| Author | Message | ||
     H_Man |
Jml, my recollections from all the posts differs a little from yours in that I recall the description of the BOSS as being resonant but not as loud as the V&H (or some of the other pipes). I haven't heard the BOSS myself, but from what I've read it is the pipe I want. However, If the BOSS really is the loudest of the pipes, I'll need to re-think my decision. I come and go at all hours and I like my neighbors. H-man | ||
| Jerome |
Chris : I have a SuperTrapp IDS on the race header and it's great. The Buell feels better at all rpm with this setup compared with the OEM 2.5" header with the same Trapp. With this, the Mikuni HSR42 and the Force aircleaner, my bike is a true torque monster and revs like never before. In one word, it's gorgeous all the time ! The longer tubes of the race header really make a big difference. IMHO my current setup is among the best setups before one goes into heavier work on heads, pistons, turbocharging, etc... | ||
| Sybren |
Does anybody have any experience with the Rino Racing exhaust on a 2000 X1? It's a Belgian company, specialized in racing. I want to know how it performs, especially compared to the Yoshimura exhaust. Thx, Sybren. | ||
| Jml |
H-Man, I want to be considerate of my neighbors and also want to be able to tune for optimum torque in the lower rpm range. I believe I am going to go with a supertrapp IDS. Can anyone advise number of disks with for best low end grunt? 2000 M2 stock except gutted air box and K&N. (will jet to match setup) Thanks, JML | ||
| Bandm |
Was installing my new race kit tonight and found the collector on the race header and stock header to be the same diameter. Race collector slides into stock muffler, stock collector slides into race muffler. The limiting factor in fitting other mufflers to the race header would seem to be length, as the race muffler is pretty short. Any muffler that looks like this Supertrapp (no elbow), with a 2.5 inch inlet should work. http://www.supertrapp.com/Harley%20Davidson/harley_page.htm Mark | ||
| Buellzebub |
the White Bros E-series works too, has a really beefy rear mount Question: what is the most discs you've run with this system succesfully? my bike was dyno tuned with 14. running 18 now, it feels stronger. i will be experimenting with more today [long bolts just came in] iv'e heard that the supertraps like anywhere from 18 to 23 discs. i'm not sure how that will cross over to the e-series, anyone out there know? FWIW e-series stock bolts: 10-24 X 1.5" Stainless Steel,good for 4 disc to 14 discs for up to 24 discs use 2.5" long. | ||
| Tims |
Sorry if this question has been done to death previously but Has anyone documented an increase in power after fitting the 2.5" header outlet pipes compared to the 2" header? All other things being equal. If any gains, is it mainly noticeable at the top end or right thought the RPM range? Is there one after market header that stands out compared to the others?? | ||
| Mikej |
Pammy, The WileyCo is two pieces, a part that connects to the headers and clamps into the front muffler mount on the engine, then the front section connects to the muffler with four allen head screws. The clamp that holds the rear of the muffler are two straps. The thing I like about the setup is that I can now remove the muffler for gear lube changes and primary adjustments without having to mess with the headers or the front clamp, and the associated wide downswing that was required with the original muffler to remove it. Sort of simplifies the installation and other work. Plus it's a little smaller and might give a little extra ground clearance. I posted pics in the muffler section, but they might have disappeared in the board crash. The sound is throaty when you want it to be. Performance seemed to wake up some, felt like it ran freer/easier as well. I'd say you could feel the difference.    MikeJ | ||
| Chrisx1 |
Jerome: Do you have the part number of the race kit header? I'm thinking about changing to that one. What front / rear mount did ou use, I have the ASB aluminum front, but I have the recall kit front if neccessary. I'm using the Supertrapp rear. Can you post pics? Does the Supertrapp mount more centered as the race can? | ||
| Pammy |
Thanks Mike, that will be very helpful to the guy who is trying to make the decision. Pammy | ||
| Mikej |
