| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
The only thing we would accomplish is to further weaken our economy and increase our debt. Exactly. It's all about global redistribution of wealth. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The really tragic part is that the goal to redistribute wealth won't end with the death of "global warming". There will simply be an attempt to formulate the next scam. Universal Healthcare right now is the scam du jour. | ||
| Sifo |
No need to limit yourself to a single made up crisis at a time. | ||
| Brumbear |
All I know is the weatherman just screwed up the very first call of the year 1 to 3 inches my fat azz I am sitting in my house looking at 7 plus right now and its still friggen snowing bite me global warming or not can we at least get tomorrows weather right for all the money we throw at this crap. | ||
| Aesquire |
I completely believe that man changes his environment. ( lived in a cave lately? ) I have been looking at climate change for years. ( I'm a history buff, and climate affects population & technology ) The city of Petra failed because of climate change. The Greenland colony failed, same reason. Pueblo cliff dwellers? ditto. We hauled cannons across the Delaware in the 1700's. In 1350 the Greenland colony was abandoned, shortly after the Vinland colony failed. I even like the theory that rice paddies producing methane as artificial swamps replaced forest in the East has delayed the upcoming Ice age. !8000 years of global warming, man made. But the Global warming movement is now and has always been a con. M. Mann is a fraud, and this has been public knowledge for many years, yet he keeps making money. Al Gore bought a condo on the beach. He KNOWS he's a lier, but it's in a higher cause. World government & total control over the lives of the people. paid for by us, the rich ones. PERIOD. The term Climate Justice as seen on signs in Rocket's link above? Pure Communist propaganda. Where do you think the reds went when the wall fell? They went green. When the Soviet union collapsed, ex-kgb guys that didn't get a big piece of the pie, split for the west, and brought files to pay their way. The Green party? KGB. designed to impoverish western industry. Where did Gorbachev go when he left his old job? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorbachev http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Charter Now, I'm fully aware that the above seems like a paranoid rant. It's not like these people have ever done anything bad before? http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_party Social justice, Climate justice, Climate debt, all magic phrases from the old Soviet state updated to fit todays fools. Know these buzzwords for what they really are. Someone trying to rip you off. Period. Ignore the commie connections, I certainly could be wrong. But if they want your money for any kind of "justice" that isn't from law enforcement & the courts, it's either a big con job, or worse. Btw, I had Global warming as presented as a con when they told me that 2 degrees warmer was going to cause huge storms & make life harder, when I know that 1000 years ago it was 4 deg. warmer and the seas were calmer & life was good. That was the first lie I caught them in. No where in history is the pattern of weather they predict ever seen. ice age? yeah that one IS coming. I just don't know when. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
"Conan: Now, what about … you talk in the book about geothermal energy … Al: Yeah, yeah. Conan: and that is, as I understand it, using the heat that's generated from the core of the earth … Al: Yeah. Conan: … to create energy, and it sounds to me like an evil plan by Lex Luthor to defeat Superman. Can you, can you tell me, is this a viable solution, geothermal energy? Al: It definitely is, and it's a relatively new one. People think about geothermal energy — when they think about it at all — in terms of the hot water bubbling up in some places, but two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, 'cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot …" Source: Conan O'Brien Show As John Derbyshire of NRO correctly points out, if the center of the earth was several million degrees we'd be a star. But the lisping pied piper of environmental idiocy routinely gets away with asinine statements like this. He wouldn't, if he had the courage to debate. | ||
| Blake |
What a @#$^ing dishonest MORON! Someone PLEASE bitch slap that lying hypocrite jackass until he cries! Probably never happen, but it's fun to imagine. | ||
| 46champ |
You will know the big dupe is all coming to a head when Al Gore claims he's been duped and all he was, was the messenger, then he will cry out not to shoot the messenger. | ||
| Brumbear |
here is your global warming and 1-2 inches today forecast unfreekinbelievable  | ||
| Xodot |
Someone PLEASE bitch slap that lying hypocrite jackass until he cries! Ya got it all wrong. Bitch slap the fool that BELIEVES it! | ||
| Rocketman |
I'm lost here with some peoples comments. I thought the argument was not that global warming IS happening, but what IS causing it? Man or nature.............. The only thing I know with any certainty, if man does eff it up for the foreseeable, it can only get better in time. A very long time all be it. But you know what, that might not be such a bad thing given the way some rape pillage and plunder the world in the name of greed and power. I suspect however, that is one thing mankind won't change in any millennia. There'll always be arseholes to contend with. Even on BadWeB would you believe  Rocket | ||
| Sifo |
I'm lost here with some peoples comments. I thought the argument was not that global warming IS happening, but what IS causing it? Both questions are unsettled. Normally in science you need to prove a theory to get it to be accepted. For some reason with global warming both of your questions have been accepted without the scientific proof. Science is being asked to prove the theory wrong, and only then will people stop believing in AGW. The only reason that science has been perverted in this way is because of the politics and money involved. | ||
