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     Aesquire |
...In one of a series of TV interviews during his trip to Asia, Obama said those offended by the legal privileges given to Muhammed by virtue of getting a civilian trial rather than a military tribunal won't find it "offensive at all when he's convicted and when the death penalty is applied to him." Obama quickly added that he did not mean to suggest he was prejudging the outcome of Mohammed's trial. "I'm not going to be in that courtroom," he said. "That's the job of the prosecutors, the judge and the jury." In interviews broadcast on NBC and CNN Wednesday, the president also said that experienced prosecutors in the case who specialize in terrorism have offered assurances that "we'll convict this person with the evidence they've got, going through our system." Obama said the American people should have no concern about the capability of civilian courts to try suspected terrorists. Attorney General Eric Holder last week announced the decision to bring Mohammed and four others detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to trial at a lower Manhattan courthouse. .... I believe the above statement is grounds for dismissal. That's what I'd do if I was KSm's lawyer. Heard a rumor that Holder's law firm has defended terrorists in the past. Should he have recused himself? ( of course, you just pick a minion that will do as you wish, like Obama did with Holder. Ah, deniability, isn't it great? ) | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I wouldn't want to be one of the lawyers for either side, win or lose you're going to have a whole heap of armed people pissed at you. | ||
| Jimidan |
You Repubs sound like you are skeered! I think what you are really afraid of is a strong President that is tough on terrorists and the rule of law. What were the Bush people skeered of that they would never bring these guys to trial? Court sez: " I now feel confident saying that they are complete unabashed idiots. Actually, Rudy Guliani already said that . . I'm just repeating it. I do like Rudy's idea . . . let them be acquitted and them tell them they are free to go and drop them off in Rockaway Queens or Staten Island. This cross-dressing old coot is downright skitzo these days (Rudy, not Court  ). Is he and the rest of the Repubs grandstanding on this issue, or is it just more of the Just Say No to everything Obama? Which Rudy are you talking about, Court? It does matter... Is it 1994 Rudy or this political grandstanding clown today? In 1994, Rudy didn't feel that way when the fed prosecutors in NY successfully convicted the WTC attackers. IN fact, he was saying EXACTLY what Holder and the Obama people are saying right now: New York Time's March 5, 1994 Rudy declared that the verdict "demonstrates that New Yorker's won't meet violence with violence, but with a far greater weapon - the law." This isn't the first (or won't be the last) 180 flip-flop that Rudy has done... I can't wait for the trial...high drama with a perfectly predictable outcome. This really is a slam dunk. | ||
| Milt |
Fortunately, most of the evidence against SKM was collected early on, when professional intel people were gathering information. Federal prosecutors won't need any "information" procured after the political torture fetishists got involved. Federal prosecutors rarely press cases that they can't win. And don't look for the Supreme Court to overrule a conviction. They've steadily chipped away the exclusionary rule, to the point that it's practically non-existent now. | ||
| Sifo |
Tom, Supposedly the government's case doesn't rely on any testimony from the accused, thus Miranda rights have no bearing on the case. Blake, I hope you are right on this, but miranda rights covers more than just the right to remain silent. The whole closing of Gitmo thing is a ridiculous sham. It was built for a reason. Closing it down makes us weaker.} | ||
| Reindog |
Skeered is not a word. KSM should have already been hanged after he pleaded guilty in a military court. FDR had no problem executing German spies during WWII but Bush was too slow and Obama too cowardly. I love how Obama and Holder have already declared KSM guilty. Talk about tainting a jury. I don't know enough about the Miranda shuffle but I too hope you are correct, Blake. I'm glad I didn't have to jump out the 94th floor of the WTC but I will NEVER forget that this is war and not some petty criminal matter. | ||
| M2me |
The terrorists are criminals. They are cowardly murderers. They do not deserve to be raised to the level of a military tribunal. They murdered 3,000 unarmed civilians. That's not a military action. Gitmo must be closed and criminals must be tried in a court of law. America does not do Gulags. If we start doing Gulags, the "war on terror" is over and we lost. | ||
| Sifo |
Gitmo wasn't a Gulag. No need to close it. Most in Gitmo were gathered in military action on the battle field. | ||
| Reindog |
m2me said: The terrorists are criminals. They are cowardly murderers. They do not deserve to be raised to the level of a military tribunal. They murdered 3,000 unarmed civilians. That's not a military action. Gitmo must be closed and criminals must be tried in a court of law. America does not do Gulags. If we start doing Gulags, the "war on terror" is over and we lost. Just capturing your words so you can't change them. Amazing how you can be wrong on absolutely EVERYTHING that you believe. I am not sure that Badwebbers know that you are an admitted Socialist and that isn't a good place to be, friend. | ||
| M2me |
Just capturing your words so you can't change them. If someone wants to read my words they can read what I post. I don't need you to capture my words. | ||
| M2me |
Most in Gitmo were gathered in military action on the battle field. So are they POWs? They aren't accorded full Geneva Conventions. So what are they? Nobody knows. That's the problem. There are some 215 detainees at Gitmo. Many of them have been held there for years based on the flimsiest of evidence. Second and third hand hearsay. That's not a POW camp or prison. That's a Gulag. | ||
| Sifo |
