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Kinger
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 06:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As I am getting more familiar with my bike, I want to make sure I have the suspension set up correctly. What is the definition of full out and full in?

I have an 2000 S3T, any have any advice of what are some good settings for both touring and slightly aggressive riding? I would like to set up the suspension and not have to adjust between local rides and weekend trips.

Also, how can I visually verify that I have the replacement shock on my bike? While the bike was in the dealership last summer, I had them check on recalls. They said all were done. While talking to Buell CS over the winter, the rep. told me that the shock recall was not completed on my bike, according to there records. He said it may have been done but not registered.

Lastly, how can I verify that the proper isolators are installed? I assume this is something I can visually see with the bike on a stand and the rear wheel off the ground.

Thanks for any info, the search utility is not working, otherwise I would have started there.

-Aaron
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Fire604
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 04:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I want to do both fork and rear springs. I would estimate my skill level at maybe a 3. Hoser, I would guess from the sound of your reply I better let a shop do it.

- Jeff
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Loki
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 09:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh great shock masters....

Were the WP shocks the same on the S2 and S1?

Thank You, oh great and mighty teachers of Buell
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Buelliedan
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jeff,
Only a highly specialized shop can rebuild the rear Showa shock on a Buell tuber frame.
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Steveshakeshaft
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone know which Jap bikes shared the same forks as a '97 M2 please? Thanks.

Steve
steve_s@ukbeg.com
www.ukbeg.com/
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Buelliedan
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve,
I don't think any Japanese bikes used the WP forks.
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Steveshakeshaft
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buellidan, '97 M2 has Showa forks. Not the Upside downies of the S1.

Regards

Steve
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Blake
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fire604,
Back up a minute. Why do you believe that variable rate springs will benefit your suspension? Suggest you consider revalving of damping circuits instead. Have you tried adjusting your damping settings?
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Buelliedan
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve,
Correct you are. My mistake. I am just so used to all my bikes having upside down forks that I completely forgot about the M2s running conventionals. Sorry.
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Court
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dan:

I thought you were right. But...then I remembered I was standing on my head.

Good eyes Steve!

Anyone care to see if they can catch the "glitch" in the 1997 M-2 Cyclone brochure photo?
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 12:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Front brake line.
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Steveshakeshaft
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 04:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry Blake, are you saying no Jap bikes had similar Showa forks to a '97 M2. Not even the sliders? I got an idea......

(Message edited by steveshakeshaft on May 10, 2003)
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Henrik
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve: It' s not unlikely, that someone made forks or sliders that will fit the M2. I guess you'll have to start looking for similar fork tube diameter and go from there.

Example: on the SV650 you can fit Honda F3 tubes and internals and get a cartridge fork (you retain the SV sliders, wheel, brakes etc.). Using an SV front brake rotor bolt to hold the internals make it a perfect fit. How anyone ever found out - I don't know :)

Henrik
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve,
No, I don't know if another bike uses the Cyclone forks. I was answering Court's question. :)
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Court
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Front brake line.

Negative there Rapid Racer. The "Photo Bike" actually got equipped, before complete development was done, with a part from (oooops) another bike that was never intended to end up on the M-2 Cyclone.

The entire production run, only one eagle eyes owner caught the glitch, called me and demanded he receive what we advertised and what he paid for.

I commended him for his attention to detail and sent the part more as good will than acquiescence...never know when you'll need an eye like that.

:)
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Steveshakeshaft
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks. I guess nobody has worked it out yet. I'll post here when I find out then! Thanks for the help as usual guys.

Steve
steve_s@ukbeg.com
www.ukbeg.com
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X1rated
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

IF I'm not mistaken... Suzuki Bandit? Same forks as an M2.
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Steveshakeshaft
Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

X1rated, sounds good I'll take a look at those. Thanks.

Steve
steve_s@ukbeg.com
www.ukbeg.com
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Dougp
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anybody have any experience (or possibly know of someone that does) with JMC swingarms?
Looks like it's on par with Metmachex as far as quality and price.
Just looking for a little reassurance before I order.
Thanks........
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Josh_
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If anyone is following along at home, I still haven't received my forks back from RaceTech.
They haven't even finished them yet and (as far as I can tell) would not have bothered with them had I not called back yesterday and today and made a nuisance of myself.
Originally shipped Mar 24, paid ($456) Apr 7.

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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Josh,
Tell them you were planning on using the bike in a National event (BattleTrax) and you need them completed ASAP. Ask if they can throw in a couple of stickers also. Can't hurt, and just might motivate them a little to push your order up in the cue some.
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Bomber
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 01:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Josh

good, data, thanks sir . .. . you may wish to mention your disatisfaction, and the effect it's having on your communications with other . . . .something like, "it's odd, but other on a number of boards I post on have expressed surprise at the time it's taken me to get my forks back .. . lots of folks have had different experiences . .. .may I ask what the difficutly might be?"

I had the oposite experience with Traxxion, for anyone who's looking to upgrade their forks .. .
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Josh_
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I email Traxxion about availability of .85 springs (I asked RaceTech when I shipped them in March to install .85 springs. It wasn't until Apr 30 that they noticed they didn't have .85 springs in stock) Anyway, the OWNER of Traxxion emailed me back in <1hr saying they had them and could ship at a moments notice.

Oh, and "customer service" at RaceTech is rude, arrogant, has no concept of "service" and doesn't returns calls.
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Josh_
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>it's odd, but other on a number of boards I post on have expressed surprise at the time it's taken me to get my forks back ..

Well, cause that would be lying, see now that I've been doing research (little late, I know) it seems that while many recommend RaceTech *parts* I see nothing but horror stories about service at their shop.

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Bomber
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ah . . . . .. . sorry sir . . . .. . mebbe you could just get your dough amd forks back and send em elsewhere?

or you could get a punching bag
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've had great experience with Race Tech. Both in sales and in customer service. I bought a Gold Valve kit on ebay that didn't have the shim kit I needed. Race kit figured out what I needed and called me back and I had the new shim kit in less than a week. Of course that was during the off season. They are probably swamped this time of year. No excuse for such poor service though. Have they actually charged your credit card?

If they haven't done the work, I'd be inclined to tell them to send your forks to Traxxion and cancel your order. That will light a fire under their butt to be sure.
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Josh_
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They charged me on Apr7. I'd say (like many people) you had great experience with their parts dept. I keep reading horror stories of forks not being reassembled correctly, parts being left out etc etc.
Guess I didn't do my research on this one. On a better note my header came back from HJC and looks great. HJC also had great communication (my JetHot experience wasn't as bad as RaceTech but I won't be doing business with them again).
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Smadd
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Max at Traxxion is a good guy. He was swamped at Daytona... sorting out the many racer's problems... but he managed to tune my forks (valves, springs, etc.)in between the race work. Knows his stuff and works hard. He also said if at any time the spring rate doesn't seem right, he'd replace them at no charge! Now this was a couple of years ago... don't know if the offer still goes. Anyway... I had a good experience with them, and thought I'd send out a plug.

Steve
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Josh_
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well I emailed a synopsis of my 8-week turnaround to Paul Thede. Let's see if he cares.
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Henrik
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Josh; I'm sorry about your trouble with Race Tech. I was a bit put off by my first phone contact with them - years ago. I've been doing all my suspension mods through Traxxion Dynamics. Absolutely outstanding - above and beyond - service and care for their customers. Well, I guess I can only speak for myself and some friends that have dealt with them :)

But at some point I had a couple of "situations" that Max resolved beyond what I could unreasonably have hoped for.

Henrik
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