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Kevinfromwebb
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is there some kind of trick I"m missing to changing the rear brake pads??? I'm trying to replace with the lrb pads and there doesn't seem to be enough distance betweent the inside pad and the mounting hardware??? There is plenty of room between the pads but the bracket is in the way... Is there something I"m missing???

Kevin
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Kevinfromwebb
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Upon looking again at the manual, it doesn't mention it but do you have to remove the caliper carrier??? The distance between the new inner pad and the carrier is what is keeping me from dropping the brake back on the disc...

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Rsh
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No you do not need to remove the carrier, you just need to make sure that the bushings the mounting hardware goes through are completely retracted. When I first switched to the LRB's I thought they would not fit and after regaining my composure I think they took only 10 minutes to install.
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Kevinfromwebb
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Rsh... I knew something was screwy bit didn't know what... (Besides me) : )
That was what it was, makes you feel a bit stupid, duh...
After you get your blood up a bit you just have to walk away for a minute. At least I do... Thanks again. I think I'll wait for a couple of days to change the fronts...I don't think I want to seat both brakes in at the same time, and it's raining today.;)

Blake, sorry for posting this here.(Instead of the knowledge vault) It's a nice rainy day off and I didn't want to wait too long, it gets busy during the week...

Kevin
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Rhun
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

let us know how they work. The stock brakes on my City and 12R are really drags not brakes, if going over 5MPH I think my boot has more stopping power. My riding style doesn't require me to use the rear brake but it would be nice to do side ways slides, like on my dirt bike.
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Phantom5oh
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I must be missing something, because I hear complaints about the rear brake from quite a few people.

Mine which is still stock, slows me down, stops me or even locks up if I want it to. What are you looking for?

I use my rear brake in conjunction with the front almost every time I stop.

(Message edited by Phantom5oh on September 07, 2006)
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M1combat
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Try using the front... Modulate it as you're entering a turn so that the rear is just barely skimming the ground... In this situation the rear has PLENTY of power. Other bikes have too much IMO : ).
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Cruisin
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is one of those things that Buell did right from the factory. That rear brake is meant to be light, so that it can be used in a corner. Helps scrub off some speed if needed without changing the steering of the bike.

Too much rear brake and it will lock up too easily or mess up with your line in a corner.
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Sakuc
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 09:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sucks for wheelies tho.
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Eshardball
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I Have tried everything that i can think of and my back brake still sucks.Replaced the rear caliper. Tried pressure filling the system from the caliper, bled, bled bled. Brake is almost non existent still I stand on it, then it locks.
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Rocketman
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I hate to tell you this HB but if you have a 98 S1 it sounds like your brake is working exactly as Buell intend it to.

No joke. The thinking behind it was to aid steering and prevent lock up / skid, as rear brake (depending on who you talk to) is used much less in feel and application than a front brake on a motorcycle.

Rocket
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Ara
Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What Rocket says is essentially true, but you can greatly improve the effectiveness of your current setup by replacing the stock brake line with an aftermarket stainless steel brake line. It took several tries on my S3, but Adrian at Goodridge made me a PERFECT brake line for my '97 S3 that made all the difference.
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Eshardball
Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ara,Thanks for the suggestion. I have stainless lines on my Road King but they were on it when I bought it. Don't have any experiences to compare the two lines.
Rocketman, I guess your therory is possible but it seems illogical to have a sport bike with marginal brakes on one end.
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Mikej
Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Illogical or not, there was or is at least one or two people who sell rear brake upgrade kits. Search the knowledge vault and you should be able to find links. I believe American Sport Bike is one of the sources for stronger rear brakes for the Buells.
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Rocketman
Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well I might have just read it somewhere like in Battle2Win or did I see it a few years back on Buells website where Erik went through a few items on the S1's. One of those items - was it the rear brake where he explains the theory behind its intended use and application?

Wherever I picked it up from I'm in complete agreement. I seldom use the rear brake, but when I use it from a riding at pace perspective (read - kicking its head in in the twisties) I find it works to get you out of trouble when you go into a corner too hot because it isn't that sensitive to over application. You can't actually steer the rear end with it, but you can have some needed control of the front with it when you ask for it. That I believe was always its intention.

I also loved the feel of the original S1 front brake, but Buell bent to the complaints of those stating they found it way too sharp. Obviously the brake worked absolutely perfect and gave the greatest feel of a front brake never bettered by any other production bike yet. Sometimes what the buying public want isn't always the best.

That 'soft' rear brake is just perfect, but then that's just me, and not many others it seems.

Rocket
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"As with most single-bike accidents, the rider entered the corner at a speed his brain told him was too fast, stood the bike up and nailed the rear brake. Goodbye."

From ("The Pace" a good read) thread in the quick board.

It takes a good hard push to lock my rear brake if using it alone. Since a Buell will happily lift the rear wheel on dry pavement, ( SIX freeking pistons! ) my little toe will lock the rear wheel during hard braking. I admit, It took me a while to figure that out.
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Henrik
Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That 'soft' rear brake is just perfect

I agree - and for the same reason.

Henrik
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Jayvee
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

At first I thought it was too weak, but now that I'm used to it, I don't even notice it any more. Well, I use it I mean, but I no longer perceive it as too weak.

I did get the stainless rear line though.
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