| Author | Message | ||
     Stou |
My wife made me a nice sweatshirt with a Buell logo. What do you think of it?  | ||
| Dave |
That's cool! DAve | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
very cool..... jt | ||
| Cochise |
WRONG DAVE  | ||
| Cochise |
I'm not picking a fight, mind you, but in this case, The name Buell is used and the phrase American Motorcycles. For Buell to have a problem with it, it would most likely have the letters (tm) beside it. Also, it would need to have the oval thing around it. The patch Rusty on ATC uses, has a pegasus on it, but not the Buell Pegasus, which is OK. If he had an identical Pegasus, he would be sued. If the above sweatshirt had a Blue Oval and the phrase listed above, and made without permission, he could be sued for even wearing it. There are some funny things with name usages. | ||
| Charlieboy6649 |
Eric himself said that he didn't mind people using the likeness as long as they didn't profit from it. The question was in relation to reproduction of the Buell racing logo and the name on race bikes, but I see this as no different. | ||
| Tramp |
"WRONG DAVE " * * * .....never mind | ||
| Stou |
Cochise, the problem with trademark is if someone try to make money from it without permission. In this case this is a personal shirt that my wife did as a gift for me.... because there was no Buell shirt at my Buell dealer! Anyway, this is not even the exact font for the Buell.... | ||
| Cochise |
I'm not against you, Stou, I think that shirt happens to be very nice. | ||
| Tramp |
stou- as I'd said, i have no problem with your shirt. neither does cochise or erik buell, for that matter. it's a nice shirt. actually, though, you don't have to "make money" on someone else's design to be in violation of copyright law. someone gave you bad advice, there. the mere act of distributing, even for free, a copyrighted logo or name detracts profits form the company whom owns control of said logo or name, and thereby deprives them of potential monies that their tradmark/copyrighting is set up to protect. saying that only 'making money' on a name/logo violates copyright laws is like saying it's only illegal to distribute marijuana if you're charging for it. the violation is the violation in both cases. | ||
| Crusty |
I've got a Buell Pegasus tattoo on my arm. Do you think the Mothership's lawyers will try to make me get rid of it? Maybe they'll try to make me pay a Licensing Fee!  | ||
| Crusty |
BTW; nice shirt! | ||
| Tramp |
yep- as i said- no way you can be sued for that tat, just like you can't be sued for wearing a t-shirt with their name. | ||
| Cochise |
But they can lop your arm off for evidence. edited part...and your not going to be reselling that tattoo (Message edited by cochise on December 25, 2005) | ||
| Cochise |
The first problem was the NOT ASKING ME part. I will apologize for the part that TO ME, it looked like somebody was trying to sell a shirt. Saying, "How do you like this shirt, it will be "X" amount and it can be delivered in "X" amount of time...." sounded TO ME, again, like it was going to be made and distributed as such. A little story about my wife and a shirt that was going to be made by U.S. Polo Association, they made a "polo" style shirt with two horses with two polo guys ridng side by side. Ralph Lauren/Polo took these guys to court and won the suit, because the logo LOOKED LIKE Polo's logo. I would have rather been asked about the shirt, and then I could have nicely given my input on it. I own the rights to ATC and The American Thunderbike Club and its logos, and I prefer to have those shirts with the ATC logo on there and the same font face, so those shirts were a proverbial double edged sword. You should really pick up a book on trademark infringement law before citing this stuff. maybe listen to people who actually know what they're talking about. You mean like Julie, who has about 20 years in the clothing industry and 10 in the copyright infringement side, and by that I mean, as a Menswear Buyer, and being in COURT with, Nike, Addidas, Tommy Hilfiger, Calvin Klein, Ralph Lauren, and not exactly behind the same desk. I know, she or I may not sound smart, but I trust her knowledge more than anybody else, apart from a lawyer on this sort of stuff. If I see somebody wearing a shirt that says, American Thunderbike Motorcycle Club shirt, I am gonna be upset that the name is too close to mine and I'm gonna find out who the owner is. My problem also was also that I mentioned getting some hoodies made, which I am waiting on some bids, then coming home from work and finding the paraphrased quotes earlier, and with prices, what do you think I would, uh, think. If I said, I've got some crack Cocaine that will cost ten dollars to distribute, what do you think the cops would say, whether or not I had such product.  | ||
| Cochise |
plus the fact that I don't think you'd come on here or Sacborg and offer a shirt in the same fashion. Although it IS easier to ask for forgiveness that permission. | ||
| Dark_vapor |
Kinda weird how, "look at what wife wife made me" turns to discussions of trademark infringement. BTW, Nice shirt. I got a Buell shirt from my father this xmas as well as some Buell Logo gloves. Best gift this season for me beside my buying myself the S1 Lightning. | ||
| Dana P. |
Stou tell the wife she done good.And I'd buy one...considering that Buell doesn't have to much in casual clothing to speak of. Merry Christmas!!!! | ||
| Dave |
That's cool! DAve You people need to lighten up... | ||
| Easy_rider |
I like it..... Better than most of the stuff Buell has sold, in my opinion. | ||
| Rex |
lots of buell items on ebay.....shirts just like this one......I wonder how these guys get away with it on ebay....they are definitely using all motorcycle logos.......for profit.....REX | ||
| Captpete |
Great day in the morning! This guy’s wife gave him a beautiful present. One she made herself. A Christmas gift. As in, it’s Christmas time. Can’t you argumentative types turn it off for one day a year? It’s a lovely shirt. But better, it’s a story of love and giving, and it made me feel good. And I won’t let y’all ruin it for me. Thanks for sharing, Stou. Capt. Pete | ||
| Cochise |
I can assure, I wasn't trying to ruin it for you, or anybody. Great, Tramp erased his part so now I look like an A$$. Real adult!!  | ||
| Stou |
Kinda weird how, "look at what wife wife made me" turns to discussions of trademark infringement. That's exactly what I think..... Anyway, I really like it and it's a great gift. Captpete, you are right about that. My wife is at home raising kids, she don't have a work outside home. Raising kids (... and me ) is her work. She don't like to buy me gifts because she said it like using my money to buy me a gift. So she try hard to do find some special gifts for me and I really love this one. Thanks for those who understand that! | ||
| Crusty |
Stou, you're a fortunate man and your wife has real talent. Is that embroidery or is it a transfer? Either way, the shirt looks great. Wear it proudly. | ||
| Mountainrider |
That's cool! DAve You people need to lighten up... That is my feeling. Everything you post on here comes down to some kind of big debate. Like I have said before drink a beer and chill out. Nice shirt and great wife. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Lovely Shirt. Nicer than any official ones I have seen. Thoughtful wife. Christmas doesn't get any better than that, does it? All the othere comments are just plain Buell Shirt. (Message edited by gentleman_jon on December 26, 2005) | ||
| Bcordb3 |
Stou - Great shirt, very thoughtful and loving of your wife to take time from her busy life to craft such a wonderful gift. I agree with Gentleman jon - All the other comments are just plain Buell Shirt. | ||
| Bcordb3 |
Stou - Just checked your profile, great looking bike. One of the nicest paint schemes that I have seen. Great decal on your frame! | ||
| Bcordb3 |
Stou - Great shirt, very thoughtful and loving of your wife to take time from her busy life to craft such a wonderful gift. I agree with Gentleman jon - All the other comments are just plain Buell Shirt. |
