| Author | Message | ||
     Deanh8 |
XB12 with XB9 pistons. Micron exhaust and open air kit with a bored TB. Bolt on 2008 R6 and Bolt on 2003 GSXR750 Buell vs R6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e4uW-a--Fs Buell vs GSXR750 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd7QHJW0iEk | ||
| Gunut75 |
Very nice. Looks like you have that thing tuned up right 'n' proper. I'm going to remember the 9 in the 12 piston trick. Maybe find a scrap motor somewhere I can rebuild........ | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Running standard high octane pump gas Dean? R6 appeared to not even have a chance, the 750 did a bit better but you still skunked them both. Sweet. Do you know the other riders? Wondering how much rider skill played into your advantage, cause I've never seen a Buell dump IL4's like that excepting on curves and such. | ||
| Bads1 |
Alot played into skill's.The Gixxer is one fast bike that will run with liter bikes. It has a top speed of 172. Bike of the year since 2000 more then once. The R6 is no slouch with a rev to 15,000 and I believe 115 hp stock. These guys either couldn't ride or weren't trying. I'd like to think couldn't ride. | ||
| Deanh8 |
750 was an older carbed bike. 00 to 03 body style. MAYBE 120hp on a good day. R6 made 104hp and 45ftlbs of torque My xb12 makes 108hp and 100ftlbs of torque I'm sure skill helps also but even on roll on races where it's mainly just power i pull until 120 Also keep in mind this is just a short drag race. Torque gearing traction and chassis setup all play a roll. (Message edited by Deanh8 on December 01, 2011) | ||
| Bads1 |
Dean the 2000 model was the first year the GSXR was bike of the year. It was a 172mph bike. It was also low 10 second bike out of the box so no slouch. Funny even over the years the 750 hasn't gotten faster. They just have plain done a fantastic job with it. Your actually saying your bike would pull a 1125R in a sense... because the GIXXER is that fast. Even with your mods and mind you they are good. It takes a stretched and talented rider to get the Buell in the 10's. A not so good rider should be able to get the Gixxer in the low 11's unstretched. | ||
| Blake |
>>> 750 was an older carbed bike. Pretty sure fuel injection had appeared well before 2000 on the GSXR750, around 1998 I think. A Buell wins a race and the other rider had to be crap? Wow. You've not raced have you? Ever try to launch an IL4 without burning the clutch? | ||
| Deanh8 |
What I was trying to imply by it being an older bike is that older bikes do not run as good as newer bikes. 90% of any of the import bikes you see around from 98-03 are crap. Very rare to find one that has been properly maintained and taken care of. Imagine what 12 years with very few valve adjustments will do to power. I have always had I4 bikes before my XB12. I had a 2005 ZX6R 636 that made 130whp and 50ftlbs of torque. I got it to run a 9.9 in the 1/4 so I know how fast I4 bikes can be. I have never seen any showroom stock, even new, GSXR750 run into the 10's at any drag strip around here. Magazine times are just that, magazine times. Sure there are youtube videos of it happening, I have seen youtube videos of C6 Z06 Corvettes running 10's show room stock. but its rare to even see one break into the 11's in the real world. And I will get this XB12 into the 10's without being stretched. Thats not going to be an issue. Just need more track time, im so used to slipping the clutch on my I4 bikes, its hard for me to get used to dumping it on this thing. everyone told me Id never run 10's on my 600, lets just say my 9 sec pass shut a lot of people up. Id love to give an 1125 a quick 0-100mph race like I did in these videos. Not saying Id win but it would be fun. (Message edited by deanh8 on December 01, 2011) | ||
| Bads1 |
Dean come to Wisconsin I'll show you a 2000 GSXR that has been used as track day slut and been out to the Strip on occasion and hes running 10.70's with it just piped.Valve adjustments are determined by mileage. Tell me about the 636 running nines??? | ||
| Deanh8 |
Cams, Intake, Strapped and Geared down with a full race exhaust and dyno tune. Running 10.2's all day before cams, 126whp without them, about 132whp with... didnt make shit for torque after the race exhaust, but ran hard up top. 9.9 @ 132mph Everyone called it a cheater bike, the extra 37cc's you know? It was pulling over 120whp stock with just the euro spec ECU pin mod. Fast little 600. Most of my buddies with brand new R6's were having trouble getting 110whp. My friends 2002 GSXR600 just put down 92whp the other day. My buell walks all over that thing. Rare to find someone who takes care of their bikes. Even rarer to find someone who knows how to ride one worth a shit. Im not doubting the 10 sec 750's at all, I know they can do it. Im just saying how often do you see it happen? Most 600's run 12's around here if that tells you anything. My videos prove this fact. lol (Message edited by deanh8 on December 01, 2011) | ||