Pammy, I should add that even though I've replaced the Heimholtz box with the race filter, I'm still running the stock rejetted carb. A lot of people ask if the 2" inlet hinders the engine any. I think it's optimized to the stock carb. I don't know how it would perform with any changes like converting to a 44 carb or dual carbs or a turbo. It would be interesting if someone were planning a series of upgrades if they would dyno their bike at each stage so we could all see what each change really does. Oh well, back to the homework. MikeJ (fuzzy eyed from reading) | ||
| Jocklandjohn |
Trying to decide on which new muffler to replace the stock one. Looking at Supertrapp, White Bros or Wileyco. Question is: with the tunable types I understand the change in pipe length alters the sound (as well as HP). Now what I dont know is - does this alteration in sound take place across a range say from 'Socially Irresponsible' to 'Completely Lunatic' or over a more reasonable range such as'Pleasantly Rumbly and Fun' to 'Destroyer of Car Alarms'. Anyone know? I DONT want to be too over-the-top loud and scare the wildlife and attract the po-lice, but I do want a bit more thunder-rumble than I currently have with the stock pipe. MikeJ thanks for the Wileyco feedback - that is a can I am seriously considering. It looks neat and well made.I get the impression from your comments that it is not too obnoxiously loud to the point of being painful - would that be right? | ||
| Pammy |
Thanks Mike, I was wondering about that small inlet as well....the flush mount setup concerns me as well as it doesn't look straight(the flange) The back of the pipe is flat but the flange is somewhat convex...I think it is a flaw. How was yours? JLJ...I have some dyno charts from Neil S. on the White Bros....would you like to see those? Pammy | ||
| Jocklandjohn |
Pammy - yes thanks that would be really useful and interesting. I am very concerned about the noise though! As one of only two Buells in a radius of 150 miles, and living in a small town in rural Scotland it is not too hard for the police to identify who the noisemeister is and give them (ie me!) a hard time! I dont want the stock asthmatic whuffle, but neither do I want to scare all the sheep and have the local farmers trying to shoot me because all their ewes have aborted with fright at the noise of a Buell race can! Gawd the responsibility living in the country confers upon one!!! | ||
| Mikej |
As far as the sound of the WileyCo, all I can say is you need to ask someone standing and listening as one goes by. Sound to the rider is not the same as sound to bystanders. My opinion is that it's livable, but can get rowdy if you want it to. Similar to glasspacks in a big block v8 chevy from the 60's. Not too bad until you crank open the throttle. Still not as loud as others though. I'd say the V&H and Boss cans are louder. And my bike is no where near as loud as many/most of the Hog's around here. | ||
| H_Man |
"As for the initial run.....TALK about the db difference from the stock pipe. I now will ride with good ear plugs all the time. Should have been for a few years now too. On my way to work I had a local sheriff on his scoot right beside me. Not even a flinch from him on the noise side. That be a good sign. "In the city: It will be obnoxious! Just what the doctor was prescribing. Now maybe I wont have a car in my lap. On the open road: Purrs like a kitten, a real big one at that!" Loki, are ya still out there or have you packed up already for your trek to the land of milk, honey and motor cars? The above are your words from back in January. I guess I overlooked them or something. So tell me, from what you hear from your own bike; from other bikes with BOSS pipes and the reactions of others (and feel free to chime in Seeeu911), is the BOSS a pipe along the lines of 'Socially Irresponsible' to 'Completely Lunatic'. Or a more reasonable 'Pleasantly Rumbly and Fun' to Destroyer of Car Alarms'? Is it much louder than the White Bros. or WileyCo pipes? H-man | ||
| 99buellx1 |
I have a 1999 X1 with a Vance & Hines SS2R pipe. The other day i went around a curve and heard a scraping sound. This had never happened before so I stopped and looked, and the rear aluminum support bracket, that is welded to the canister, broke. I called V&H and they are sending me a new pipe even though it is out of warranty. The lady that i talked to said that they have had numerous problems with this. So, if that is the case, I would like to suggest to everyone that has the V&H to check their rear mounts often. And maybee carry some wire with you to hold up the pipe just in case it breaks on you too. (at least you can get home then) Ride Safe. Red | ||
