| Author | Message | ||
     Vr1203 |
Thanks, Renter But what will happen if I use the S2 shock? Will the bike sit lower because of the added length(3/32" )? Will it be more stiff? Would the stiffer spring raise it? | ||
| Renter |
I am no suspension expert but seems logical that the S2 shock will not allow you to get the maximum out of the S1 when installed. If rear becomes to low and if no compensation is possible you might need to lower the front end too to maintain proper steering characteristics. I have no information what the exact difference is in damping character of the two shocks. S2 was heavier at the back with possibility for two up and luggage. The shock is intended for that purpose so on a light back S1 the shock might be too hard making back end too nervous with limited possibility to compensate damping. Don't know your weight but if you're over 100 kg you might get away with it. If you are average 70 kg you might experience some trouble. Since you have the shock, just try it and feel if you are comfortable riding it. That's all that matters really. Rgds, Renter | ||
| Vr1203 |
I've read the Buell workshop manual, I can adjust spring preload . It would shorten the static length and raise the height of the bike. I have at least 1/2 inch of adjustment on the studs.The damping adjustments should be flexable enough. | ||
| Vr1203 |
Just figured out the shock would not shorten up by compressing the spring! But it might still raise the bike when installed. Goofy backward working things these are! | ||
| Henrik |
Jim, keep in mind here, that while final ride height is indeed dependent on spring rate and preload, if you want your shock set up to work it's best you still need to dial in preload to match you weight etc. you can "cheat" and dial up the preload to try to compensate for a longer shock = lower rear ride height. But you may end up with a harsh ride with no top-out capacity if you do that. And no matter what you do, you'll end up with lower ride height than you like would have with a stock length shock. Henrik | ||
| Vr1203 |
OK, These are my issues, I don't like the looks of the "covered spring" recall replacements. My original shock has the inferior welded eye. The other one seems to be made much better. I have a turbo that is under the bike , I cannot afford any lowering. I'm not road racing just going fast and scaring myself(but I don't need no weave)! | ||
| Davefl |
Ok. I couldn't find a better place for this but if there is Admin by all means put it there. While riding last Saturday I noticed an increase in vibration at certain revs. After checking the bike out I found this.  So now it is time to replace the front isolator. I looked in the manual for info, but the only thing I found on the front mount was in how to remove cylinder head section. So I think about it a few minutes and out came the ratchet straps. I removed the Gas tank and the breather and wrap the strap under the engine and over the frame.   after that is was a simple task of removing the old isolator and installing the new one, proper torque applied of course.  | ||
| Henrik |
Jim; I understand your position on the covered spring. Not my favorite either. However, that shock was recalled, not because of the shock eye, but because the "main rod" in the shock could fracture. It does so without giving you any other warning than *possibly* a bit of oil weeping. You know the phrase they use - something like: "shock could break which in turn *could* cause handling problems," or something to that extent. I wouldn't! Please be careful. Henrik | ||
| Bomber |
DaveFL Thanks a million for the strapping tip! I'm getting ready to co the same proceedure on my long-suffering MaDeuece, and you've saved me a bunch of head scratching! | ||
| Davefl |
Yea that strap worked great. I should have taken a pic of the underside where the strap went through. I routed it behind the exhaust and shock mounts. | ||
| Vr1203 |
Henrik, Read this:http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/bulletins/ShockEyeRecall94-98.pdf  | ||
| Cu_chulann |
Has anybody got any tips on changing fork oil.01 model year X1.Have got workshop manual,but it says to dismantle forks completely to change oil.Surely it is not necessary to go to such trouble just to change oil.Grateful for any real world advice. | ||
| Henrik |
Jim, I know that recall note. However the shaft breakage info is from Max at Traxxion. When I got my S2 I didn't want to loose the exposed spring, so I called Traxxion for a rebuild/revalve/spring job. Max was fairly convincing that it was *not* a good idea because of the shaft. Basically, when the shaft starts fracturing, the sharp edges may!! start wearing the seal down enough for a bit of weeping to appear on the shaft. Shortly thereafter the shaft breaks. No real warning. I wouldn't. Henrik | ||
