| Author | Message | ||
     Bads1 |
Ed, I didn't call you a Bullshitter. A ecu and a pipe doesn't net you 200mph. Why does my dentist bike do it?? They are both Prepped By Corse Motorsports here in Wisconsin. The guy has deep pockets. I don't want to call your Mechanic I don't care enough to do so. If you do 200 its geared down. Fully prepped Factory Ducati's here at Road America hit maybe 180 in the straights and those bikes cost triple. | ||
| Bads1 |
Good luck with the Buell Ed. | ||
| Ochoa0042 |
I really love the Brutale, but I've always wondered why it looks like there is a rubberband squishing the bike together??? | ||
| Bombardier |
I do not think the Echo has much of a chance against a litre bike but I guess there is always a slim chance....... | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Would Buell ever make an IL4? Or would that be too unorthodox, even for Buell? I'm hoping the next model can compete with the import liters. How does the 1098 make all that with a Vtwin, why can't Buell? | ||
| Bads1 |
Trust me the 1125R can be made to make that power. Its being done right now in racing?? | ||
| Ochoa0042 |
How does the 1098 make all that with a Vtwin It has to do with the angle.. the 90degree-Ltwin configuration has no vibration whatsoever.. so this allows it have a lighter crankshaft because it has no need for internal balancers & whatknot, thus leading to higher RPM, but at the expense of engine space I really think buell should make a V4, IMO there will be nothing better than that | ||
| Blake |
Baloney. | ||
| Sloppy |
You mean to be just like Honda??? Folks, you're first supposed to figure out what you want to do with a bike before you decide on which bike to buy!!! Hello? Anyone home? No wonder why we're in a financial mess. "Let me buy this zillion dollar home -- it's so beautiful. I'm so happy and my friends are so jealous". 3 years later, "wait a minute, I can't afford the damn thing and all I really needed was a two bedroom apartment anyways. DOH!" (Message edited by sloppy on January 16, 2009) | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
Would it be bad for Buell to make more than a V-twin? Don't get me wrong, love my bike and the V. But it does seem all US made bikes are v-twin. Would be cool to have a few domestic options. But I guess the question would be, will they buy it?. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
Yall sit there and talk like it is not possible for some one to make a buell run with a il4 and I say BS look at the different engine shops that are sponsors here and the one that used to be and ask them that. They have time slips dyno sheets and stuff that tells me they buells can run with il4s if you the money in to them. Time after time I have seen american v twins do just as good or better at the strip as IL4s. Granted they were not stock and the IL4s were prob close to stock but thats not the point. | ||
| Bads1 |
I know the sponsors and in person. Then go throw the money at your engine by all means. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
I am not the guy trying to do this but I am just saying if some one is dead set on having a buell run that fast it is possible. Expensive but possible. I have made passes on my dads dyna which was built from parts from Revolution performance and It will run with il4s and honestly it I do not feel I need my buell to run that fast. | ||
| Bads1 |
Good because it won't reliable. For the money spent I could buy another bike that would go faster then the money spent. | ||
| Sloppy |
Hey, just a reality check here -- physics doesn't care whose name is on the engine! It's very simple - the engine that can pump the most air will be capable of producing more power. Look at the HUGE advantages that the NHRA V-Twin drag bikes have been given just so they can keep up with the IL4's! All we're saying is if you spend an equal amount of money on two bikes, the one with the most cylinders is going to produce more power. Do the math yourself if you don't believe us. If you want to put money in your Buell to make more power, then go for it. You'll have the claim of being the fastest Buell. But if you want to have the "fastest" bike, then buy an IL4 and you'll be able to go faster with less money! | ||
| The_italian_job |
Amen! | ||
| No_rice |
Rice, Your telling me that your nine with out the nos out ran liter bikes down the straight??? Man you have been putting the wrong powdered sugar on your corn flakes my friend. If that was the case you were running against alot of guys that are afraid to turn the throttle WFO on there inlines. The straight up hill takes the beath out of a XB and the straight is long enough to bump the redline. A liter bike pulls 170 out there constantly. Remember that track is a hour away from me. I see alot over there. That story your telling me I've seen but at bed time. no actually thats not what i said my dear old pal. i said they couldnt out run me. get the difference? up till about the first half of that straight im still carrying more speed then plenty. usually there are not many that come past untill about half way down the straight, then after that i am banging the revlimit. but go back into turn one, and many times right before or in the area of turn 2 im right back around them again. and if thats the case, then usually by the time we hit the front straight the next go round they dont catch me anymore. now, you put the exact same rider on the 2 bikes and the story will be a little different, but again. thats not what we are talking about. i believe as a rider i have plenty to learn about being fast yet, but i also believe ive picked up alot over the years. no one bothers to get all the facts before they start bashing people. i dont believe he will out run basically everything but a busa in a straight line up to top end, because that my friend IS physically impossiable because of the gearing much less the motor difference. but as many times as i read his original statement, i dont see where it says a straight line. or even where it says anything about distance or location for that matter. maybe i need glasses or my powdered sugar is in my eyes. the point being, that he didnt say how or where he has out run them but yet as always you instantly say its impossiable. this thing shouldnt be able to out run the bikes it is either, so this must be a fake vid everyone liked so much http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/406 2/428430.html?1231948835 now dana, i always look forward to seeing you at homecoming and such, and probably still will. but sometimes i wonder why you always pipe up with an answer for something that you dont even have information to base an opinion on. besides the fact that its not usually ever positive but almost always negative. we have had this conversation plenty. i said on my 1125 i have out run a few liter bikes including GSXR's. i even stated that i didnt mean all the way to top end, but that we hadnt run them up to much over say give or take maybe 130 or so. why would that be? well because we are on the street. i may be nuts, but im not stupid. you as usuall call horse$hit. even though you dont ask if its from a dead start, rolling start, how good a rider they are compared to me. NOTHING that might help form an EDUCATED opinion of the subject. hell there are even recorded track times and race winners that beat "faster" bikes but yet you still say it is physically impossiable for that to happen. i guess the only way to convince you is for you to get your hands on a liter bike and me one of my bikes. then we can both sign up for a trackday together and see if i can out run you. blackhawk would work better for me simply because its alot closer, but you know i make occasional trips up to your area for an inside pass once in awhile also. | ||
