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Archive through July 06, 2014Shaggster30 07-06-14  10:58 am
         

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Ezetom
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2014 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Shaggster,

The B grind cams are what were found in the X1, Same as the screaming eagle hot ones or andrews n6 I believe.

I picked up a low mileage pump on ebay for $30. The cams should be here tomorrow, so I guess I'll pull it apart and see whats up.

The other heads you have, are they thunderstorm heads? if so, how much?

Tom
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Shaggster
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2014 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yes they are tom came off a 97 with under 2500 miles. they are complete with valves and valve springs and also have the pistons and new head gaskets.

where are you located tom? I'd sell them for what I have into them $250 plus shipping or if shipping isn't bad I'd pay half.
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Ezetom
Posted on Monday, July 07, 2014 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Shaggster,

I might be interested for a buddies 07 sportster.

Im in Calgary Canada.

Im sure we can take care of shipping. Let me ask him, and I will let you know.

Whats your email?

Tom
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Shaggster
Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2014 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sent you a pm tom
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Ezetom
Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2014 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks

Just curious as to what oil pressure you have now when hot and at idle..

Tom
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Shaggster
Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2014 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

idle is 12-17 and driving rpm's above 21
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Shaggster
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 12:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so how did everything work out on your motor tom?
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Ezetom
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well I have the new set of cams and lifters, and the oil pump showed up today.. Just havent had the chance to get at it yet.

I did however poke around the engine with my stethoscope, and Im pretty sure you are correct about the noise.. it seems like it is originating from the intake valve side of the rocker box, guess I will see when I pull it apart.

Will keep you posted

Tom
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Shaggster
Posted on Friday, July 18, 2014 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Run it with the top rocker box cover off and look to see if you can see it hitting on the casting of the lower portion of your rocker box cover
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Ezetom
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2014 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Shaggster

I ran it yesterday with the top and middle rocker box cover off. I couldnt really see any place where the spring retainer was hitting!... I did notice there was almost no oil in the rocker boxs though! I swapped out the oil pump last night, but havent been able to take it out and see how the oil pressure is yet (rained last night)

Tom
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Shaggster
Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2014 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

was it still making the noise?
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Ezetom
Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Seems to be, Ive been really busy with work so I havent had much time to take it out.

Im at the point where I almost just dont care! lol

Tom
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Shaggster
Posted on Friday, August 15, 2014 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What kind of flow do you have from your oil tank if you unhook the feed line from the oil pump? The noise came back on mine and I had bad oil lines and wasn't getting proper oiling to the top of the motor.. Replaced the lines and now everything runs like a dream.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, August 15, 2014 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Shaggster, did you do a post mortem on the bad line and figure out what happened? Was it visibly damaged? Plugged? Some kind of internal lining failure?
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Shaggster
Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Internal lining failure in two spots, so it swelled inward and severely restricted the flow to the point of when the new oil pump would suck the oil line completely closed.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2014 - 07:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good to know that can happen, that would be a real lurking time bomb.
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Shaggster
Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2000 x1 with 15k, just to give you an idea of time and wear that mine handled before it gave up.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 08:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just as another datapoint, I had a 2000 M2 that likely used all the same oil lines, and it was running perfectly at 30k+ miles when I traded it in.

So the lines *can* last.

Sorry if you covered this in the thread already, but did you have anything like a low oil pressure light to warn you something was going awry?

(Message edited by reepicheep on August 21, 2014)
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Shaggster
Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2014 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the oil light only flickered once shortly after I bought it but after that it functioned as it was supposed to.. or so I thought.
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Ezetom
Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Shaggster... Ive been kinda of offline for while!

So the same noise came back? And went away after you changed the oil line from the tank?

Tom
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Shaggster
Posted on Monday, December 29, 2014 - 02:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

all is well with the buell now. currently working on a custom softtail frame that the buell is going to be donored into. I'm gonna send my jim's lifters in to be inspected and replace the collapsed one or ones and re-install them into the motor.
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Ezetom
Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2015 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cool... Word of advice about "jims" I bought a bearing from them that was labelled as made in usa.. but was actually a chinese bearing that was repackaged...

I guess I will change the oil line in the spring.. colder than a witchs tit here now ; )

Tom
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Shaggster
Posted on Thursday, May 07, 2015 - 12:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

any progress tom?
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Ezetom
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2015 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the old cams out, the new ones in, but Im just waiting for some seals and rocker box gaskets from JP cycle.

I havent changed the hose from the tank to the pump yet, but It seemed to flow ok when I changed the oil about a month ago,, I guess I should prolly dump the oil again, and swap out the hose.. I cant wait to see how it runs with the new cams though,, WAYYYYY more lift on them : )
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Ezetom
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2015 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Got it all back together, noise is still there, but the power is totally different,, I like it!(I have leak though (

I ordered new rocker box cover gaskets, and and s and s air cleaner... will take it apart next week, and see if there is anything I missed any interference..
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Andersonhdj
Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 01:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rod bearing - almost certain - get it open afore you wreck it completely!
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Ezetom
Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I dont think so,, , with a stethescope,, it sounds as though the noise is coming from the rocker boxes.. Not to mention, it is exactly the same sound as shaggsters video, and his went away...

I ordered some new rocker box gaskets, and Im going to inspect everything in the top,, hopefully I can see whats making the racket..
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Ezetom
Posted on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is how it sounds now, after the new cams.

Oil pressure is 5psi at low idle, and around 20 when cruising.


https://youtu.be/I5b6dNrlQMQ
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Shaggster
Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 - 11:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

did you change out those lines? that's way too low of oil pressure! it should be between 15-25 at idle and above 30 at riding rpms. also I would take a dremel and smooth out any rough castings in the rockerbox. did you run it with the rockerbox off to see what kind of oil delivery you are getting to the top? sounds like the top is running too dry. like mine was.
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Ezetom
Posted on Friday, May 22, 2015 - 01:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Shaggster,

I havent changed the lines yet... Might be a project for the weekend though.

Just put an new air cleaner on it as well!
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Shaggster
Posted on Saturday, May 23, 2015 - 02:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

your pressures worry me.. and its still has a bit of a lifter noise
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Darkhorse
Posted on Tuesday, July 21, 2020 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Deleted post, wrong section.

(Message edited by DarkHorse on July 21, 2020)
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