| Author | Message | ||
     Rocketman |
I don't like the way Nallin Racing have hijacked this board. Once upon a time we'd have great fun bouncing off each other, Pammy, Blake, Aaron, whoever. Now it's all a little one sided and woe betide anyone who says different. You'll be ridiculed off this board and that's everyones loss. Rocket  | ||
| Brion |
JW, I just read part four of the supersonic nozzle article. You Da Man! This is the kind of stuff I am looking for thanks a bunch. Aaron maybe you would be interested in this article. Keep it coming. Brion | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
A pissed off damn Limey. Gotta love Sean for not seeing the world through the rest of our eyes. BTW, just how the hell are ya I missed you at the salt this year. Ray | ||
| Brion |
Hey rocket man, Thanks for watching my back. I thought it was just me that saw a little bias going on here, when I was just looking for some advice. Check out the site that JW recommended. Makes me think I might try a different approach on my heads. If I do I will keep people posted. Brion | ||
| Shazam |
Brian, I want to jump into this conversation, but nothing I can tell you is quantifiable. I'll say this anyhow. I ran Nallin's stageIII heads on my XB with a race ECM and Latus slip-on (otherwise unmodified) for about 4500 miles. The difference is not insignificant. This was after 12000 miles of bone stock riding on this bike. Hard riding. It really opens up on the big end. The fuel injection, header diameter, and air filter among other things will effectively mute a lot of what is going on there, but you will still feel the difference. In no way was I, at this point, introducing these heads into a "system" that they were designed for. The stageIII head is intended for a volume breathing high rev race motor getting the fuel it needs. It took upstream and downstream manipulations to bear the fruit on my loins. it's a signigficant investment to be sure, is it worth it? well, look at it this way...you're going to pay to get this done correctly. chances are slim (to none) that you get it right yourself, if you do I seriously doubt you'll stop there. meaning your naxt step is going to cost you $. If you don't get it right...$550 for heads isn't so bad is it? to be back where you started? Maybe you find someone who has found the magic potion or gets lucky also, you think this is gonna be free? The cheapest I've heard of someone "reputable" doing XL motor heads is about $300 a piece (I wouldn't let any one of them touch a set of XB heads). so where were we? $600 and possibly $550 for a new set to get back to where you started. I seriously doubt you'll stop there, meaning your naxt step is going to cost you $$. Or you pay a little extra for the expert with the mojo, world records, dyno sheets, and all these satisfied customers (peruse the names of people posting) and get exactly what you asked for without any of the risks. By no means is Nallin's RACING HEAD SERVICES the only one out there that can help you, but I challenge you to find someone dissatisfied with their results. Neither Aaron or Brian will chime in and toot there own horns, but there customer's will! You get what you pay for. as I'm sure Cycle-rama's, Tilley's, Hals, would also. my experience being with Nallin and company. I bought a Brand spankin' new set of heads for Brian to work over. When he sent them to me (promptly) I spent quite a bit of time studying the differences in the heads that I took off the bike and Nallin's, I wanted to know what it was that was so magical and expensive that was different(like anyone would). I could tell you what I saw, and relate to you what Brian told me while I was in his shop for two days, but you gotta understand it's called proprietary info, this is how they make their living. If everyone else was doing it so well, they would be charging as much, or he wouldn't be! I'll tell you this.... A lot of hours are spent, by hand, finessing these heads, The finest components go into these heads, a ginormous amount of dyno time has been spent developing these heads. They work! anyways I seriously doubt you'll stop there, meaning your next step is going to cost you $$$. get used to it. I'm laughing just thinking about it.....really whose advice on technique for porting XB heads are you going to consider....those charging for there service (duh) or some snot nosed 14 year old sitting at his mom's computer sounding smart. I have a buddy who has since taken possession of my beloved Latus can. He has not done anything else to his XB. no filter, no ECM, and he swears the pipe change alone is perfect.... I on the other hand wanted something more, something bad, something scary, something Buell..... I did the research, asked the questions and talked to people who have first hand knowledge of what I was wanting to do(much like what you are doing here) I realized what I wanted, was going to be expensive, but manageable if taken in steps, the Heads being the most expensive is what I did first. Nallin's will work out terms with you. Those guys are pimps and prove it day in and out, through some of us on the track and some of us on the street (salt flat WORLD records to boot). I have since had the cases bored, intake manifold bored, 1200cc pistons and cylinders installed, my PCIII mapped, a system specific exhaust designed.......all by NALLINS. on top of that many of this thread's posting entities have done this and more.....find me someone dissatisfied with their work. As for the Exhaust.....It fucking works too! The bike is a scary MotherFather when harmony is achieved. As Aaron posted earlier performance is limited by your most restrictive part....and when that part isn't the restriction something else will be. I'm patiently waiting for someone to figure out how to fuel this motor at 88" cause I can't wait to throw a 12 crank in it. Oh, and those underpriced genius' at Nallins will get that work too! my advice to you if you're trying to cut costs......spend the cash on a stageI head job. and budget a lot more for progressively better components to surround them with. have the rest of the headwork done later when the Stage I setup is holding you back. out. | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
