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Blake
Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It is a strange concept that one fork handles compression damping while the other handles rebound. The typical first reaction to learning about that configuration is to imagine the front end getting all out of shape when exercised aggressively. Seems almost miraculous that it doesn't. :)

Steve, if you don't mind sacrificing some wheely-ability for improved turn-in and steering action, you might experiment with raising the forks 1/4" or so. :)
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Smadd
Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I might give that a try, Blake. I read both pros and cons on that subject. Guess I've got to see for myself. As far as wheely-ability goes, I'd like these new bearings to last a little longer anyway.
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Al_Lighton
Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

But didn't all 98s have WP forks, not Showas, and weren't all Showas equiped with both rebound and compression on both sides? Just a typo, Steve?

Al
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Buellahland
Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just last night I noticed a tear on a rear isolator of my 1998 S3. It has 8K miles on it. I've ordered the replacement isolator kit already (part# Z0010.CB), but, I'm curious, should I plan to do a routine replacement of other parts since I have to take the swingarm off my S3 anyway?
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buellahland,
You might check/lube/replace swingarm bearings as applicable. Did you check to see if your dealer/BCC (Buell Customer Care) would cover the failure under a goodwill upgrade? I think they just might. :)
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Buellahland
Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake, I just got back from Downtown Harley-Davidson/Buell ( www.downtownharley.com ). I showed the service fellow the official "Service Bulletin" and he said he would do the rear isolator job for free.

So, that's good. Thanks for the advice.

I'll have them look at the swingarm bearings also.
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Cyclone1
Posted on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have an 2002 M2L..wanna get rid of the "L" part..6'1 so I don't really need it. I keep scraping pegs around corners ;) want more clearance for faster corners :D. Now someone told me all you had to do is change the front shock mount from a regular M2 looked at the parts books, and its actually a complete different shock from the M2. I'm pretty sure the X1's and S3's have a better shock. Anyone have any suggestions besides buying a new shock? I'm thinking about trying a Penske out when money allows...but motor work must come first :D:P

thanks for any insight :)
Frank
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Cyclone1
Posted on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also what about the front end? Anyone have any tricks?

Frank
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Dougd
Posted on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 06:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

just had the fork stopon one side fall off 12 bucks to replace it any one else had this problem
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Bomber
Posted on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the little rubber thingie that's glued to the fram spar? yep . . . . . .found it on the garage floor! (I'm really lucky, yes?)

12 seems a bit much, somehow .. . . . thought about carving something out of some alternate material (thick weatherstriping or the like?)
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Totway
Posted on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My stops fell off right away! I made some out of aluminum with a little rubber silicone to pad them. Works great!
Tim
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Shotgun
Posted on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cyclone1: it might be a whole lot easier to just install the Banke peg relocators or their rearset kit depending on how much more clearance you think you need. I grind my pegs on my M2L at times, but I kinda like it.
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Ara
Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 03:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My stops fell off early, too. I stuck them back on with some silicone glue and a couple turns of electrical tape. I understand from a Battle 2Win a long time ago that there's a Sporty part that would work, too.
Russ
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Djkaplan
Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One of the stops fell off my M2 less than a year after I got the bike. I noticed the other one was about to fall off too.

I got the replacement stops from the dealer but I don't remember paying $12 for it. You only need one kit to replace both stops. Maybe you were quoted a price for two kits?

The replacement kit comes with it's own superglue. I applied them a year and a half ago and they seem to be holding tight - much better than the ones installed at the factory.

You know; everything that's been glued to this bike has vibrated off. The front reflectors, the rear reflector and the bump stops have all vibrated off of my bike!
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Vwolf
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

people!
I need a new shock fer my 2000M2 the replacement from the last recall finally died..any comments? Blake??hehehe
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Your shock "finally died"? Please elaborate.
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Toddm2l
Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has anyone put inverted forks on the m2? Have seen a few people talk about it, but no real answer. Is it possible? How does it work?
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X1glider
Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I need to replace the front shock bolt with a longer one so I can add a bracket for a belly pan. Is there a quick and easy way to do this? I'm guessing if I simply pull the bolt out, everything will collapse on me.
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Leeaw
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

X1glider,

If I remember correctly, I had to pull the bolt when I put a chin fairing on my M2. Just support the front with a scissor jack and you will be fine.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WARNING!!!

Supporting only the front while unbolting the rear suspension will yield catastrophic results.

Use jack-stands under the rear pegs to support the rear of the chassis while unbolting the rear shock. The swingarm can then pivot down allowing the rear tire to come to rest on the ground while you organize to get the shock repinned.
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X1glider
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What rear pegs? They're gone. No riding 2 up on the track. I'll line up some jackstands under the rearset pegs and see how it looks. Once up, I can pull the bolt out without everything collapsing? How about this idea? Blake, come on down and help me out. I think you need a long ride anyway. Alas, my full race kit came in at lunch!!! Looks like I'll have a busy weekend ahead of me.
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Totway
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anybody know what size wrenches are needed to adjust the current Showa shock? I plan on cutting some out of aluminum stock.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm thinking the CG will be in front of your rearsets. You will be able to tell easy enough. When you pull the bolt the swingarm will drop until the tire touches down. Shore up underneath the tire so it doesn't drop and installation of the new shock pin will be much easier (clevis will still line up with shock lug).

Race kit arrived?! WOOOOOOHOOOOO!

OHR will be ready for action soon. I told the "Dawg" of ATC fame to get his CMRA membership, so we could have another Bueller to dice with. Not sure he followed through though. He could have taken the school this past Saturday morning at TWS.
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X1glider
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll give it a go.
Lots of prov ams running sprints Sunday. I mean lots! One squid on a duc. I mean, the guy can ride fast and handle himself on his own but in a pack he was putting everyone else at risk, trying to pass on the inside, cutting everyone off in the straights and turns, and touching tires. He was reported but I kept seeing him run throughout the day. Maybe the experts could have put up with it with their experience but the other yellow shirts were scared shitless. That said I might have a large leather squid picture sewn to the back of my leathers. That should give me some breathing room of my own! Lots of carnage throughout the day. The speed is so high there. Gotta watch the entry speeds. Musta been 50 wipeouts. A few took the white taxi outta there.
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V2win
Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Totway,
52mm and 60mm I believe. Those wrenches could be sold here if your so inclined.
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Totway
Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks V2win, I'm just roughing out a combination "wrench" from 1/4" stock. It is not pretty only functional. If I had more time I'd set up a cnc program but I believe our web sponsor has that covered for the same price as what it would cost me to make.
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S1blackie
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone know what the eye to eye length measurement is for the rear tie bar on a 96 s1
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Blake
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

S1blackie,
Not 100% sure what you mean by "tie bar". If you mean the rear shock, the recommended lengths for sag adjustment (preload) are shown at the top of the page. Is that what you meant? Hope so. :)
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S1blackie
Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake,I'm refering to the Tie bar which is connected from the left side of frame below the oilbag to the swing arm mounting block. I found it to be loose after a ride. and the bike handled like some thing was loose or broke I checked the rear isolators and they look fine.The axle bolt is torqed to spec all looked ok except for this.
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Spike
Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone know of a good source for a heavier spring for the rear shock?

Thanks.

Mike L.
'99 Cyclone
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