So are they POWs? They aren't accorded full Geneva Conventions. So what are they? Nobody knows. That's the problem. There are some 215 detainees at Gitmo. Many of them have been held there for years based on the flimsiest of evidence. Second and third hand hearsay. That's not a POW camp or prison. That's a Gulag. They are unlawful combatants. POW's would have been in uniform. So what you are telling me is BO is now setting up a Gulag in IL. If Gitmo fits your idea of a Gulag moving these folks to IL changes nothing that you are objecting to. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
Everything thats needed to try these terrorists are already in place in cuba. Why do we need to bring them here? What are the benefits? Other than it being in public view? | ||
| Reindog |
The Terrorists have already pleaded guilty. What is the benefit? The answer is that Holder wants to put the CIA on trial and Obama is complicit in this theater. Quinnipiac is out with a new poll that shows President Obama's job approval is under 50% for the first time, at 48%. This embarrassment is headed for the gutter where he belongs. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/11/1 8/2009-11-18_quinnipiac_poll_president_obamas_appr oval_rating_drops_below_50.html | ||
| Cityxslicker |
They are terrorists, if there is any court they should be tried in other than a military UCMJ tribunal, it is the Hague for war crimes. They are not US citizens, they should NOT be afforded any of the rights, protections or freedoms of the Constitution. Barring that, there is a bunker in Uzbekistan that would be glad to have them back. | ||
| Court |
>>>>That's not a military action. How many "criminals" are "captured" by a Sargent and two Corporals in a war zone with M-16's pointed at them and hustled away in a HumVee? Rediculous. Military tribunal . . no rights to remain silent . . the son of a bitch deserves neither the estimated $100,000,000 cost of NYC hospitality nor the rights of an American citizen. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
It appears that a few of our brothers still can't figure it out for themselves, and prefer to spout partisan rant instead. Nothing new there, right? That's always been easier than trying to understand the problem. Just in case anyone still thinks there is any justification for trying KSM in New York, here is the Attorney General himself, Eric Holder, proving, under questioning from Senator Graham, that there is not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTmLKUT817Y&feature =player_embedded Everyone got it now?  | ||
| Court |
Interesting that Graham was not vindictive nor did he ask any "trick" questions . . just simple common sense stuff. Holder looked like an 8th grader in Geometry class who'd been called on and had not read the assignment. And to think this guy survived a Socratic school . . . The more light that shines on these guys the dumber they look. I know they have great educations and can only surmise that this proves the value that actual experience plays in making wise informed decisions. You elect a "neighborhood organizer" as President . . . well, you get what you asked for. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Thanks Jon, very enlightening. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
i like the guy. he did a good job. maybe "graham 2012" | ||
| Sifo |
One more problem with bringing it into civilian court is different requirements for chain of custody of evidence. I really hope they are left with enough to get a conviction for jaywalking. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
There's another can of worms that gets opened along with this. If these people are classed as "criminal" with the rights that go along with that classification, they presumably can sue the US government in civil court for the time in detention & other offenses under the human rights conventions. I think a "terrible accident" as the plane takes off from Gitmo could be a reasonable outcome.  | ||
| Reindog |
Gitmo is a Gulag?????? Exactly WRONG once again my Socialist friend. Read "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and if you are truthful to yourself, you will realize that you are full of something stinky and admit it publicly. Gitmo is to a Gulag what Monty Python is to the Spanish Inquisition. "Cardinal Biggles, bring me THE COMFY CHAIRS"! Your claptrap is getting OLD. FAST. | ||
| Drkside79 |
As much as I would like to see them drawn and quartered. It really doesn't matter how they were captured. The crime they are accused of was not committed in a war setting so they are being tried correctly. Also everyone gets a trial no matter how much of a monster you are. Thats what makes us Americans. | ||
| Reindog |
Huh?????? Destroying the WTC, attacking the Pentagon, and Flight 93's presumed attack on the Capitol or the White House is not an act of war? Get real. What planet do you reside on?????? What makes us Americans is when these war criminals are executed. | ||
| Reepicheep |
So Drkside79... according to that reasoning, the Japanese pilots involved in Perl Harbor should be tried under the rules of war, but their admirals that planned and ordered the attack (but never left Japan) should not be treated under the Geneva convention rules? | ||
| Drkside79 |
Reep we were not attacked by a Nation. Pearl Harbor was a Act of War committed by the Imperial Nation of Japan. This was an act of Terrorism. Also Pear Harbor was a Military target. These are apples and oranges. } | ||
| Reindog |
What is Pear Harbor? The Pentagon was not a military target? Attempting to destroy the financial infrastructure which would undermine our nation is not a military target? Attempting to murder Congress is not a military target? Get real. As you know, this was Jihad, an act of war. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
Gitmo is still the perfect place for these foreign terrorists to be tried, sentenced and to live out their sentences. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Fine the Pentagon was a military Target. Doesn't matter. You miss the point and I do not want to argue with you. So let me try it this way. The Geneva Convention does not apply to Terrorist acts(to my knowledge). We were not attacked by a county we were attacked by an organization. For example if the Klan decides to blow up a building in France does that mean the USA is at war with France. No it means that the people responsible are dealt with by the French however the Frogs see fit. |