| Simond |
John, I am running the White Bros pipe on an X1 in the UK. I was concerned about noise because I run it into the centre of London everyday. The only way you will reduce the noise significantly is to run with the minimum recomended number of disks (four) - this absolutely kills power though - it wouldn't pull through a flat spot at about 5-5.5k. I am using eight discs around town but all twelve on longer trips. Eight discs give very good low end and midrange but I would say that top end is probably not as good as stock. This setup is still very loud. I think that the position of the pipe on a Buell and the fact that you have effectively a 360 degree outlet make these cans seem louder to the rider than to bystanders. The bike runs very well with all twelve discs apart from a little "fluffyness" just off idle - a real pain for the daily commute. With this setup my wife reckons she can hear me coming a couple of minutes before I get home! So....not really that tunable for noise but a relatively inexpensive pipe that gives good power with the best rear mount I have seen. All this proves to me is just how good the stock exhaust is - shame it is made of mild steel and won't last a UK winter without turning that attactive shade of rust. Cheers Simon PS: I would love to see a pipe that had a bit more character (ie. not restricted by noise regs) than the stock item but didn't deafen me at the same time. There doesn't seem to be much of a market for this though! | ||
| Jocklandjohn |
Simon - thanks for the input. The White Bros sounds like a good pipe. I was aware that the rear mounts were pretty good, and a few folks on this board seem happy with them. I dont mind a good 'blap' off a pipe, but the descriptions of their pipe's noise from some contributors here make me wince with pain! I cant see that kind of noise being ignored around this neck of the woods. Aye stainless steel is the way to go in this part of the world. We are still getting winter up here - hailstones and snow showers last weekend so the roads are still being salted. Kiss of death for bikes. Ride safe. JOHN | ||
| Jerome |
Tims : I have fitted to my European Cyclone a 2.5" header in replacement of the stock 2", all other things being equal and the muffler being a SuperTrapp IDS. Result : significant increase in top end power but huge reduction in low end. I got the low end back only by fitting later on the 2.5" race header, resulting in the best from both worlds... So yes, the race header stands out, together - it is often said on this forum - with the Kooks, the Force, and the Westek available from ASB. ChrisX1 : the part number of my race header (the one for the X1 with the thread for the O2 sensor) is 65400-99Y. If you look in the archive of this forum topic, you'll find the info about dealers who had one in stock a few months ago... The front mount is provided in principle with the race header : it is a plate bolted on the front bushing and fitted to the header with a clamp. The rear mount is still the SuperTrapp. Yes, the Trapp stands more centered than the race can, as it is longer. I don't have a picture of my setup but I enclose here one provided by another Buellistic friend on this forum :  JLJ : a friend of mine as the Wileyco on his Cyclone and I have the Trapp. I can say that the Trapp with 15 disks is quite louder than the Wileyco, but with only 11 disks the former is quieter and make town rides at night not problematic at all. But it kills quite significantly the power through the entire range compared with 15 disks. No perfect world, hmmm ?! But at least with the Trapp or the White Brothers, you'll be able to tune the sound, and it's a luxury that you'll be pleased to play with. | ||
| Chrisx1 |
Jerome: Thanks, looks like a clean set-up. Simond: I've noticed the "Fluff" off idle now that I've got the race ECM, wasn't there with the stock ECM ('course neither was the mid range yank either) I'm currently running the 15 disks with the Trapp too. Mayby I'll drop 2 or 3 off and try it. | ||
| Peter |
Jerome, Have you put your bike on a dyno at all? I'd really like to see how it runs like that with the M2 cams. Are you going to Croix in May? PPiA | ||
| Jocklandjohn |
