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Buellistic
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 06:43 am: | 
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http://easypullclutch.com
In BUELLing
LaFayette |
Ragnagwar
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 07:49 am: |
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Jackbequicks description of the "easypull" is right on the money. I just received mine yesterday and it is indeed a nicely machined steel part. Looks like it should install and function just fine. Mine will be installed on my 2000 M2.
"Rags" |
Chevysolid
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 10:13 am: |
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They need to do something with that web page... Black on Black doesn't work very well
I can't even read it. |
Coolernhail
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 08:45 pm: |
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There have been over 3,000 of these easy pull clutch devices sold. Not one problem.There are over 70 Harley dealers distributing them.It will never wear through the primary case, Its in a primary oil bath.This device is a godsend to fix the nightmarish stiff clutches of the Buells.
(Message edited by coolerNhail on November 02, 2005)
(Message edited by coolerNhail on November 02, 2005) |
Koz5150
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 11:09 pm: |
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Well, I didn't know this thread was so active.
Since I was emailed twice today concerning this topic I guess I should update my status with this product.
I took it off my bike for multiple reasons.
1. The longer throw of the arm makes it more difficult and you must adjust the clutch just perfect. If you you have it too loose the clutch will not pull in far enough to shift smoothly. If it is to tight, the clutch will not fully engage causing slipage and premature clutch wear.
2. On both units I bought I had to file a small amount of material away from outer Ramp (Buell part # 25409-94A) so that the unit would fit in the ramp. Had I of just bolted the pieces together I would have either snapped the hook off the Ramp or stripped the screw hole. Without filing it there was no way it was going together.
3. Due to the altered angle of the clutch cable, the cable will rub where it exits the cable sheath in the primary case. I DID install the product correctly according to the instructions.
I will admit the product does make the clutch easier to pull in, but you also have to make sure you squeeze the handle 100% or you will not disengage completely when shifting. The longer throws were definately noticeable when I ran my bike on my last trackday.
I have not traced my electrical problem 100% and but I am fairly certain that the easy pull was NOT the factor. When I solve this problem I will post more info. If an admin would like to edit this out of my original post feel free to do that.
I am guessing that Coolernhail is a retailer of this product. I am sorry I didn't like the product. I also apologize that I didn't get a chance to update this sooner. Finally as far as I know none of the Harley dealers I go to sell or endorse this product (Appleton and Hals) |
Chevysolid
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 11:23 pm: |
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KAZ....HAS.....SPOKEN..... 
I was hoping you'd fill us in on where you were at. I have seen you posting on other threads and figured you'd see this sooner or later.
I didn't win the one on Ebay so I am not looking to install this right away. I was concerned with some of the things you mentioned ie. clutch wear and longer pull.
Ditto, Cooler seems to be the retailer. A lot of people seem to like the product and if i get one for the right price I think I might by one.
Thanks to everyone for their feedback.
ANB |
Koz5150
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 12:20 am: |
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If I still have mine, I will sell it to you (a good price!).. I have to check the garage. |
Opto
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 04:41 am: |
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The lighter Uly clutch spring seems to be working well in the XB12S, no slippage so far, and not expecting any touch wood. |
Henrik
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 09:43 am: |
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Al at American Sport Bike carries a clutch "ease" gadget that replaces the entire ball & ramp assembly. Seems like a nice alternative.
Here Al describes the Muller Power Clutch further.
Just a data point.
Henrik |
Coolernhail
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 09:38 pm: |
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Yes I am the manufacturer. These are the dealers that retail this device.
Boswell H.D. Nashville, Tn. 37210
Buckminn's H.D. Xenia, Oh. 45385
Bumphus H.D. Murfreesboro, Tn. 37129
Chandler H.D. Chandler, Az. 85226
Chi-Town H.D. Tinley, ILL. 60477
Chick's H.D. Albuquerque, N.M. 87113
Colonial H.D. Prince George, Va. 23875
F&S H.D. Dayton, Oh. 45414
Wolverine H.D. Clinton Township, Mi. 48036
Frazier's H.D. Buford, Ga. 30519
Freedom H.D. N. Canton, Oh. 44720
Gene Lummus H.D. Swannanoa, N.C. 28778
H.D. of Miami Miami, Fl. 33169
Hal's H.D. New Berlin, Wi. 53151
H.D. of Annapolis Annapolis, Md. 21401
H.D. of Bellingham Bellingham, Wa. 98225
H.D. of Ocala Ocala, Fl. 34475
House of H.D. Mil, Wi. 53220
Kutter H.D. Janesville, Wi. 53545
Latus Motors H.D. Gladstone, Or. 97027
Mid-Continent H.D. Witchita, KS. 67209
Rider's H.D. Trussville, Al. 35173
Bakersfield H.D. Bakersfield, Ca. 93301
Rocky Mount H.D. Rocky Mount, N.C.
