| Author | Message | ||
     Buellinachinashop |
Agreed. The info fountain is now dry Blake. I respect everybody enough not to cause a rukas. Bads1, I apologize for ruffling the feathers. | ||
| Bads1 |
John, No apology necessary. Its all good. Just seen and heard of people losing a great job because of a leak. And as far as dealer's..... well even though you may know them well I have found that alot of there info a good part of the time is as valuable as the lint in your pockets. The dealers that Sponsor this board though are true enthusiasts of Buell and have plenty to offer. So hangout and welcome to the sight.....a wealth knowledge. Blake I didn't say check IP's on BMC or HD's behalf. I just seen John change his profile in a manner that made me think that he may not be who he said he was. John for that I am sorry. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Buell's next engine, my take......is going to take money out of my pocket. I should start priming the wife now on why I need a new bike...  "Look Hon, it has this, and that, oh yes it is much safer than my old bike" Her answer =  | ||
| Bads1 |
To funny Wolf. All I have to say is hey Hon and answer is... take two there small.lol | ||
| Rocketman |
This is the most bizarre allegiance I can think of. The BadWeB would protect Buells secrets? Believe me, if I get a scoop pic of the next Buell I'd not only put it up here, I'd give it to MCN UK. Rocket | ||
| Thespive |
What is the big deal? Whether he is right or wrong, all he is doing is fueling speculation and hype for Buell, which is not a bad thing. You guys can be a little too sensitive sometimes. And if you wanted to play in the Buell rumor mill, where else would you go but here? I deal in rumor and speculation all the time when doing spy reports for the magazine. Nothing tickles a manufacturer more than a busy internet chat board discussing a possible future product, especially considering all the unsolicited ideas and input they are getting. Someone at Buell is probably reading this with a big smile on his face, loving the discussion - well, until the bickering. Just because someone says something on the internet doesn't make it true, but it lets us all bench race and share our ideas, and fuels the flames of discussion. I don't see how anyone got hurt here, especially Buell. BTW, haven't we all been guessing some sort of new engine is on the way anyhow? --Sean (Message edited by thespive on January 04, 2007) | ||
| Swampy |
As rumors go I have one..... It turns out that in passing one of my friend's, daughter's, husband, was taking a trip to do some testing on an engineering project, and since I was going to the same vicinity she spilled the beans why he was going there, what the project was, and who it was for. I could hear him in the background on the phone yelling "your are not supposed to tell anybody!" So the moral of the story is: If you want information, go to the person who is least likely to have it! | ||
| Blake |
"This is the most bizarre allegiance I can think of. The BadWeB would protect Buells secrets?" You may be confused. We were concerned with protecting someone's employment at Buell/H-D. Would you publish a pic if it would get a friend fired? Of course you wouldn't.  MCN doesn't deserve any sort of Buell scoop. From what I've seen, they just make stuff up. Very poor form. | ||
| Blake |
I used to have such great fun in my early days working on the B2. I wasn't able to tell anyone what I worked on. So I would just play it up really big and tell folks who asked about my work things like: "You wouldn't believe what I am working on!" "It is so unbelievably cool!" "The truth is so much more interesting than fiction." "It would blow your mind." And of course the obligatory, "I'm sorry, I can't go into any details about my work." When the existence of the program was finally declassified, my fun was spoiled. The only difference was that I could say that I worked on the B2, but still nothing else specific. Heck. I still can't. I wonder if they'll ever send me a letter if/when the whole thing is declassified, you know, like 50 years from now. LOL. | ||
| Rocketman |
First off, Buell isn't the military. Secondly, MCN UK is the worlds largest motorcycle weekly publication. I've been reading it every week for 30 years give or take and I like it for one reason more than any other motorcycle publication. It is a motorcycle newspaper. But MCN go one step further and also publish as if they were a monthly magazine but on a weekly basis. The only thing missing is the glossy paper. I mention this because MCN has published an awful lot of positive stuff about Buells over the past 10 years since the S1 hit the streets. Blake you wouldn't know this so stop the lie. You wouldn't tolerate a lie of any other nature on the BadWeB so why help create one when you are very clearly uninformed? Thirdly, I would put up the scoop pic even if a friend would be fired. I hate the ridiculous secrecy that the HD empire surrounds itself with. Leaking out information from time to time is a healthy practice. It keeps people interested and watching. Rocket | ||
| Court |
Blake is dead right on this one. I, personally, could care less about the speculation. Hell, this time of year we see it all, turbo's, 1350cc, Yamazuki motors, and electric turbines. . . the internet is a fun place for that. What I oppose, well aware of the people who have lost their jobs for such behavior, is the "A dealer", " a friend at Harley", etc TOLD ME. I seriously doubt that anyone from Harley-Davidson would say a word. IF they are. . . read this loudly, THEY ARE STUPID. I witnessed a fellow appear at the desks of 2 employees, one a 17 year the other a 15 year veteran, hand them each a box and tell them they had 15 minutes to be out the front door. I've seen 4 folks loose their jobs, deservedly so, for their inability to keep confidential information confidential on the internet. Me? . . I'm rootin' for a Buell Pratt and Whitney allegiance, but I don't expect to hear about it from anyone inside Buell or Harley. . . my "contacts" are smarter than that. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Hey now... there are some ex GE Aircraft engine folks around here.... why would you want a smoking rattling Pratt turbine in there The last engine program I was involved in had an intake valve about 8 feet wide | ||
| Slaughter |
I don't have any contacts (they're a pain in dry wind under a helmet from what I've heard) - but I can recommend reading glasses from Walgreens - if you shop carefully, they go on sale - 2 pair for $17. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
