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Nobuell
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I feel hurt just like everybody else however my financial issue is also a consideration. By closing Buell they have effectively made my $11,000.00 investment worthless. No trade in for a new motorcycle. In seven years, no parts. It will basically be a doorstop! One of the reason I considered the Buell was the fact that it was owned by a big reputable company.

At least when Oldsmobile closed it did not really affect parts or service. The same with my two Pontiacs.

I have two kids in Collage now. Bike replacement now is not a consideration.

I do feel bad for the workers at Buell, but we all are taking a financial hit on this one.
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is a very stupid move, by an incompetent management.

In the grand scheme of things, Buell didn't have any impact at all on Harley, positive or negative. It was just too small.

On the other hand, spending money to shut down a profitable division does not make any business sense.

I look at it as a great opportunity for Buell to be more successful without the participation of the Motor Company.

It is not only stupid, but seemingly vindictive, to simply close down a division that has a lot of obvious value, instead of spinning it off to another company. Bombadier, who owns Victory and Rotax, would be one possible buyer.

I wish Erik and the Elves all the best.

To my brothers I say: Don't lose the faith.
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Ratyson
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 02:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Until WE Stop the STEAL FROM the POOR, GIVE to the RICH Approach to the Economy it will only get WORSE!

Patches... dude, you gotta spit out the cool-aid man. That is hilarious.}
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Andymnelson
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Kick 'em in the nuts, I say!

Here's what I know: if HD has done what now appears to have been done, I will not ever own an HD product, in spite of my future plans to have purchased at least one. IF things are a bit different than they currently appear, for example a plan or at least an "out" in in place for BMC to somehow, in some what continue...I may reconsider the above stance.
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Nobuell
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Until WE Stop the STEAL FROM the POOR, GIVE to the RICH Approach to the Economy it will only get WORSE!"

Obamnomics - Trickle up poverty
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Rfischer
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You guys are off in delusional la-la land.

For hithertofore seemingly intelligent beings, you're all yapping like f**king morons. With the sole exception of Joe.

I'm done here.

Oh, and BTW, I'm off to buy a new CR. Gonna get a hellava deal. Happier 'n a pig in poo.
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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This sums it up for me.



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Stevasaurus
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

For as much as I identify with my Buell, I have too many friends who ride cruiser bikes to where I saw me purchasing one in the near future. I really liked the the looks and what I've read about the new Triumph Thunderbird. But I felt like I should buy an H-D, just to "keep it in the family".

Guess what? Thunderbird, here I come!
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here's what makes me sick. 2 weeks ago at the Harley Museum, all they ranted about was how Buell brought a championship home to Harley. And the topper??

Ritchie Morris getting a HD Museum pass for giving said museum one of Eslick's race bikes.

RMR....take that bike back.
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

it ain't there yet. and if it was me, it never would be.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So now the American "Sportbike" Alternative is a 580 lb bike with maybe 80 horsepower? Its a NICE bike , but really I am not in the mood to be NICE : |
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Slicker I'll sell you my 620lb V Rod Sport Bike? I think you can get a 240mm knobby tire for it
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Sparky
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm going out right now to ride my '96 S1 Lightning and follow it up with a ride on my '09 1125R to honor Erik Buell and the Elves for bringing true American Sportbikes to the World. Let's go riding!
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

REQUEST DENIED.

F*#K HARLEY DAVIDSON AND EVERYTHING THEY STAND FOR.

I TRULY HOPE THEY'RE NEXT OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
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99savage
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not going to take the time to "bash" HD (HD bashers are a bore) HOWEVER not likely to buy a new one.

If I ever get another scooter going to do what I planned on doing before discovering the Ulysses - Going to find a restored "classic" - Thinking an Airhead BMW
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Sayitaintso
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Guess what? Thunderbird, here I come!

Before you pull the trigger on the T-bird, take a look at the Yammi Raider..... you'll be doing yourself a favor if you do. For a cruiser, its a nice bike and not at a crazy price point.
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Spatten1
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm keeping my XB for the long-haul. The XB will the Sunday driver, now an instant classic.

Less interest than ever in riding a Harley. Back to the Japanese stuff for my other rides, it's always performed great and been reliable.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dumping Buell and MV....thats some funny shit there. Bill Maher is correct, America is a nation of pinheads. Ride on HD - you wont be getting my money.
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Buelleaver
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's okay to bash Harley today.. They do suck..Ever go on a poker run and see them broken down all over the place on the side of the road?
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Fuzzz
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've always said, "I love my Harley, but I fear upper management" and decisions like this reinforce my opinion of the MoCo...
I won't spend another dime at any H-D dealership, unless it's on Buell clearance items...
I just hope Erik and Co. can find a way to keep making the fine motorcycles that we love...
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Jramsey
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If rumors, ill thoughts and bullshit could fly this forum would be an airport.

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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd be Capt. Sully.
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P_squared
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The MoCo made a decision. If it's the right or wrong decision remains to be seen. If it was based purely on business reasons or if there is something more remains to be seen as well.

What happens next has the potential to be very interesting.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Erik can turn lemons into lemonade.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>Before you pull the trigger on the T-bird, take a look at the Yammi Raider<<

I disagree.
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M2statz
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I will not bash HD but pictures speak a thousand words. I hope this is in HD's future

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Shupe
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was a little concerned when they went outside the company for the latest CEO. Didn't he come from Johnson Controls, a Detroit automaker supplier?
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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

after mulling on the events of the day ( Ive done maybe 1/2 hour of productive work today ) some things jump out at me.

reading information Court has posted in Court in session leads me to think that some information is missing,
what were buells earnings or losses.
this period and then last.

I understand Focusing on what your best at
We saw the hardys fast food chanin do that here by narrowing the menu, and building a rather tasty and unhealthy thick burger, many other items were removed from the menu, some like the chicken stayed,
it for the most part seems to have worked.

Where did they "the board" get that HD is appealing to many younger folks?

Most younger folks I know are trying to raise kids and or are not well established enough to have the means to afford a new bike (think harley prices), further many are much more credit / money savvy and will not be willing to use HDMC credit.
the ones that will in the few that I have listened to could be considered bad risks.

Like hardys focusing on what you are good at is a great idea, however they should pickup on the cue, hardys did not drop fried Chicken, they reduced the number and type of avaialable side dishes, and other sandwhiches.
I guess If I want chicken I will look else where, from my prospective with almost no facts,

it appears that HD upper management has cast off buell at a significant loss when the production could have been cut and the work force reduced, or idled for periods of time, in some respects it also appears that there may have been other issues in play ( corperate infighting )

not facts mind you but interesting supposition, to be pondered from the porch.

'oldog
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Am I the only one that feels a real urge to buy a H-D sicker and put it on upside down?
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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 05:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

why give them frackers your money for a sticker.

parts I have to buy, I will buy them localy and through our sponsors,
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Xb9er
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When Buell recovers from this and makes a big come back I hope Erik gives the ceo of HD a huge hay maker.
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