| Bads1 |
Ever try to launch an IL4 without burning the clutch? Yeah quite a bit on my 954. Begs for more. Feels good to beat the shit out of something thats not a show bike.lol Dean the 636 sounds pretty awesome. I'm not denying your bike will go well. Seen that combo done a few times and it does work. The 750 though is quite the bike that is no secret. My neighbor is the one that has one (Brian). The guy can ride it. Just sayin the bike is more then capable.... is the rider?? | ||
| Fast1075 |
My old 1973 Kawi 900 ran mid 8's.  | ||
| Buellblastrider |
ok for reference my girls 06 750 showroom stock ran a 10.98 wit a .002 light. The r6 looked like a 07 up bike which has a higher redline that 15 as stated above, yes that gixxer was older and I wasnt surprised that you beat him. The r6 seemed to be mostly bad rider. As stated these races were short so had the bikes gone faster I have no doubt the inlines would have won. My bikes (both xb12's) run all the inlines (other than the talented 1000cc and up riders at the 1/8th but after that they pull from me. Also for reference my girls 06 750 topped out at 162 on the dyno while the speedo said 180. As most of you know the digital speedos arent the most accurate so 172 on a old fat gixxer out of the box I dont see it likely. | ||
| No_rice |
a buell can never beat another sport bike.... if you think it can, well then your obviously wrong... i know every time ive out run a nonbuell on a road course, i woke up from my dream... never have figured out why i had my leathers on when i woke up from my dream though...  | ||
| Bads1 |
As most of you know the digital speedos arent the most accurate so 172 on a old fat gixxer out of the box I dont see it likely. Actually the 2000 was tested on a speedvision back in the day. It was a halfhour show dedicated to that bike. And those weren't so fat.lol Pre 2000 had the big Sprad tails.Your girls on the Dyno 162 ??? Usually bike of all nature get some wheel spin on a dyno so don't go by that. You better brush up on your specs of the GSXR 750's. From 2000 to present they really aren't improved in QTR mile times at all. | ||
| Buellblastrider |
And I still stand by the fact that a Suzuki pro rider thAT lives here near our drag strip ran 10.98 with a .002 light. This man generally runs one of his turbo busas that is sponsored by Suzuki. Darren aka dash..sorry I don't know his last name. Her bike made 112 rwhp 56 rwtq. Great bike I put 10,000 miles on it myself but unfortunately someone ruined it so now she has a gsxr 1000 | ||
| Deanh8 |
Her 750 made 112hp and 56ftlbs and you guys are calling bs on me beating one when I make 108hp and 100ftlbs? Like I said the R6 I beat makes less power then I do. And I have double the torque. (Message edited by deanh8 on December 03, 2011) | ||
| Buellblastrider |
I never called be to you beating the gsxr or the r6 just agreed with your statement that it was a short low end race where the Buell is king. I was disagreeing with a old carved gixxer doing 172 and offering the newer bike for reference. Never once doubted your wins. | ||
| Littlebuggles |
I thought they were fun videos, my compliment on your riding should not have been as backhanded as it was. I've already commented on how sweet I think your bike is on your rebuild thread, though I don't recall reading all the engine details. I just wanted to know some of the details of the race. If I owe an apology you have it. | ||
| Buellblastrider |
yeah its a very nice bike. makes me want to reconsider putting xb9 piston in my bike.. I am just afraid the compression is to much for me to useon the street for another 50,000 miles | ||
| Deanh8 |
No harm done, just out there having fun. | ||
| Tony216 |
I am not saying this to be jerk, but I had a 2000 GSXR750 (which was the third year of fuel injected GSXR750's, I believe the first year with secondary butterflies). My 750 had nothing more than a Leo Vince bolt-on. I currently own an XB12. I have a hard time believing that you'd do that a real track against any rider with more than a couple passes down the strip. I'm assuming if you got a 636 down a 1/4 mile in 9.9, that you can launch the shit out of a bike. FYI, my 2000 750 dyno'd 121 or 122 (no torque) on Dynojet dyno with 600 miles on it (started at 114, it was so fresh). I don't have a dyno number on my Buell, hoping to get it down after the offseason rebuild. I'm hoping to hit 110/100 with 110 octane and I have a very well built XB. But then again, not all dynos read the same. I remember one guy with a Yosh pipe and jetting on a 97 750 claimed that his bike did 135 on a local Harley dealer's dyno. (Message edited by Tony216 on December 04, 2011) (Message edited by Tony216 on December 04, 2011) | ||
