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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In the immortal words of the Highlander, "There can be only One!"



(Message edited by pwnzor on August 24, 2006)
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Lastcyclone
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How come Blake and JScott get to say "Bullshit" on here and I can't?
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Jscott
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just repeated the sentimate.
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 07:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My God, you all sound like the Buell haters now, just toward a different bike! Don't bitch next time someone tells they think a Buell is Ugly, crappy, slow, under powered
(which a lot of YOU bitch about). Funny when the shoe's on the other foot, you all act the same. I think it's a good looking bike. Doesn't mean I'd own one. But good for them none the less.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A hundred nickels would net you $5. Exaggeration is not much different than lying in my book. It sure ruins one's credibility. As you wish. No, I've not heard that sentiment expressed nearly as often as you claim. In fact, not often at all. But hey, I hang out here, where folks are enthused about their Buell motorcycles. Funny idea to some I know, but I like it here just fine. : ) My Buell is the best bike for me, period. I like the engine a lot. In fact, I think it rocks!



"But that same motor is identical to the SV650 in performance"
That is not what I recall seeing. I recall it being inferior in power performance.
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Jscott
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Exaggeration is not much different than lying in my book. It sure ruins one's credibility."

Blake, you crack me up. I use a figure of speech and suddenly I'm an uncredible liar. Civility. Every thread becomes déjà vu .

(Message edited by JScott on August 24, 2006)
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

See, I told ya Jscott. Some Buell owners....very touchy!!

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Kandie
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It reminds me of those icky bugs that have the pinchers on their butts.
Can I say bullshit too?!
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bullshit.
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Indy_bueller
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 08:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Forgive my blasphemous attitude, but I personally wish Mr. Fischer luck.
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Thepup
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jscott,you should know better by now,no use bringing up any other bike on this "forum".
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Jscott
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 11:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Forgive my blasphemous attitude, but I personally wish Mr. Fischer luck."

You are forgiven my son. Go forth and say five "Allah AkBuell's" for penance.

"Jscott,you should know better by now,no use bringing up any other bike on this "forum"."

First I'm basically called a liar and uncredible. Now your calling me a slow learner!!! How's that for putting words in your mouth?

Most of these threads start out with some sort of intelligent/civil dialogue, but unfortunately they tend to deteriorate rapidly.


(Message edited by JScott on August 24, 2006)
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Thepup
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I find you being called a liar,a little ironic myself.
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Thepup
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

P.S
I love the looks of the Fischer.I would go with the Triumph 675 if I was in the market for a bike,but a Fischer would get some consideration
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Blake
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 04:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What figure of speech did you use that I miscontrued Jscott? A figure of speech is something like "you look like a million bucks", or "She's a real knockout", saying that if you had a nickel for every time you've heard someone complain about the Buell engine you'd have a $100K, well, that is just plain old wild exaggeration. It sure as heck ain't a figure of speech.

But whatever, as you wish. I just don't appreciate that kind of dialogue. On account of it is bullshit. Like I said, it doesn't do much for one's credibility.




Puppy boy,
You are really wearing out your welcome here. Not sure why you hang out here at all. Strange that you wish to expound negatively at almost every turn with respect to Buell motorcycles, but when someone has a negative view of another brand, you become offended to the point of complaining publicly. Something ain't right here puppy boy.

Clue #1: This is a community of Buell motorcycle enthusiasts.

Hint #2: We all like and are enthused about our Buell motorcycles, and we come here to learn and talk about them, enthusiastically.

If you don't have a clue or cannot take a hint, it might be best to simply be quite and stop annoying the rest of us. Capice? : |
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 06:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Capice?

Or what? He gonna find a download of a big fish in his Inbox?