| Aesquire |
Rocket, some people, like Dr. Michael Chrichton, ( author ) saw that there was a hoax of huge proportions going on. http://www.michaelcrichton.net/essay-stateoffear-w hypoliticizedscienceisdangerous.html I wish I was the first to see it, but others led the way. M Mann's hockey stick graph was a fraud. Others requested the data & calculations used, and were refused for years. When finally released, it was obvious that he had made a "model" that lied, using fudged data to get the results he wanted. That seems to be the case in multiple instances from multiple scientists, including the critical ones whose reports formed the basis for the U.N.'s IPCC group. Years of hysteria followed. A former policy wonk ( not a bad thing IMHO ) vice President & Presidential wannabe adopted this cause, because it dovetailed nicely with his own stance that motor vehicles were the #1 evil on the planet. More on that in a second. He then was given a Nobel "peace" prize & Oscar for his popular, but deliberately misleading scare tactic "docudrama". He also stared a very shady "investment" company & sells medieval indulgences based on his moral position. His known wealth has gone from $7 million to over $200 million on these scams. He calls them "carbon credits" as a tie in to his slide show & lecture circuit business. ( he has versions that appeal to Christians & secularists, it's the shiny new religion ) He claims that he, himself, living in a huge mansion, and flying around the world to make $millions$, is "carbon neutral" ( sinless ) because he buys carbon credits. ( from himself ) It's now a major religion. Sin is consumption, and questioning the accuracy of people who are known liers. The call these people "deniers" to evoke comparison to neo-nazis and persian dictators. Clever, huh? "Earth in the balance" Gore's book, points out that the Automobile is a major factor in the worlds pollution. ( Global cooling was the trend at the time ) Nearly a 1/3 of the U.S. industry was related in one way or another to the Automobile culture. Roads, the very layout of our cities, oil refining & distribution, Steel, copper, coal mining, distribution, refining, shaping, burning all go into our automobiles and the industries that make them & their myriad parts. Gore has a point. The car is a huge influence in todays world. Dominating. Now, I don't remember much about motorcycles, ( I read it a while ago ) and precious little about how a cleaner richer world that didn't waste so much money & resources on roads & trucks was going to survive. ( I suspect teleportation or perhaps Horses & robotic dung removal systems on dirt paths. ) Most of these "greenies" don't have a clue that a typical city is only days away from starvation without massive transport of food & energy. I suppose we could go back to a agrarian 18th century utopian existence, free of pesky machines & cities. Right after several billion people die of disease & starvation. If you make it, remember me over your Ducati & Lightning sculptures as you remember the evil days when there was fuel & civilization. Listen to "Red Barchetta" by Rush for one take on the greenies agenda. It's not that the climate does not change. There is some dispute as to the direction & cause of said change, and it is used as an excuse to make billions. | ||
| Rocketman |
It's not that the climate does not change. There is some dispute as to the direction & cause of said change, and it is used as an excuse to make billions. That's as maybe, but the way man has lived on the planet for the last 150 years is way way way way different from any other time man is able to take information from the planet and collate it. Therefore, corruption, money making, spin, whatever, it has got to be foolhardy not to apply common sense and search for the correct answers rather than dismiss findings, even if fudged for whatever reason. There are no doubt reasons beyond just corruption why scientific figures have been fudged. That is the danger if all we are concerned about is the corruption and not the understanding. Rocket | ||
| Sifo |
it has got to be foolhardy not to apply common sense and search for the correct answers rather than dismiss findings, even if fudged for whatever reason. That's a joke... Right? | ||
| Rocketman |
Nope. You don't know EXACTLY why some findings have been fudged. It's easy for anyone to scream corruption and billions made. But can you say with any certainty just for example, there are no GOOD reasons for fudging the findings? Rocket | ||
| Boltrider |
If fudging is accepted then science is dead. | ||
| Sifo |
You don't know EXACTLY why some findings have been fudged. If we are expected to have any faith in science it needs to be done openly and honestly. If fudging is done it needs to be explained EXACTLY what and why was done. Instead it is being hidden. It's known that very similar fudging has been done by GISS/NASA. They wont explain their fudging either. When it can't be independently examined and verified it isn't science. Bottom line there is no good reason for not being open with the data and methods. I gather you're not much of a fan of science. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
But can you say with any certainty just for example, there are no GOOD reasons for fudging the findings? I'm speechless..... unbelievable | ||
| Rocketman |
What if in the most extreme case some scientist know the planet is doomed and they're fudging the numbers to stop some Hollywood producer making a blockbuster disaster movie. Just a thought  I like fudge. Specially rum flavoured. Rocket | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
You don't know EXACTLY why some findings have been fudged. It's easy for anyone to scream corruption and billions made. But can you say with any certainty just for example, there are no GOOD reasons for fudging the findings? Is this how science works now? | ||
| Sifo |