I'd like to say that I made a huge huge mistake. The motor that HD is developing is for the new Polaris Atv, my bad. | ||
| Slaughter |
Google up Tularis or Tul-aris. Way cool racebike... 2-smoke though. (I know it's not what we're talking about above but it WAS a good marriage of a motor to a chassis - too bad the rules everywhere are phasing out 2-strokes) | ||
| Eboos |
Why would HD be developing an engine for Polaris, the parent company of Victory? I would guess that the discontinuation of the XB9R would suggest that there is something up the sleeve at Buell, and we won't have to wait until 09 or 10 to see it. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
HD..developing a motor for Polaris...owned by ASV...but Polaris owns Victory...I don't have any contacts, but I think it would be a chilly day in the netherworld when HD developed anything for a competitor in the US. My six pence..funny though, nice rumor. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
the 9 isn't gone until 08 and the new models are slated for 09. Cmon, you don't really believe HD would place one of their motors in a ATV do you? | ||
| Court |
H-D does a great deal of contract development work and some of you have spied some of it on the roads near Milwaukee. Bear in mind we are talking about the firm that, until not long ago, was a major of bomb casings to the U.S. Govt. | ||
| Road_thing |
"Thirdly, I would put up the scoop pic even if a friend would be fired." Wow. With friends like that, who needs enemies? rt | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
Blake- In at least one comparo, the XB12X Ulysses bested the BMW R1200GS. Taking an XB9R and doing that requires more than any run of the mill shade-tree mechanic could ever hope to achieve. Non-engineering professionals rarely if ever truly appreciate the scale and scope of work of engineering professionals. Actually I do have a degree in mechanical engineering, though my studies were not specific to motorcycles. I did say that the XB12X was the most different XB. But it is an XB engineered to be an on/off road bike. But it's fairly simple... the only real requirement was the suspension. Of course the ergonomics were a close second. I'm not saying that they just slapped some parts on it. Of course they took the time to design the changes to all work together. If they hadn't then the bike would not perform so well. It really is a testament to what an awesome design the XB is. But as I see it everything that is in the XB line has been an evolution from the first XB9R design. I'm sure we can agree on that. | ||
| Jimidan |
Rocketman sez: Thirdly, I would put up the scoop pic even if a friend would be fired. I hate the ridiculous secrecy that the HD empire surrounds itself with. Leaking out information from time to time is a healthy practice. It keeps people interested and watching. Really? That is cold!  Regardless of what you think about the evil empire and the supposed benefits of leaking out some juicy info, undercutting a friend is a whole other issue. Thanks for the warning. jimidan | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
There's a difference between HD/Buell reading the board and people from that board going out of their way to be tattle tales. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Rumors, I heard one. I was told that the motors may not be made in Milwaukee anymore. The story went something like this. HD wants to update the factory and went to the Unions for some help with benefit costs. The Union told HD to go pound sand. So now HD is looking to relocate the engine plant out of Wisconsin. My vote is for Columbus Oh. If that helps in any decision making.  | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
HD motors aren't made in Milwaukee anymore! | ||
| Jimidan |
UrillyRinachinashopR'tU sez: There's a difference between HD/Buell reading the board and people from that board going out of their way to be tattle tales. And the difference is? When you post to the WWW, anybody with a computer can read it in the whole World. There is absolutely no privacy on a non-secured site (secured site = https: ), so when you post here, YOU are the tattletale. jimidan | ||
| Johnnymossville |
I'm going to just throw this out as my take on the next Buell engine. It's going to be a tiny 750/800cc water-cooled narrow v4, with the option of doing a 1000cc version. Now, I just read that interesting article as most of you probably have also, where Erik said he wanted to give the Air-Cooled Sportster Engine a fair shot at being all it can be. I applaud him for that because he's made one sweet handling Bike that is FUN to ride and has become fairly powerful and reliable in the process. But I also think he knows it's not going to hold everyone's interest forever. They are definitely working on something, surely a V, as it fits in well with the current Buell Fuel in Frame ideas and Mass centralization. It'll be torquey, have huge HP potential, and carry Buell and Maybe the Sportster, for many more years, leaving Erik to continue his cool chassis engineering tricks he's been doing for so long now. Harley has worked on V4's before, it's not a stretch from what they have now as an I4 will never fly. The V may also fit into future Sportster based bikes giving them the much needed bonus of volume, bringing cost per bike down. anyway, that's what my crystal ball says. | ||
| Ezblast |
I personally think it will still be air cooled - a 720cc, a short stroke 1200cc, and a long stroke 1400cc - that would fill all the current needs and give more power to the masses - lol GT - JBOTDS! EZ  | ||
| Rocketman |
I witnessed a fellow appear at the desks of 2 employees, one a 17 year the other a 15 year veteran, hand them each a box and tell them they had 15 minutes to be out the front door. I've seen 4 folks loose their jobs, deservedly so, for their inability to keep confidential information confidential on the internet. Sorry to disappoint but my friends are not the kind of friends that work for the Gestapo, so they're job safe. Rocket | ||
| Diablobrian |
I heard a rumor that the next engine is going to be a gas turbine with an afterburner. The really trick part is that it will burn straight nitro-methane and have a thrust vectoring nozzle and hover mode! FWIW I do know that jet engines run on kerosene/jp5/diesel fuel so no need to educate me on the subject |