Nobody disrespects The Blakefather.
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 06:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Got news for you Blake, the "If I had a nickel for every time I........" IS a figure of speech.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that figure of speech.......
Who the hell made you the King of figures of speech?!
Lighten up. That's a figure of speech too. Doesn't mean I think you should lose wight or anything.
Try following your own damn rules and quit insulting everyone that doesn't agree with your every word.
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Thepup
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 06:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake,stating facts is not being negative towards Buell and I'm not offended at all about anyones view about another bike.I do think you calling someone a liar is pretty ironic though.Blake,you can always ban me,then I would just take my "Buell Negativety"to other boards,which is no big deal.I am just curious what got your panties in a bunch,I know what it is,I didn't call the Fischer bike a pile of dog doo,and immediately worship at the Buell altar,sorry it's not going to happen.
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Bomber
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I KNOW I'm not the only guy on this board that remembers when Honda first arrived in the US -- the word on the internet boards at the time (A.K.A, around the coffee machine at Suburban HD and Triumph, and at Fred's BSA/Areil/and Stormdoor) sounded a great deal like the buzz on this thread -- sheesh

I know the market is very different today, and I'm not equating Fischer with late 50s/early 60s Honda by any matter of means -- I sure do wish my Grandad HAD purchased the Honda franchise he was offerd in the early 60s though --

the scoot in question ain't my cuppa tea, the styling is pretty derivative of a number of Eyetalian concept bikes (but who's isn't?), but I wish Fischer all the luck in the world -- more competition in the market is always good, and the motorcycle industry, overall, has become pretty darned limited in many ways -- Fischer and the other emerging manufacturers are far more likely to bring new people into motorcycling than they are to take sales away from better established brands -- I see that as a good thing

break break

there are many organizations and clubs that exist primarily to exclude others, rather than to bring people together -- College Fraternaties, some signle Brand Motorcycle Clubs, political parties {smile} -- these folks set themselves apart with secret handshshakes, buzzwords no one else groks, and general exude an aura of self-satisfaction and superiority --

not for me, thanks -- more riders are a good thing!
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Henrik
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

While I know nothing about the quality of the product, I like the options available for the Fisher, and it's a great idea if it'll fly financially and logistically.

I would have loved to head to my SV dealer and order the bike with GSXR spec front end and light wheels. The race spec belly pan is a great idea as well. I find the idea of being able to buy a bike with all the "big" items made to my preference very appealing. Of course I'd have "missed out" on the many late nights agonizing over how the fit that GXSR front end and make the speedo, dash and headlight mount work ... : )

And like Bomber I much prefer variety of opinions. This thread, like many threads lately, is taking a turn for the worse.

Henrik
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Grndskpr
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hint #2: We all like and are enthused about our Buell motorcycles, and we come here to learn and talk about them, enthusiastically.

You continue(which is not a bad thing) to exclude motorcycle enthusiast, which for some steared them toward Buell in the first place, sometime a motorcycle enthusuast, can love a particular brand, and still welcome others. I know of a fellow who still owns some odd little cushman, which i would love to ride sometime, as well as other brands, including the Fisher
While there are bikes i know i wouldn't own, i still wouldn't mind taking it for a spin, and until that happens i will reserve judgment
In contrast, thee were bikes that i thought i had to have, and in return were sold rather quickly, because while i thought they would suit my riding style, in reality they hurt or were harder to ride than i ever thought could be true
Oh well thats just me
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Pwnzor
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's my opinion that if someone is hearing people put down the Buell motor, someone must be talking to himself. I've not heard a single person put this motor down except on the internet.

The closest thing I've heard to a negative comment was loosely based around the words "heavy" and "vibration". The words I ALWAYS hear are "wow" and "sweet" and the like.

If someone wants to listen to ricers bitch about a bike they don't own then I suppose someone is entitled to an opinion, no matter what it's based on.

(Message edited by pwnzor on August 25, 2006)
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Jscott
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 11:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"If someone wants to listen to ricers bitch about a bike they don't own then I suppose someone is entitled to an opinion, no matter what it's based on."

Brilliant statement. I'm hopeful and sure that many will extend the same courtesy towards you.