Is this how science works now? Current evidence would say... Yes.  | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
When emanuel says to take advantage of a crisis, hollywood and media as well as business try to capitalize off of hype, people like jeff jones, van jones and other seedy characters beat the drum and do their organizing you know somethings up. Totus talks about fundamentally changing the system. When are the fart sniffers and global warming chasers of this site going to address these people and their agenda? They wont because they are fanboys and hypocrites. They cried and screamed over the patriot act and then said nothing about jay rockefellers bill to give control of cyberspace to the administration. You guys act all concerned about the environment and the common man and woman and then you re-elect people like pelosi, murtha, kennedy and boxer...rich white blowhards wasting tax dollars and burning up fuel for their private jets and private airports. No matter how much whip cream you put on teddy kennedy he was still just a big ole rich privileged(and white) turd. | ||
| Chellem |
I'm no scientist, but I cannot see a circumstance where "fudging" data is a scientifically acceptable method of analysis. Then, on top of it, my understanding is the original, "un-fudged" data has been purged? I'm sorry, maybe the world is getting hotter, maybe it isn't. Maybe we're causing it, maybe not. Fudged data isn't going to convince me. And now, beyond that, I'm not sure I trust ANY data coming from any of the scientific community even remotely related to these people. Makes me physically ill. Is ANYONE honest left in the world? | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
In Columbus, Ohio. We only had 3 days above 90 this year... Hurricane season just ended... there was only 3 named hurricanes and none made landfall with hurricane force wind.... My scientific study says...meh  I wonder if Oprah will have this dumba$$ back on for a "WTF Interview"  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Is ANYONE honest left in the world? Science has been co-opted by the political. When faith is co-opted by the political, it's called hypocrisy. When science is co-opted by the political, it's called "fudging". You must look at the tactics of those "co-opting" science to understand WHY: Saul Alinsky’s rules about the ethics of ends and means. 1. One’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s personal interest in the issue. 2. The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment. 3. In war the end justifies almost any means. 4. Judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point. 5. Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa. 6. The less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in ethical evaluations of means. 7. Generally, success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics. 8. The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory. 9. Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical. 10. You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments. 11. Goals must be phrased in general terms like “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity,” “Of the Common Welfare,” “Pursuit of Happiness,” or “Bread and Peace.” The "ends" are our own good. The "means" are lying about the data and snowing the world. | ||
| Rocketman |
What if scientist were told to fudge to scare us into a worthwhile cause? Maybe it's a way to get millions of people to conform on a lower level because inevitably there is a problem, even if it turns out it's not as bad as maybe first thought, but could be a bigger problem in the long run if we don't act now. Over here there are large advertising hoardings in towns and cities up and down the land which show a dried lake bed in typical cracked mud fashion. There is a small model yacht laid on the dried mud. We are being warned about climate change. Similarly there's a long running commercial on TV where a father is sat over a child's bed reading a bedtime story. The animation goes from the scene just painted to one in which the bedtime story book is telling. One where animals, plants, species are dying. A world where flooding and extreme weather is killing. You get the picture. Why is my government keen on giving me these messages? Are they fudging the data to give me these messages? Until I can understand the purpose of the fudging I'm at a loss as to what it means not for science sake but for the relevant to fudging issue. I just don't get it. I don't see a connection between fudging scientists and corrupt money men. It's a little bit too surreptitious for me on science and corruption levels. Rocket | ||
| Chellem |
If you can't see who made money on this, then you're not looking right. THIS. THIS situation is why people should not collude to "fudge" data, particularly in the scientific community. Inevitably an ethical man will be morally opposed, or someone will say something while he's drunk, or hackers will hack into weird-ass emails, and now, faith in the scientific community is shattered and the cause is potentially set back years. IF there is even a CAUSE to speak of. You're using ads that the government used to scare people into global warming as the same reason we need those ads? That doesn't make any sense. We need to do something just in case we need to do something someday! Why not. Makes as much sense as anything the government does. WHICH IS NONE!!! | ||
| Rocketman |
I'm not saying anything other than I don't see the connection between scientists making themselves dishonest and how their supposed dishonesty ties in with these Al Goreisms wannabes trying to fraudulently make millions. Show me the connection from the University of East Anglia scientists to those corrupt scum suckers at the opposite end of the spectrum. Rocket | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I don't see a connection between fudging scientists and corrupt money men. It's a little bit too surreptitious for me on science and corruption levels. Grant Money. Cap and Trade. |
