophy amongst the other bits and pieces that just didn’t jive with their “core values.” | ||
| Mmmi_grad |
Its really retarded, new riders or wanabees who didnt like the hd stigma or rules or whatever could get behind a Buell motorcycle, ride it, love it and be proud of it. They just shot themselves in the head and managed to •••• it up. It wont be long though. It will be slow. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I test rode mine at Mid Ohio last year.... as a matter of fact... I showed Danny how to do that pass at the top of the S's. when I did it to him on my Cuda... I don't care that he stole my move... but a little "HEY HEY YO YO that pass be rock'n" would have been nice.... just say'n... about 31 seconds into the video.... That move is much harder to do on the Cuda because of all the power that it has over the 1st gen. 1125R But its no problem for me and my super human mad riding skills and I've got a bridge for sale in NYC  | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
OK, how's this for a conspiracy theory? They bought MV Agusta to resell after they'd shut down one of it's main competitors (Buell) thus driving it's market value up. I'm sure, given time, (& chemicals) I could come up with something even more paranoid, but I really can't be arsed. As has previously been stated "Get over it". | ||
| Court |
Man . . I LOVE that video! Danny Eslick is not only a heck of a nice guy and a talented rider but he represented Buell very capably and very professionally in 2009. Very cool to see the 1125R take the Championship in it's debut year. I'm really proud of the entire group of folks involved. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
That H-D killed the RR is not surprising at all given their attitude in general. They are idiots. I agree with you on that statement Blake! | ||
| B00stzx3 |
In 20 years, Buell would have been saddled carrying around a dead elephant on its back. Erik ain't dead. New motorcycles will come. And when they do, you;ll be dayum sure I'm getting them repainted with Buell logos and sending photos to Harley Execs with my own photo...give ya a hint: my 1-finger salute  |