| Hootowl |
Cu_chulann I just had mine done. I wanted to do it myself, but every dealer I called said the same thing. I also know people who have tried to do it, and they ended up taking them to the dealer. I don't know how much just an oil change will run you, as I had new springs and seals put in mine. I don't know man, as critical as the forks are, I guess I just leave it to the pros. jeff | ||
| Cu_chulann |
Jeff. Thanks for response. Why did you change springs,were they damaged or do you find they pogo [rapid bounce] when braking hard.This happens on my X1.01 model.Did you have heavier springs fitted.If so let me know if there is an improvement. Rich. | ||
| Hootowl |
They were just worn out. They had 50K miles on them. I should have put stock springs back in, but I had the racing springs (got a good deal on them)and they're not that much stiffer than stock, .05 kilograms I believe. I was a little worried about it being too stiff, but it seems to be OK. | ||
| Bartimus |
My recall shock has started leaking. the bike, a '98 S1W has 9500 miles on it and I'm sure it's been over a year since the recalls have been done. According to the above "goodwill" policy, The shock will be replaced for $100? Does that include labor? The shop down here is NOT Buell friendly. I've been trucking my Buell(s) over 400 miles when I need anything major done to them. Such as the Nallin kit in the S2. Also: Has anyone put a late model X1 or S3 front end on an S1? will it work. Is there any improvement in suspension adjustments and handling? edited by bartimus on January 31, 2004 | ||
| Doughnut |
Stupid question from the newbie: How can I tell what rear shock I have one my 96 S2. I hear there were 3 different types. I don't have the exposed spring type. I want to make sure it is up to date. The dealer I got the bike from, (they are not up on Buells.), simply told me that all recalls were up to date. | ||
| Doncasto |
Doughnut:    There is a more thorough discussion of Buell shocks along with a bunch of other information you might find useful at this website: http://home.att.net/~castodon/DonCastosS2ConventionalWisdom.html Hope this helps. Don Casto | ||
| Doughnut |
I think I have an early. Is the later much better, worth my time, money , effort to switch. Seat height remains the same with both. Another stupid question, (I'm full of them, just you wait), If it is the early, where is the adjuster for the pre-load? Thanks Don, you da man. | ||
| Doncasto |
I would keep an eye out for one on eBay, but be careful - there are plenty of older style Showas there that may be dealer take offs and that should have been thrown away. Here is the Service Bulletin for the older shock: http://home.att.net/~castodon/EarlyShowa.pdf The Service Bulletin will explain what how to set the preload on the your shock if it is the older Showa. Don edited by doncasto on February 04, 2004 | ||
| Hootowl |
Does anyone know why the 1999 S3 and M2 shocks were recalled and the 1999 X1 wasn't? I've had two shocks leak all their fluid out. | ||
| Anonymous |
The 1999 S3 shock was never recalled. The 0820 recall was for 1999 M2s and 2000 X1, S3, M2 models. Blake, I would suggest the text at the top of this page under the heading "Shock recall/warranty policy (1994-2000 Model year Buell twins)" be removed as it is dated information that may or may not apply any longer. | ||
| 1320 |
Hey Rippen...here are a couple of pics with the XB wheels fitted. Her name is "Special" as in special blend of parts...Donn, the spacers are on the way...   | ||
| Seeeu911 |
And Special she is Joe...You are the Man ! | ||
| Doughnut |
Greetings all, I am looking at changing the preload on my S2 with the early Showa rear. I want the bike to lower about 3/4 of an inch when I sit on it. I am about 150 ish and the bike does not sit at all with me on it. would this throw off the handling? All ideas welcome. | ||
| M1combat |
Well, yes it probably will. Theoretically you want 10mm of static sag and between 25-35mm of rider sag. 25mm for track use and 35 for street use. This is at both ends. Static sag is the distance the bike sags when placed on the tires (from being lifted). Rider sag is the distance the bike sags with rider installed (from being lifted). It will require at least a couple friends to set it up properly. Check Marcus McBain's website. He has a link to a very well written article/class on this subject (I think he wrote it). | ||
| Doughnut |
M1combat, do you know the websites addy? | ||
| Bartimus |
Does anyone know what weight oil is in the later recall shocks? And what the quantity is? Or where I can acquire this information? | ||
| Henrik |
Bartimus; I'm not sure if those Showa's are rebuildable?? Henrik |
