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Doerman
Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I picked up Syn 3 for my XB the other day and he asked me a as I was concluding paying for it if I switched back and forth.

I said I used to use the Mineral oil but I switched to Syn 3 a few oil changes ago.

He said to stay with the Syn 3 from now on because switching back and forth could cause the oiling system to develop leaks.


Not that it matters to me because I'll stay with Syn 3 but, does that make sense to you guys?

Asbjorn

(Message edited by doerman on October 25, 2007)
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Xldevil
Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The dealer's opinion is total bs,IMHO.
Which of the ingredients or interacting of remaining residues of either the Syn or the mineral based oil should cause any leaks?On which gaskets?
Ralph
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you use Kerosene between oil changes to flush the residue of oil out, you can indeed develop leaks. DON'T. That's been obsolete for a few decades.

Your dealer is spouting old wives tales. old. Current synthetic & dino oil's are compatible. ( you lose the advantage of the synthetic, though. The oil will then coke up in the heads ) Back when it was only Amsoil for synthetics, there may have been compatibility issues, but nothing that ancient will have the rating to run in a Buell. ( SD? I forget )
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Bigdaddy
Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 06:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hyperbole and Ralph's right.

Now you know at least one person at that dealership that you needn't bother with any questions -- a good thing!
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Doerman
Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought it was weird myself and didn't hang together at all. The service counter guy is otherwise quite Buell knowledgeable though and has helped me in the past.
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Matty
Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is he new-ish?
HD issues tests to parts department employees to keep them informed and up to date. Maybe he hasn't read his materials? Either way, what he's telling you is exactly opposite of what the training materials inform.
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Doerman
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 09:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Chris,
Yes he is. He came to Glendale within the last year or so from Minneapolis MN (I believe).
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Matty
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Glendale?!? That's where I worked! Geez, now I'm embarassed... I'll talk to the GM and get these guys back up to snuff.
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Doerman
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey now!
Don't be too hard on Glendale! I like 'em
Seriously, a slip up like that is far outweighed by the day out and day in excellence in service they perform.
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Matty
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Jlnance
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It used to be the case, way back in the last century, that you could not mix mineral and synthetic oils. I don't know what would happen if you did, but it was bad. Word got out, and that is probably the basis for what you were told.

Oil companies realized pretty quickly that it was bad for the oils not to be mixable, so they changed the makeup of the synthetic oil so that it could be mixed with dino oil. I think this happened at least 20 years ago. But by then it was already "known" that you couldn't mix the oils, and that knowledge was passed around as lore. Once that happens, it takes on a life of it's own, and doesn't necessarily die when it becomes irrelevant or untrue.
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Iamike
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

He's from Minneapolis. That explains it all.
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