| Author | Message | ||
     Tgroghan |
Wyckedflesh, you've hit the nail on the head! I had not heard it described that way but that is it... Hyperness & mellowness. THat is why I like my NineR HYPERNESS. ALso still loves my 1203/S3T | ||
| Trenchtractor |
"Personally I feel that the people who do have these issues with the 12 would also have them with the 9." M1 and Joo, What the hell are you guys on about?? Are you telling me that my 12 pings with the race ECM and runs fine with the stock ECM because of the way I operate my bike?? Since you've stated that I would have the same problems with a nine, let me just tell you that in the first 2 months I owned my race kitted 12 I spent more time on the shop race kitted nine, since my 12 spent most of it's time in the shop while the BUELL QUALIFIED TECHNICIAN tried in vain to rectifiy what he described as "ping on demand". In the time I spent with the nine, it didn't ping at all. Now, my race kitted 12 had 2,000k's on it when I bought it. The race kitted nine had about the same. So could one of you please back up M1's statement?? I just don't understand, since I have, in fact, LIVED WITH BOTH THE NINE & THE 12 AND ONLY EVER HAD TROUBLE WITH THE 12. In fact the nine was such a sweet ride compared to my dog of a bike. Don't get me wrong, I've sorted my bike out myself and now it's great, but there were some major issues for a long time. Conversely, the other race kitted shop 12 ran fine with all my sensors and race ECM. If a self proclaimed computer geek can tell me the solution an ex ducati now buell technician couldn't, I would be forever in your debt. But then, what would I know?? I'm just a qualified electronics tech who's spent ALL his spare time (including childhood) around tuned air cooled motors... Must be the way I operate the bike. | ||
| Joojoo |
Trench.... What I backed up is this - Im a believer that if it was your turn to get a lime (not a total Lemon, lets not even joke about lemon Buells) then you would have gotten a lime 9 too....maybe one that wouldnt agree with the gas its fed...Murphys law kinda thing. Im sure you operate your bike better than I do mine...My 12 made love to the Race ECM just fine though... Who knows. Jack | ||
| Trenchtractor |
I have joked on more than one occassion that the bikes manufactured Monday mornings and Friday afternoons must be sent out as international models... I'm sure mine's a Friday afternoon special. | ||
| Darthane |
Bluey... -=shakes head=- I got my XB9R before even the XB9S was announced. The 12s weren't even a blip on the horizon. When they did come out, there was a huge hullabaloo about how 9s would be worthless and everyone would want the 12s. Wrong. In fact, we had a great thread going about it. I've ridden a 12. I own a 9. I'm not getting rid of the 9 to get the 12 (and while I wouldn't turn one down if I won it, I'm not going to buy one either), and money has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. How does your foot taste? | ||
| Americanrice |
Bluey reminds me alot of 420....................... I bought my 9R right when they first came out, before even the 9s was on the market. When the 12's came out I was interested so I went for a test ride. I HATED the color scheme, I HATED the lower redline, and the small power increase just wasn't enough to make me want to trade. I do like to ride in the higher RPM's, so I will more than gladly keep my race kitted 9R! | ||
| Bluey |
Sorry guys, I don't give a crap what you say about your 9's. Tried them both...bought the 12...Sweetest ride ever and never a mechanical prob yet!! Used to ride CBR's 600 & 954. If I wanted a ride like your 9's, I would've kept the CBR 600F4I(Brand new for only $7,200!) Nothing like the 12's! Was gonna apoligize for hurting your widdle feelings...but..NAH!! BTW, Darthane, I was told by many of my women(including my wife), My foot tastes pretty damn good!!  | ||
| Darthane |
There's no accounting for taste!  ...and you didn't hurt my feelings, you're just making a fool out of yourself by assuming motives with people you don't know. Besides...I can take time of work when I want to, and leave my mortgage and car payment behind! BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! (Message edited by darthane on August 19, 2004) | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
TT...not sure if M1 had your situation in mind since it isn't a problem with your 12 but a problem with an aftermarket Buell part disagreeing with your 12. The problem isn't the bike but the ECM from Buell not doing what its suppossed to. I have read your posts and one thing I never did see in any of your descriptions was whether or not the tech's decided to find out if it was a mechanical issue instead of an electrical. I know you mentioned they replaced sensors and double checked them on other bikes and such, but what I am curious about is whether or not they chose to tear into the motor and find out if there was a mechanical reason the motor had problems with the more aggressive advance curve in the Race ECM. The milder curve in the stock ECM may be just fine but if your low on compression the more aggressive advance curve can cause the pinging. In general I think M1's comment was aimed more at the oil out the breathers, the broken belts, weeping rockerbox gasket that sort of problem. | ||
| Glitch |
Bluey, no hurt feelings here bud, just pisses me off when someone tries to tell me why I did something they have no clue about. Let's face it, obviously you had no clue, just an assumption. | ||
| M1combat |
