| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous |
$300K came from one of the factory riders, and isn't surprising. Honda spent over $100,000 for exhausts for Miguel's FX bike last year. That number came from the head engineer for the company that made them. No, most privateers don't have that much in them, but a number of them have a lot in their bikes, too. And at Road America Steve Crevier was ahead of bikes that cost a lot more, and behind none that didn't. Ditto for Jeremy at Sears. RRW ran a series of articles on bikes in that class the first year it existed, and it has gone up since then. And compared to those bikes the XBRR is priced significantly less. | ||
| Anonymous |
Oh, and in Daytona qualifying, the only bikes that went faster than Jeremy were Hondas and Yamahas. And they were all on Dunlops, which absolutely have better qualifying tires than Pirelli. | ||
| Captpete |
Oh, I'm glad I found this thread. This is where the pros are calling one another names and punching each other in the face like gentlemen, but leaving all the mothers and grandmothers out of the fray. Much better than those threads where the amateurs stand around bitch-slapping each other. Plus, I may have learned something about the RR effort on one of these pages. Maybe. Carry on, gents.  | ||
| Bigeasy |
Well screw it I will give my two cents in this matter. I am just happy Buell is in there and racing! For the naysayers u cant just show up and expect to win with a new bike. Takes time to devlope. Go Buell and keep going screw what others say. Good luck to you. I will cheer for yo evertime! I own 5 bikes and my 2004 lightning is my favorite. Although not the fastest of them. As they say Rome was not built in a day. Its so easy to critizie when you are not the one making the decizions. Sorry about my horriable spelling but I never could do it well, my father has the same problem. Ask me to do math and thats a different story plus i am buzzed. Just got off a 18 hour shift and at the end we cleaned the hood. For all u line cooks out there u know what i am talking about. Dont worry though no dui am sleeping in the office. Art (Message edited by bigeasy on July 14, 2006) | ||
| Captpete |
Oh, yeah... And Go Buell | ||
| Bomber |
hell, go ANYBODY that's got what it takes to race at that level -- sheesh, I cannot believe that anyone can, with a straight face, deride a 14th in a strong field containing an good representation of international talent on a brand spanky new bike -- I'm curious to know which of the debators have ever raced anything other than a bench? these threads are fun to watch -- sorta like listening to grad students argue the relative merits of durned near anything, having only read secondary sources . . . . Hey, Pete, you can come over a take a swing at me anytime, bud ;-} | ||
| Hootowl |
I wish I was as fast as the slowest rider out there. I'd kick all your arses around the track. | ||
| Midknyte |
It was a great review, all thats needed is for someone to finish a race in first place It did. The first race [one of them] was in. The RR's did not hold up thru the 200, but it did take one of the other races. Someone chime in and fill in the details here that I can't remember, and admittedly, I don't have the patience to search for... | ||
| Blake |
I believe Josh Hayes let it slip on Two Wheel Tuesday with Greg White that his FX machine cost some $350K. Not sure if it was Josh or not, but I know it was one of the factory riders; it may have even been Eric Bostrom. Pretty sure it has been reported elsewhere too, like by RRW and/or CW. | ||
| Captpete |
Thanks, Bomber, but I think you've had an adequate thrashing already. Besides, I'm too old for anything but spectating. But I like that, and you've done good. ;-} | ||
| Diablobrian |
Bomber, I don't race, but I do wrench on a race team. ASRA/CCS #56 Michael Snell is my brother. (featured in the last issue of Fuell) Do I pass the credibility test? Ben Spies dropped the $300k number in an interview just before the Daytona 200. | ||
| Jima4media |
Ben Spies wasn't in the Daytona 200, and he doesn't race in FX. Was he talking about his Yoshimura GSX-R1000 for Superbike? (Message edited by jima4media on July 14, 2006) | ||
| Diablobrian |
No He was giving an interview because they caught him there on hot pit row. He talked a few seconds about what it cost to go racing in the 200 or something along those lines along with other questions they laid on him to fill some time while waiting for the start. They interviewed Ben because he was NOT on a bike on the grid, but HAD raced FX before. So he may know something about an fx bike and what they cost, you think? He was definitely not talking about a superbike. Those are even more expensive. (Message edited by diablobrian on July 14, 2006) (Message edited by diablobrian on July 14, 2006) | ||
| Jima4media |
Ben Spies contract is up at the end of this season, and would be a good rider for someone to pick up, if he doesn't decide to go to MotoGP. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Anonymous said: Oh, and in Daytona qualifying, the only bikes that went faster than Jeremy were Hondas and Yamahas. And they were all on Dunlops, which absolutely have better qualifying tires than Pirelli. Just out of curiousity, is this why Buell was using the Dunlops as the OEM tire? Or was it some kind of contractual obligation? | ||
| Blake |
Unrelated. H-D has been using Dunlop for some time now, so it wouldn't be surprising if Dunlop was a thrifty deal for Buell and it might have been suggested that BMC use Dunlop tires too, just like HDMC. All in the family, you know? But with the Pirellis performing so much better on the XBs, that finally changed. Just guessing. But the race tire scenario probably didn't have anything to do with the commercial side of things. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
I thought it was probably something like that. Thanks Blake.  | ||
| Bomber |
Brian -- no test inferred, sir ;-} just wondering about the background and experience of some of the internet heros, is all you sir, are a real hero, racing notwithstanding (is there an emoticon for saluting?) Pete -- yeah, me too (spectating, that is, specially this kind of virtual caber tossing!) -- my girlses may disagree about my having received sufficient slappin around, though (women being tougher than men, after all) | ||
| Diablobrian |