Route 43 H.D. Sheboygan, Wi. 53081
Sandy's H.D. Freemont, Mi. 49412
Sauk Prairie H.D. Sauk City, Wi. 53583
Seminole H.D. Fern Park, Fl. 32730
Simi Valley H.D. Moorpark, Ca. 93021
Smaltz's H.D. Eagle, Pa. 19480
St. Joseph H.D. St. Joseph, Mo. 64503
Sun H.D. Thornton, Co. 80229
Texas H.D. Bedford, Tx. 76021
Tilley H.D. Stasesville, N.C. 28677
Treasure Coast H.D. Stuart, Fl. 34997
Vacaville H.D. Vacaville, Ca. 95687
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Coolernhail
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 09:41 pm: |
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I said over 70 dealers. That is an old list, havent updated yet. |
Chevysolid
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 10:50 pm: |
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Cooler,
could you comment on the issues that Kaz has raised... to clarify any issues (or perceived) issues..
Have you had any similar comments about the product..
Any suggestions on how to best make it work.
Thanks |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 10:58 pm: |
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The clutch on my Buell is "nightmarish"? LOL. That's news to me. Is it a manly clutch? Yes. Is it "nightmarish"? No. |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 10:54 am: |
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Coolernhail:
In your INSTALLATION DIRECTIONS you should include that the purchasers should make sure
that the CLUTCH ADJUSTING SCREW BEARING PN 11752
is "GOOD" and that the SPRING PLATE(TUBE FRAME BUELLs) PN 37977-90 should be removed and replaced with two(2)STEEL PLATEs PN 37913-90 and one(1) FRICTION PLATE PN 37911-90 ...
When either or both are BAD the purchasers think
your produst is "NO GOOD" ...
"i" have been useing a EASY PULL for years now and it works and preforms perfectly !!!
In BUELLing
LaFayette
(Message edited by buellistic on November 04, 2005) |
Ragnagwar
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 08:15 pm: |
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I finally installed the "Easy Pull" today, and I have to confirm that I found the same conditions that Koz5150 mentioned. The part was an extremely difficult fit, and the clutch cable does indeed rub inside the primary. With everything adjusted there were also clutch disengagement issues.On the other hand the clutch feels just as easy as the hydraulic unit on my Kaw ZG1000."Buellistic" how did you figure out the fix that you detailed? Just curious as I'm not about to go changing the clutch around to accomodate the $30.00 part.
"Rags" |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 11:00 pm: |
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Lawrence(AKA Ragnagwar):
You have to hang around RACERS(people in the know)whom are always making "PRODUCT IMPROVEMENTS" as in performamce/longvity ...
You listen to "MECHANICs" on how crapy things
are designed ...
By the way the BLAST/XB models do not have this
spring plate so BMC is subtlety stateing the "TUBE FRAME MODELs" do not need it ...
Check the after market RACING CLUTCHes for
SPORSTER engines do not have it(another hint) ...
In BUELLing
LaFayette |
Ragnagwar
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 01:17 pm: |
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"Buellistic"(AKA LaFayette),
I believe I understand the point of the clutch modification in and of itself, but how does it solve the issues related to the installation of the "EasyPull"? An explanation would be greatly appreciated!
Lawrence
"Rags" |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 04:21 pm: |
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Lawrence(AKA Ragnagwar):
While you are messing with the clutch why not UP-DATE !!!
What "i" am trying to tell you is that the SPRING PLATE only lasts for 50K to 70K ...
Where upon when it goes bad it makes a mess in the clutch bashet ...
When you do this "PRODUCT IMPROVEMENT" it makes for a better longer lasting clutch ...
When the SPRING PLATE goes bad in your clutch and you have to pay out the BIG $$$.$$, you will better understand !!!
In BUELLing
LaFayette |
Oldog
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 01:32 am: |
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As an aside to the Easy pull.
