| Author | Message | ||
     Buellboy05 |
just curious if anyone has done this or knows anything about putting a turbo on a buell? how does it perform? | ||
| Bonesbuell |
http://www.hillbillymotors.com/html/turbo.html It in German though. type the above url into this webpage to translate.... http://world.altavista.com/ | ||
| Joele |
I emailed Jens, haven't heard back and can't find a recount of performance. Seems like vaporware to me. | ||
| Newxb9er |
I recall reading here that the cost of the turbo per HP gain was a crazy amount of money. Not worth it, unless you just want to say you have one! | ||
| Spike |
Personally, I'd like to know more about the turbo X1 that Eric Buell had some time ago. Size the turbo properly for super-quick spoolup and minimal lag, add in some factory tuning and you should have a really fun ride. | ||
| 1313 |
Spike, Spike, Spike, Of all people, you should know it's Erik, not Eric.  Maybe if you went to Homecoming with me this year you would've known better.  Oh well, there is always next year... 1313 | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
I recall reading here that the cost of the turbo per HP gain was a crazy amount of money. Only because they are looking at the cost in US dollars after trying to work out the exchange rate. If you look at it from a one to one perspective, and then take into account what everything else on the market is making from the dollar to HP game, the turbo looks damn good. | ||
| Dago |
He mentioned last winter that he still had that beast in his garage somewhere, but that it was in a few pieces. I jokingly asked if he wanted to sell it and he answered, "My wife would love that." Something told me he didn't want to let it go. It was #2 off the production line if I'm remembering what he said correctly. | ||
| Spike |
Ack!! Worst part of it is I do know it's EriK. Call it a typo. Blame it me posting when I should have been on my way home from work. I dunno. | ||
| Leftcoastal |
I've heard that some of our less staid Badwebbers have dabbled with this, though I haven't seen any on XB's yet. Maybe it's because some of the older tube frame models were considered to be "HP challenged" as compared to the new models. AL | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
Space is more of the concern on an XB, its easier to plumb and mount a turbo on a Tuber then it is to work out the mounting and tubing routing on an XB. | ||
| Leftcoastal |
Wycked - That's for sure - when my RS was featured in a bike mag back when previous owner had it, it had a proto-type mounting that put the Aerocharger under the bike where the muffler used to be. To do that on an XB would be a nightmare, getting the intake plumbing back up to the TOP of the bike so it could force feed the down draft system. | ||
| Joele |
I'm a big fan of forced induction but I wonder what the HB folks did to deal with the augmented fuel map requirements - also, looks like they stuffed an air to air intercooler under the airbox cover - how efficient can that be, being so close to the TB? | ||
| Newxb9er |
I think Hillbilly-Motors is working on the Turbo and Supercharger projects for the XB's. Would like to see someone here try it out and give us a report! (Message edited by Newxb9er on July 07, 2005) | ||
| Joele |
You don't say. | ||
| Newxb9er |
I guess that's what I get for reading half the posts!!! | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
Why would it be inefficient that close to the TB? It has less distance to travel and heat back up again before it goes into the engine. As to fuel, without seeing their system its difficult to say. I could see upgraded injectors that have the flow rate to deal with the demands of the turbo, who knows right off without seeing the actual system. | ||
| Buelltroll |
"You don't say." "I guess that's what I get for reading half the posts!!!" TOOOOOOOO fkn funny so funny I had to edit this 3 times (Message edited by buelltroll on July 08, 2005) | ||
| Ronlv |
these guys do turbos and fuel injection http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/index.htm anyone try one of their fuel injection systems | ||
| Bonesbuell |
Another option is NoS | ||
| Captainplanet |
Leftcostal. Seems to me that the intake could exit the TB, through the snorkle hole in the frame, right down to the turbo. The 180 degree bend wouldn't be great, but it seems doable. Actually after looking at the HB site, that appears to be what they did. | ||
| Joele |
Why would it be inefficient that close to the TB? Intercoolers get hot - that's what they do, they shed heat - why would you cool the intake charge and then turn around and heat it back up again at the throttle body - That's what I'm thinking. Maybe they put a thermal barrier around the throttle body? | ||
| Roc |
I think this would be a better bike to start with than the tube frames. The XB's have all of the heat management stuff and they also have a big airbox that seems to be easily sealed, a plenum. The package would have cleaner plumbing too, go through the frame as mentioned above. Fuel supply is the problem. | ||
| Martin |