Sorry Bomber, didn't mean to get my hackles up. I do understand that there are a lot of "experts" out there. I'm the first to admit it if I'm wrong, and I invite people to let me know if I am so that i can correct the error of my ways. As far as anything else goes, I'm just a regular guy trying to do the best I can with what I've got. Nothing more. I do work hard at being my kids hero though. It is a stupid man that thinks he has nothing more to learn. | ||
| What_the |
Sooo.... What are the predictions for Laguna? The weather looks stellar for the week. The trailer left Friday for a one day shakedown/test at an undisclosed location, then on to Monterey with some interesting changes, on the bike, in the bike, and attached to the bike. but...  | ||
| Crusty |
I've been watching Buells race for a few years; and, while I have my hopes, I won't make any predictions. I also grew up watching the Red Sox, so I'm no stranger to having my hopes dashed. I would dearly love to see an XBRR beat an Erion Honda, but I don't expect it. The Buells will have my attention, and I am pulling for them to do well. Maybe all the planets will align just so, and Pluto will be in the doghouse of Uranus, or some other Astrological phenomenon will be right for a change in the fortunes that have plagued Buell's FX Racing efforts to date. I sure hope so, but I've been watching for too many years to make predictions. The Red Sox finally won a World Series, so anything could happen, right? (Message edited by Crusty on July 17, 2006) | ||
| Indy_bueller |
I wonder if they have thier wieght issues dealt with. Erik said at Homecoming that they needed to loose 20 lbs or something like that. | ||
| What_the |
It's lost a few kilos..  | ||
| Diablobrian |
I'll take the bait....I'll bet Jezza and Hale put XBRRs in the top 10, maybe better. | ||
| Davegess |
Jezza, perhaps has an unexpected advantage, they changed the corkscrew this year. If it has changed enough to make the old line not the fast way 'round Jezza has shown that he figures out new racetracks breathtakingly fast. I can't wait. | ||
| Jimidan |
You guys sure give ol' Jima4media the business, calling him names and deriding his character. I think this type of censure is unbecoming and unnecessary, and I thought personal attacks were prohibited. I guess there is a double standard if the object is someone who has questioned the existence of the Holy Grail. I know this is a Buell enthusiast site (which is probably why Jima4 is on here, as he IS a Buell enthusiast), but I agree with him that folks seem to get a little weird and supersensitive sometimes. It appears that absolutely no criticism and very little critical thought of the XBRR racing program is allowed unless it is glowing. This site needs guys like Jima4 or it would get pretty boring reading all of the "Go Buells" cheerleaders posts. The best threads seem to be those that there is at least some diversity and differing opinions expressed. Can't folks just turn down the strong rhetoric a bit and debate the issues without getting all mad? Shucks, I will probably catch hell for just calling attention to this happening, and the Lord knows I am pulling for Buells to do well as much as anybody in the class for which they were designed...FX. I have been on the receiving end of the flames before, so I can take it. BTW, Go Buells...and Jima4, keep up the critical analysis. It keeps everything honest. | ||
| Jimidan |
Regarding Ben Spies' comment about a $300,000 FX bike, as I recall, he said he would love to ride a $300,000 600 but Suzuki didn't want to do it for financial reasons. The question is does Ben know what the heck he is talking about or was it just an off the hand comment? It makes sense that Suzuki would not want to develop another 600 superbike platform as they already are spending a bundle on the 1000 Superbikes, which have been very successful this year. All other manufacturers in FX should be glad they have made this choice. The majority of bikes in FX are true privateers with no real factory support, and they do not have a prayer of winning a race. Many have bone-stock engines and are really Supersport machines. Some bring their FX bikes to the track in the back of pick-'em-up trucks. | ||
| Blake |
Jimi, What the heck are you ranting about wrt JimA?  Did I miss something? Turn down the strong rhetoric? You are kidding right? I mean sheesh. Everyone can speak their mind here, no one has been prohibited from doing so as long as they avoid malicious personal attacks. Did I miss something? May we all not speak our minds? Admit it, you're just an old softy for the underdog aren't you. | ||
| Jimidan |
Blake, yeah, I guess I am a bit of a softy when I see what I consider piling on just because some see things a bit differently. I think it is good for a healthy dose of skepticism to be interjected just to keep things interesting, without it resulting in personal attacks or condescending comments. Anony and M1 and others sure seemed to be enjoying jumping on poor ol' Jima4 for simply stating his case. I would go back and pull up the quotes but I don't know how to go between the archived sections and back to this post without wiping it clean. But they are there to be read for any who want to stroll back in time. Jima4 is not just some ignorant troll...come on! He is not making violent attacks...geez. It is not like he can't read the thread and comprehend it. He doesn't really need to get a grip on who said what and then type, or to sit back, relax, drink a beer and then read what was said again...and then come back when he has figured it out. Admittedly, he is not cut out of the cheerleader fabric either...but the guy is a Buell fan, that much is obvious, and what he has to say has merit. Is it obvious yet that I had one of those "QUESTION AUTHORITY" stickers on my bumper when I was a kid  ? jimi | ||
| Jimidan |
Blake sez: "Unrelated. H-D has been using Dunlop for some time now, so it wouldn't be surprising if Dunlop was a thrifty deal for Buell and it might have been suggested that BMC use Dunlop tires too, just like HDMC. All in the family, you know? But with the Pirellis performing so much better on the XBs, that finally changed. Just guessing. But the race tire scenario probably didn't have anything to do with the commercial side of things." But isn't it interesting (and timely) that Buell has announced that all of its new bikes will be shod with Pirellis? jimi |