I just did a PM on the "rest" of the scooter
In the process I unhooked the clutch cable and allowed it to drop in doing so Oil leaked by the oring on the primary end and "oiled the clutch cable" This makes a huge difference in the effort required, I do recomend that you remove the cable from the primary for lubing so as to avoid putting dirt in the cable in the case. |
Ragnagwar
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 08:34 pm: |
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I have found the reason that the Easy-Pull clutch mechanism that I installed on my 00 M2 has been such a PIA to adjust as far as clutch disengagement. Under stock conditions, pulling the clutch lever results in the ramp having a total travel of 1 ¼”. When you install the Easy-Pull the travel is limited to about 5/8” due to the fact that the extra length of the arm causes it to hit a large boss cast into the back of the primary cover. You are losing half of your effective disengagement travel! I had to grind the base of the boss which allowed clearance for the arm, restoration of full travel to the ramp, and adjustment as normal. I know some people have stated that they have not experienced any problems with the Easy-Pull modification. I can only assume that the primary casting may have been modified since the introduction of the Easy-Pull. Or, they have just put up with the touchy, limited adjustment. I do know for sure that after installing an Easy-Pull mechanism on an 00 M2 there is no way to get the full adjustment capabilities of the clutch without a little modification to the inside of the primary cover. Pictures: http://tinyurl.com/d43e9
"Rags" |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 09:13 pm: |
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Will check mine the next time "i" have the primary cover off ???
In BUELLing
LaFayette |
Jackbequick
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 12:17 pm: |
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Rags,
Are we all talking about same device? I'm using this one here.
I've had none of the problems you or anyone else has described here. But your photos don't appear to show the same device.
Is it different one?
Jack |
Bluzm2
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 12:53 pm: |
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Rags,
Just a note to anyone else doing the mod.
Don't remove too much metal from the boss, only enough to get the necessary clearance.
Too much and you're into the bolt boss for the clutch cover.
You'll probably wind up with a slight oil leak from the cover area. |
Ragnagwar
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 01:04 pm: |
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Same device Jack. Added picture to last post.
LaFayette, you can check for this condition just by opening the clutch inspection cover. All parts in very close proximity.
"Rags"
Lawrence |
Ragnagwar
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 01:14 pm: |
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Bluzm2,
Thank's for adding that, I didn't think to caution people to check and see what the boss was for. I did not have to remove enough that it caused any problems, but a slow and cautious approach is well advised.
Thank You,
Rags |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 04:11 pm: |
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Ragnagwar:
From what "i" remember(do have CRS at times), with the INSPECTION COVER, clutch removed one can see if there is enough clearance for EASY PULL "PRODUCT IMPROVEMENT" when clutch is pulled ...
In BUELLing
LaFayette |
Jackbequick
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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Rags,
Thanks for the reply.
I'm not sure why some of us have problems and some don't. I follow the instructions that came with the Easy Pull. I backed the clutch cable length adjuster off first, then I adjusted the clutch freeplay as per the manual (down to a light touch and backed off 1/8th turn or so) before I installed the Easy Pull. Then I adjusted the cable length to get about 1/8th" (3.2mm) gap at the opening.
After the first use, I had to increase the cable length slightly because I was getting some excessive gear clash and clutch drag when in gear. After the second adjustment it required no further attention and worked very well. The cable length adjustment is pretty subjective so I just increased it until everything worked well. I think I added 1/2 or 3/4 turn on the cable length adjuster, it did not take much.
I had the cover off a couple of times after and just redid the adjustment on the clutch and cable each time as described above when I put the cover back.
I did put the Buell part that connects the clutch cable to the Easy Pull in backwards one time and could feel something was not right the first time I pulled the clutch lever.
I can see from your photos how the cable pull is misaligned with the Easy Pull on, I'm going to look at that closer the next time I have the cover off to see if the cable is chafing on the housing or if there are any rub points.
I'm parked for the winter right now but I need to start working on that before long.
Jack |
Coolernhail
| | Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 04:28 pm: |
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In the instructions it says " very important" Extened the cable fully, if you don't do this, the easy pull device will contact the lower primary screw boss. This is what's happening. The easy pull device changes the clutch adjustment. You must adjust till you get it right. They're all different. But it works on every Sporty & Buell. Also the raised part is not too wide.
The cable will never wear through the case, It will never wear through the primary case, It's in a primary oil bath.
We've now sold over 3,500 of these devices, problems have been very, very rare. The tollerances on the easy pull hook are so close that it's possible that a small amount of material may have had to been removed on a few. But there is never a need to remove any material from the lower primary screw boss. But all the other problems were the result of installation mistakes, or just not following the instructions ( word for word & step by step ) |
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