(Message edited by JScott on August 25, 2006)
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Road_thing
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Scene: the town square in Fayetteville, TX, a couple of summers ago.

It's a beautiful spring Sunday morning, and I'm out for a ride on the grey-primer S2 rat-bike. I've just had a big country breakfast at Orsak's Cafe, and I'm fat & happy.

Not surprisingly, there was another group of riders in the cafe, too and we finished eating and walked out together. They were mounted on sporty-bikes, mostly Japanese, and they're parked next to my rat.

As I walk up and put the key back in my bike, one of the other guys says something like, "Buell, huh? You must live near here, those things are so unreliable, nobody should ever ride one too far from home!" (the guy must've been a Sacborger ...) If memory serves, he was putting his key in an older FZ-something.

I resist the urge to say something snappy like, "Yeah? So's your momma!" I just say, "Well, I've had good luck with it. How do you like your Yamaha?" Tells me it's great, runs like the wind, corners like it's on rails, leaps tall buildings in a single bound, etc. Then he turns the key, pushes the starter button, and gets...


...nothing.


Not a click. No lights. No horn. No nuthin'.

By now my helmet's buckled up, so I fire up the S2, drop it in gear and say "Well, enjoy your ride!"

Then I motor off towards New Ulm while he and his buddies get ready to start the push-start drill.

Life is good.

rt
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Bomber
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

so THAT"S where you learned to puch start bikes

;-}
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José_quiñones
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"If Buell had this x or y engine......"

I have heard that comment too, hundreds of times, particularly at AMA/CCS/FUSA/ASRA/WREA events.

In fact if somebody ever writes a book about Buell that should be the title.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Jscott, I expect nothing less than what I give.
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Jayvee
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mentioning about getting this bike serviced as a down-side sounds funny, considering all the complaining I've read about Buells "serviced" by a dealer.

This doesn't look any 'worse' (nor better) than the latest crop of the usual Japanese bikes. (That's "crop".)
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Greenlantern
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"...with the Korean motor, the "American" made part is a bit of a stretch."

Just a point, If something is designed and then assembled in (Insert your country here)then it is indeed made in that country.I always think of the finished product and not it's components as the deciding factor.Otherwise you start down the "Well Showa forks use Chinese springs which are made from Laotian steel which was purchased from Canada after the French/ Salvation Army Wars......." path which sort makes me's heads hoits. Oh yeah, Does that aerodynamic point on that gas generate some kind of air foil at your crotch which prevents you from being impaled upon it in the first place?!?!
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Court
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

Yeah I know, Court has made it well known how he feels about Fischer, MotoCzsyz, and Roehr. He will call them wannabe hobbyist, and then he will quote Steve Jobs saying "Genius ship"! Then he will bring up the perimeter brake on the Honda NAS, etc.

Others like myself think the more the merrier!




I'd put myself in the "more the merrier" crowd as well. None of my remarks about any of the wannabes have ever attacked the motorcycle. Generally, it just frustrates me to see these folks start their life in the industry by loading all 16 rounds in the clip, pointing it at their foot and holding the trigger down.

I'll quote American motorcycle builder Erik Buell (February 1997)


quote:

I did it the old fashioned way, I built the motorcycle first



Fischer sure caught my eye with that $92,000 price cut. How ya'lall 'spose they did that?

Like Henrik, I think the options are a cool idea. But case in point, that's INCREDIBLY "some of you recall the "have it your way" 1998 Buell S3's) difficult to do in practice.

If I were in the infancy stages, I'd standardize everything I could, define my market and know it well rather than dangle "variable cook to order bait".

Just some thoughts from someone who, until a year ago, had Buell (S-2, CityX), Cushman (711 Highlander), Yahama (TW200), Kawasaki (KLR650),Suzuki (DR-Z400) and a BMW (F650) parked at the house. Kinda shoots the argument that I am moto-myoptic down, eh?

By the way, I'm spending the weekend on a Suzuki. . . that bad?

: )
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