| Bads1 |
you know how many inlines and yes some were liters that couldnt out run my 9 down the front straight of road america(and many were past) over and over. Isn't this exactly what you said Tim. I'm not bashing. You didn't explain yourself. You know how many Buell's and liter bikes I've seen go up that hill before the straght??? More then I can count. They are dusted before the top of the hill. Tim I've been riding these bikes for Ten years. I'm pretty comfortable in knowing the bikes ptretty well. I've had liter bikes. I've ridden new liter bikes. Its night and day. Some of things you are saying now are not what you said in past conversations. I asked you to show me pics of how your NOS was hooked up.Wheres that??? Yes when I smell poop I say it. I like you Tim really I do. I enjoy seeing you as well as the young lady. But come on man You expect me to believe you even hold them half way?? | ||
| Bads1 |
I know this is a Pro rider but this is infact a Superstock bike. Meaning no internal engine mods. Also running race DOT tires. Just suspension,exhaust,etc. Watch the speed running coming out of the last turn before climbing the hill before the straight. He exiting the last turn in the 70's. When he gets to the peek of the hill that bike is hitting the 140,s. This is a matter of just giving all the bike has coming out of the last turn (Message edited by bads1 on January 20, 2009) | ||
| Bads1 |
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| No_rice |
But come on man You expect me to believe you even hold them half way?? of course not, i was trying to get you to let me prove it to you in person  here ya go. these are all i have and they are a bit old. dont seem to have any pics of the fuel system, but it runs off the tank drain hole and theres a pump under the seat. not even sure of the make of the pump. i just know diablo brian brought it (from one of his old sportbike systems) to me in person and helped me update my system before homecoming one year.         | ||
| Bads1 |
No problem Tim. I'll just Rush out and buy a liter bike tomorrow. Which should I buy ya think. A Gixxer,R1,CBR. I hate trying to make a choice on a bike I wouldn't want to buy.lol Like I said look at the video. That 1000 is doing more mph at the top of hill then the Buell has all together. As far as your NOS.... cool I just wanted to see how you had it hooked up. | ||
| Diablobrian |
I'm trying to remember the make on the pump too, now that you mention it.... IIRC it is a nitrous express electric fuel pump that had been in my garage as a left over from one of my old gixxer-wet systems from a few years back that I thought Tim could put to good use. We put it in before departing Tim's house on the way to homecoming...3 years ago. I even considered putting a nos system on my bike for a while, but with the compression ratio my bike is running, and the amount of time Terry G spent tuning my bike it seemed like a waste for the way I ride these days  (not to mention how little riding I get in) | ||
| Bombardier |
No-Rice - Did you seal up where the nos hoses go through the air filter? | ||
| Steve_mackay |
up till about the first half of that straight im still carrying more speed then plenty. I can verify that yes, he has done that. But, alot of it has to do with his corner speed. He's carrying a bunch more speed coming out of the last corner before the straight than the liter bikes do. So in the end, it has a lot to do with Tim's excellent riding ability. Dana, your video is a bit of cheating there... That is Jason Pridmore. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
V4 would be cool, kinda hybrid between IL4 and the Twin. I'd buy one! I didn't mean to start a firestorm guys, I'm just a noob with big hopes for my fave company, thats all. 1125R will be my next bike, no doubt about it, need to look around there forum and see what there getting with mods. The RC51 has a v4 and that thing is fassssst. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
The RC51 has a v4 and that thing is fassssst. Umm, the RC51 has a V-Twin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_RC51 | ||
| B00stzx3 |
I thought it was a v4, 2 more cylinders than us? | ||
| Bads1 |
Steve I have varified who it was Steve. Pridmores speed was in the high sixty's MPH range coming out of that corner. And yes it is Super Stock Machine. So it nothing that most privateers aren't running them selves in alot of ways. Paul James,Rocco,Tom Michaels are not bucking 140 at the peak of that hill. I know my bike can't. Thast is BTW not even the straight away. Look half way down at pridmores MPH.... its almost 170 at midway just to set up for turn one. Liter bikes are just that damn fast and it doesn't take a Pro to see how fast it will go in a straight. The pro level comes in when they are paying attention at that speed enough to see there markers and position them selves for turn one. Dyna has pulled 170 on that Straight.I'm not knocking Tims riding I know hes a descent rider. I'm just saying the bike will not in any way pass a liter bike or even keep up with one out there. | ||
| Diablobrian |
FWIW the rc45 was the v4 that came before the rc51 v-twin. The v4 Hondas starting back with the interceptor 500,750 and 1000 back in 83/84 were magnificent bikes that did very well as a "best of both worlds" sport bike before the sport lost out to touring mission of the interceptor line. It has everything to do with the racing sanctioning bodies and displacement rules for a given engine configuration. Right now in big racing HP is KING. As long as the advantage in HP to Mass, size favors the compact IL4 or narrow v-twin you can expect to see current trends continue. A relatively wide and heavy v-4 will not be competetive on the track and won't sell as a "REAL" sport bike on the sales floor. Oh yeah, I had an 84 VF1000F interceptor and it is one of my all time favorite motorcycles (after I upgraded the front wheel, forks and brakes with 86-7 GSXR parts, 16" front tires were not available in the stickier compounds you know ) |