"In general I think M1's comment was aimed more at the oil out the breathers, the broken belts, weeping rockerbox gasket that sort of problem." Pretty much... Thanks Wycked. Did anyone ever change plugs? I haven't been really keeping up with this thread so much and I don't have the time to read it. I don't mean check them, but change them. Maybe one of them was producing a hot spot due to a nick in it somewhere? | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
Yes he mentioned a change of plugs. | ||
| Bluey |
Why don't ya take some of that lesiure time ya got there,Bryan, and come up my way! We'll make a man outta you yet! Can't wait to meetcha  | ||
| M1combat |
What if he got a bad cam? The gears are pressed on yes? I wonder if the gear was pressed on a couple degrees off and that's causing the CPS to have a bad reading of where the cam actually is? | ||
| M1combat |
BTW... Why is your tech an "ex" ducati tech? | ||
| Bluey |
Gee, Glitch, Sounds to me like ya need a valium! Loosen up dude...If that pisses you off, Ya gonna have some serious problems later on in life! FREAKIN' RELAX!!!! | ||
| Glitch |
I'm relaxed. Just don't try to tell me what I'm thinking or doing, when you don't even know me, that's all. A valium does sound nice though. | ||
| Deerhunter17 |
 Now now boys, can't we all just get along? Just cause some of us are 9's, some are 12's, is that any reason to argue? I'm a 12 guy myself, and well, it's just a longer stroke is all, some have em, and (seems) a lot of you don't. I mean, I know when I whip out my big 12r, the girls go wild, but having never had a 9, I can only assume you guys and your little 9's get the same response. Don't you? So what's the big deal, ... we don't have cubic envy now do we...?  | ||
| Americanrice |
There is just no argueing with some of the logic on this board sometimes! You guys just ride yours' and I'll ride mine. XB9R, the original XB (where it all started) | ||
| M1combat |
Before it evolved  . | ||
| Americanrice |
Oh Boy....................... | ||
| M1combat |
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| Trenchtractor |
Funny thing you guys asking about a mechanical issue... Like I said, Friday afternoon special. I made a big song and dance about the mechanical side of it. Response from the Buell Factory was if the stock one worked and the race one didn't, to put the stock ECM back in and stop my bitchin', basically. But I can't be quoting them since they never paid me the curtesy to contact me direct. Sheesh, it's not like I spent 2 or 3 months with my bike in and out of the shop like a teenagers willy... It's not like i was inconvenienced or anything. So that's where it ends, essentially. I actually made noises about having the top end pulled off just to see how bad the damage from all the pinging was. My brother asked me a question... Wouldn't this busted ar5e lemon be worth more to Buell as a research tool to find out what the problem is at a factory level, surely the cost of half a dozen 5h1t bikes would be worth some customer satisfaction and the knowledge that they have fixed whatever the problem is for good?? I guess what he's getting at is that Buell might be better off taking mine and a couple of other bikes (Opto, Spidey, etc) back to the factory, giving us new bikes that work properly, doing the research and fixing the inconsistancies that caused the problem in our bikes and nobody elses. Lets face it, our bikes all come from the same factory. Why is it some work with the race ECM and some don't. I think there would be a lot more out there that just aren't using the race ECM. So then, buying a race ECM for a 12 becomes a gamble. I don't feel that my case was handled in a very professional manner from a factory level. I even begged everyone i talked to to get the guy at the next level to call or e-mail me, please... I'm a reasonable guy (despite what you might think) that's been pushed to the end of my tether... But I got no calls from anyone outside Australia. I am dissapointed because if the problem I have is so rare, then I would be considered a special case. As a tech I feel a need for closure, I didn't get any on this issue. But if the problem is so common that i don't rate a little special attention, then why hasn't there been a solution?? When they say different in every sense I didn't think it meant manufacturing consistancies, too. | ||
| Joojoo |
Trench, What was the damage like when they opened the heads up? Anything interesting?? Jack (Message edited by joojoo on August 20, 2004) | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
JooJoo he never found out, that is what he is saying. He is asking Buell Warrenty to cover it and not getting any response back or simply being told to just put the Stock ECM back in. | ||
| M1combat |
"Response from the Buell Factory was if the stock one worked and the race one didn't, to put the stock ECM back in and stop my bitchin', basically. But I can't be quoting them since they never paid me the curtesy to contact me direct." Hmmm, I'm not refuting your claims, but that doesn't really sound like Buell support... That sounds more like a dealer who's tired of dealing with the issue. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
M1 it sounds quite a bit like what Dyna went through with his X1 if you think about it. | ||
| M1combat |
Yes it does. Which is EXACTLY why it's pissing me off... Look at Dyna now (sorry dyna). Brad - I think you need to speak with Buell directly instead of with your dealer. I wouldn't trust the dealer in any fashion. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
even begged everyone i talked to to get the guy at the next level to call or e-mail me, please... I'm a reasonable guy (despite what you might think) that's been pushed to the end of my tether... I take that to mean he has called BCS... | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Been there, done that. |