I started a turbo XB project last winter but never finished it, partly because I couldn't get reasonable insurance. I was looking to mount the turbo on the right side, exhausting into the muffler and then bring the charge round the front of the motor in a finned tube up the snorkel hole to pressurise the airbox. You could tackle the fuelling in two ways: replacing the in-tank pump and regulator with a new pump and rising-rate regulator linked to boost (You can see their new pump under the motor on the hillbilly bike if you look) or a PC111 (or even a Mega squirt)linked to bigger injectors (Standard are 300cc but Pico 330's can be swapped straight in, at the risk of cocking-up the idle and off-boost perf. I could not find a secondhand aerodyne (or whatever they are called now) which I would have preferred, so was using an old schwitzer S1 with integral wastegate. This was a bit heavy. I opted to build a twin inlet instead but still hanker after that boosted bang.Maybe next winter! | ||
| Roc |
Martin - The aerodyne turbos are quite, you will not need a muffler. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
Joele, or it could be that having the air come straight out of the intercooler under pressure, it really doesn't have the chance to heat back up enough to be a problem with the short runners of the XB intake. | ||
| Joele |
Yea, I guess that makes sense, Wyckedflesh. Whenever doing forced induction, it always makes sense to have an ECM that takes boost in to account as well as intake temp. TPS, RPM, Speed and maybe O2 reading. Does the PCIII have an input for pressure? I don't think the stock ECM reads the amount of air being drawn in by either MAF (Mass Air Flow) sensor or anything else, does it? | ||
| Craigster |
The stock ECM does not read baro pressure nor does the Power Commander. Mega Squirt reads baro and uses TPS for accel enrichment or can be configured for pure alpha-N using tps and rpm only and only the map sensor for baro correction. The MSII can operate in blended AN/Speed density so you can run AN at low rpm and low throttle openings where manifold pressure spikes up and down rapidly - and switch to Speed density at an RPM point where map becomes stable and hopefully a few hundred rpm before your earliest onset of boost. MS currently works with the 2.5 bar GM sensor. Aslong as you don't exceed 21 psig of boost you won't need any custom software/hardware. | ||
| Stoobr2 |
I was with Jens (Hillbilly-Motors) This weekend at the 2nd European track weekend at Le-Croix-En-Ternoise in France. The Hellbender 1430cc turbo XB9 is away over the next weeks at a motorcycle publication being road tested by some journalists with a view to a future artical. Jens, told me he the bike is nice to ride, I can't repeat his exact words, but he seemed pleased with his creation.... Here's a few images from the weekend......  The HBM tube frame race bike  1170cc XB9 a.k.a The Grey Fellow These 2 bikes are from Buell Bonn, both the tubeframe ans the XB had many trick bits & features. The XB has fully mappable FI, caron brakes (Sicom) BST carbon rims and full carbon bodywork. The tubeframe bike (featured) is currently No:#1 in the Thunderbears series, the HBM (Hillbilly-Motors) tubeframe is No:#2 in the same Championships. The first time in Europe Buells have been 1st & 2nd in the same Championship !!!! Racing against Ducati's, Aprilia's and other V twin and twin cylinder engine bikes.  Buell Bonn tubeframe race bike, Marchesini rims, twin front discs, chain drive are just 3 of the noticable features.  The Buell Bonn trick XBR * Sporting an Ilmbeger carbon fairing (available in race or road versions). BST carbon rims and Sicom carbon brake rotors + fully mappable FI system. Not the correct forum, but this Black S1 was well turned out  No fuss, no clutter, one of Eriks earlier creations at it's best, and wearing full race slicks. | ||
| Joele |
Thanks for the pictures Stoobr2 - know of anyone besides the Hillbilly-Motors guys who run one of Jens' XB9 turbos? | ||
| Buelltroll |
Got any pics or a link to the BST rims? | ||
| Stoobr2 |
In answer to your questions, I personally don't know of anyone in the UK who is using a Turbo-charger on a XB. That's not to say their isn't some enterprising soul who has experimented with a turbo set-up of his own design. Like Martin for instance, who has now gone on to dual inlets, having experimented with a Turbo set-up. TTS performance here in the UK started to design a super-charger set-up for XB12's, but that seems to have faded away....... Jens Hillbilly-Motors has fitted a super-charger to a XB9. BST carbon wheel rims, the applications on the Buell Bonn bike are most likely Ducati or Aprilia 5 spoke items so the Sicom brakes will fit correctly. Obviously you will need new wheel spindles, and more than likely some machined brake caliper brackets, depending on what brake set-up you have in mind. * These parts are included in the Sicom carbon rotor kit. along with revised fork ends to enable the radial calipers to be installed. Anyway, here's a link that might be of some interest ? if you have any problem drop me an email and I can call them for you. http://www.bikehps.com/bst/index.html Stoo. (Message edited by Stoobr2 on July 12, 2005) |