| Deanh8 |
I'm not going out there saying I can smoke 750's. I have had friends with some that made 140hp. All I was doing was posting videos of some of me and my buddies having some fun. And his 750 does not make 120hp. Lucky to do 110. He pulls me by about 3 bikes to 130 A newer 750 would leave me hard at high speeds. So much bench racing here you guys are making my head hurt. Bottom line is Buell wins to 115 from dead stop and holds its own from a slow roll . We got more runs in but I forgot to hit record on gopro. I'm still learning this bike. Very hard to launch from what I'm used to. Very fine line between bog, wheelie and slipping clutch to much out of torque band (Message edited by Deanh8 on December 04, 2011) | ||
| Deanh8 |
Torque wins races. Horsepower sells cars. Freeway "rolls" are not racing IMO. When we race around here it's gotta be from a dig. Skill, traction, gearing, weight all are factors. I've had some pretty torquey street cars that could hold off higher HP cars for a good amount of time based off launch and gearing. It's all about finding a good combo that works and adjusting everything. What is done to your xb12 to get 110hp? IMO my build is pretty mild. I didn't put any money into the motor yet. Can't wait to do heads cams and big bore Or turbo if I get my FXR reliable enough to daily drive | ||
| Boney95 |
I'll add this...I used to smoke a buddy on his Daytona 675 from a dead stop. Once we would hit 100mph he had the run on me. | ||
| Tony216 |
I really don't want to argue on the Internet. I just don't think you'd beat any fuel-injected 750 in a full 1/4 mile on a real track against a guy with the slightest clue of what he's doing. Like I said, if you can get a 636 into the 9's, you can ride. But hopefully, you'll quit street racing and then I'll be way more interested in watching your videos. I met a guy at a local drag strip who was racing an XB with a wheelie bar. It was a pretty effective bike. The night I was there, he lost to a GSXR600 of similar vintage to that 750. As for my Buell, there's not not much above the base-gaskets that's stock. | ||
| Deanh8 |
Why are you even bringing up a 1/4 mile drag strip. The start and finish are marked in the race in the video. I do admit I let off To early. What did this wheelie bar XB do at the track? Ive seen wheelie bar XBs run 12's and My friends GSXR600 cannot get passed me even at highway speeds until I'm banging the limiter in 5th. His bike is a 2002 and it carbed. We can race from 60 until I top out and he can't get in front. He makes 92whp on that bike and weighs within 5lbs of my XB What work do you have done on the top end? I'm just asking because 110hp should be really easy to get without headwork. Plus you are running 110 octane must be nice. I'm stuck with 91 here in California (Message edited by deanh8 on December 04, 2011) | ||
| Buellblastrider |
He seems to know very well what his bike can and cant do as well as the capabillities of other bikes. I dont see the need in harping on him about what he chooses to do. I for one will just say thanks for sharing the vifeos. | ||
| Ian03xl |
There's no deal man fact is ya done pretty darn good and some people you just can't please. It's been said and done many times before: if the race is short enough that you don't need to exceed 100 mph by much then the buells do quite well against 600s and 750s. It has more to do with when the power is made if you get into a higher gear earlier and have the power at lower revs then you'll carry more speed in a short race. | ||
| Tony216 |
Like I said, I'm not going to get into an online argument. However, I'll answer your questions. I bring up the 1/4 mile because that's the drag race standard. Though I haven't been to a drag strip since the NHRA pro events switched to 1000', so maybe it's the 1000' is the standard now. The Buell I was watching was running faster than 12.5, because I was making fun of my friend whose Camaro was slower (though he eventually ran a 12.05 with a true POS). Not answering a question, just comment; your friend's 2002 GSXR600 had fuel injection when it left on the boat from Japan. As for my bike, port/polish, high compression pistons, cylinders and more. It's a good motor. 110 should be available at your local race track, unless CA banned leaded race fuels for offroad use as well. Big deal on "organized" street racing. I'll cover this in two lists; I can see and things I assume. Things I can see: Lanes are narrow. There's cars in the shut down area. If you hit a trailer or a car, and live, your insurance isn't covering it. Things I am assuming: No blowers to clear the "track." No safety crew. Little to no pre-race inspection. I'm out on this one. |