Jerome - thanks for the comments. This may be a silly question - but I am learning here so any feedback will be humbly welcomed........... Assuming one has the carb set up properly, correct jetting etc. and the plugs look 'normal', when one changes the number of discs in the 'tunable' pipes such as Supertrapp or White Bros do you have to bother messing with the carb/jetting again? Does changing the disc number make the engine run lean or rich? Or not? Or is all that is happening is the noise and hp changes, with variations in the engine's responsiveness at varying rpm's. ie losing top end whilst gaining bottom punch, or increasing mid-range oomph whilst losing somewhat at bottom end (variations being expected on different bikes with varying states of tuning/altitude etc). In short can I run with more discs and be noisy if I want, then take some discs off and be quieter, without having to worry about the engine running leaner or richer??? | ||
| Jerome |
Peter : not yet but it's in my future plans to have numbers associated with my bike setup. At this point, I can only give seat of the pant feelings, which say that my Buell never got as much power at all rpm with any other combination than the free flowing aircleaner (with big area for max flow), the Mikuni slide carb, the race header and the Trapp with 15 disks, and lastly the proper carb tuning (thanks to my a/f gauge). I guess that the torque curve is now pretty flat and high ! And this is what counts to me on the curvy roads of the french Alps, more than an impressive number on a dyno in a dealer store... :-) I can't go to Croix in May, too busy month on the work side... But we'll certainly meet on an european racetrack one day ! | ||
| Jerome |
Jocklandjohn : I could check that with my a/f gauge when I had the standard CV carb and played with the number of disks in my Trapp. Moving from 11 to 15 disks, the mixture became leaner but not dramatically. The easiest time to check that is at wide open throttle, where only the main jet counts and the a/f reading is very stable. From 11 to 15 disks, the a/f reading dropped by only one diod and I was already in the medium rich reading so it was safe and I had no need for re-jetting. Of course, if you're already around stoechiometric or slightly lean a/f ratios with 11 disks and you add several disks, you may reach dangerously lean conditions. In short, if you remove some disks your bike will become very slightly richer and it's not enough to make you re-jet. If you add disks, it'll become very slightly leaner and you'll need to re-jet only if you're already "on the edge" between rich and lean. Which is anyway not desirable and require already re-jetting of your current setup... | ||
| Y2k01x1 |
does anyone have more pics of the bub bad dogs 2-into-2 system on a buell. have seen pics of the right side, but none of the left side. does the left side pipe interfere with the primary chain adjuster or drain plug? any problems with heat on the right foot? looks like the exhaust from the right pipe exits real close to the right side footpeg and brake lever. hard to tell from the pics i've seen. my v&h ss2r was a *@#$%! to get on and i'm not looking forward to having to remove it to adjust my primary chain or drain the primary fluid. are there any mufflers available that don't block access to the primary chain adjuster or drain plug? thanx! | ||
| Jocklandjohn |
Thank you Jerome. | ||
| Richy |
On my 2000 X1 I am running the supertrapp, stock header, race ecm and K&N in the stock air box. Currently I have the trapp tuned to 10 discs (trying to keep the noise factor down). When I let off the throttle (idle) while riding the trapp seems emit a popping gurgling type sound. Is this because it is more free flowing than stock? Thx, Richy | ||
| Drandall |
Folks, I have a '00 X1 with a race ECM, stock header, and Supertrapp IDS muffler. I started out with 15 disks, tried 14, then 16, then back to 15. The bike runs noticibly better with 15 disks. Is my bike just weird? Thanks, Dave | ||
| Chrisx1 |
Lots of Trapps, sounds like I'm in good company Richy: did you take out the snorkel? I did, used a nice black tie-wrap holder and black tie wrap (so's it's pretty) to hold the AIT sensor, and bought the ventury ring for $.95 since I already had the K&N air filter. Whole lot cheaper than the Kit from Buell. I get the gurgling too, probably the freer flow, ever hear an HD w/ open pipes? same sound except much louder w/ open pipes. >> Anyone got an idea of the list price for the Race header from Buell? p/n:65400-99YA ?? << |