Sean & Brion, Me thinks that you misconstrue. Many of us here on the BadWeb do have a personal bias towards Nallin Racing I being one of those. My personal reasons (and I believe several others) are based on personal business dealings with the proprietors of that business. These two gentlemen have helped me achieve a personal goal. They gave advise freely, performed quality work while standing fully behind that said work. And showed a passion for the work that they were doing on my bike, they truely made me feel that they took the work that they were doing very personally. Having said that, I have dealt with Zipper's who also treated me quite professionaly, also with Axtell's who did some very fine work for me as well. I've heard nothing but good things about Wes and Pammy at CycleRama and always enjoy ready Pammy's posts. Its a big ol' world and variety is is the spice of life. One company is not the proper answer as all of them have expertise to bring to the table. As for Nallin Racing taking over the BadWeb, I don't think so. I think what has happened is that they have treated many folks extremely well and thus have gained a loyal following. I for one welcome all thoughts and advice as this creates more knowledge in which I would base my opinions. Ray | ||
| Oconnor |
Hey shazam, Just got an email from electromotive. Apparently dose fuel management in el cajon Ca might have a jump on a fully programmable ignition and fuel system. I am trying to dig their phone number up... | ||
| Kaudette |
Any info on porting & polish of the xb12 heads? I'm assuming there is a bit of R&D to do but as a whole it should be straight forward and at the same price as the XB9 heads. ?? Also, can the shops refine the porting to other pipes (as Nallin seems to have done for the Force pipe)? Maybe the "Drummer"? I like the power of the Force however can't run it legally so it's no use to me (too loud). What is involved in doing this? I sold the 9 because I wanted more torque, now I have a 12 but want the wallop the 9 (with race kit) had around 5G... Arghhhhh! | ||
| Tedk |
Kaudette, The XB12 head is the same as the XB9, same price. Get a "drummer" IMHO. Brion, The XB12 header has the same diameter at the collector as an XB9 header. Any pipe that fits the 9 will fit the 12. | ||
| Rd350 |
Brian, I had Nalins do some work on a head a while back. They don't just port and polish which is very easy to do. They put in different values and guides and changed the squish on the chamber. I compaired it to a stock head and the work is night and day. Their work is first rate. And sometimes when you call you can hear them machining in the background. If you are thinking about just porting and polishing I don't think it is worth your time. But you should give it a try. It's your dime. | ||
| Daves |
Another shop to consider would be Hoban Brothers in Osman WI.www.hobanbrothers.com They did my heads for me. Ride to the edge! Dave Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center) | ||
| Daves |
PS, If Rocket thinks that Brian and Aaron have hijacked this board I wonder what he thinks of Bubba and me?  Ride to the edge! Board Hijacker Dave Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center) | ||
| Benm2 |
Try it! I imagine you'd have better luck with your sights a bit lower at first (stage 1 type work) rather than going straight for stage 3 heads, but that's up to you. You can also search around the web for ways to make your own flowbench from a shop-vac. If you're really the industrious type, you can try making port molds with silicone, then casting them out of plaster, then futzing with those to learn a little, "porting" the plaster head with hand files to learn profiles. (with the flowbench)You'd have to "install" valves also. No matter what anyone says, head flow is (and will always be) science. Getting access to that information requires research & time. Getting it from someone else requires money. Good luck! | ||
| Glitch |
It's who is here the most that gets the most exposure. Therefore I suggest that all sponsors that post regularly get the most business from the BadWeB. It's not a conspiracy, it's just good business. | ||
| Cj_xb |
If Rocket thinks that Brian and Aaron have hijacked this board I wonder what he thinks of Bubba and me? Surely like the rest of us he thinks you guys are the "Best of the Bestest" !! It's not a conspiracy, it's just good business. How practical and intelligent that thought process is !! CJ  | ||
| Glitch |
 It's not every day someone says I'm practical, and intelligent! | ||
| Aaron |
Okay, now you went and got my curiousity up ... Here's some post figures for the last 30 days: ~7500 total posts (extrapolated from 2500 in the last 10 days) 29 posts for me (0.38%) 71 posts for Rocketman (.93%) 152 posts for DaveS (2.0%) 316 posts for Buckinfubba (4.2%) Yeah, Rocket's right, I hijacked the board  Did it when y'all weren't looking, hah! | ||
| Al_lighton |
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| Rocketman |
Aaron my comment was with regard to the way in which you sometimes question others openly to the point of attempting to ridicule them in public if they appear to conflict with your business interests. And just to clarify what I mean by that I was gonna quote your post to Brion - but you deleted it didn't ya which kinda substantiates my point don't it. Tell you what though - it's none of my business. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Ray I missed you too and at this rate I probably won't get an invite next year either <grin> unless of course I'm judged by my social skills. How's your Pop? Wish him well when you remember me to him. Rocket | ||
| Henrik |
Rocket wrote: unless of course I'm judged by my social skill Rocket; should you *ever* get "judged" by your social skills I envision something involving Tower, rope, wild horses, sharp implements of dissection and a spike  Henrik (and a Happy Thanksgiving to all} | ||
| Aaron |
Well, Rocket, I have to admit, you are certainly an expert on impoliteness and discourtesy, so if you say I was, I musta been For the record, I realized (amazingly without your help) from Brion's reaction that my posts didn't come out sounding as intended. I was really just trying to get him to think about the question he was asking because I felt (and still feel) it was the wrong question. But I ain't any good at the tone and inflection thing and it seemed from his reaction that I must've missed. So I pulled the posts as a courtesy to him and offered up an offline apology. All without your guidance . But thanks for the thought. Tell you what, with respect to the invitation for next year, what say we take a private poll amongst the others whether or not they want you here? | ||
| Jim_witt |
Aaron wrote: If you have a 10 foot piece of 1/2" pipe, and you replace a 3 foot section of it out in the middle with a some 1" pipe, and you apply the same pressure, how much does the flow change? Aaron, I've been thinking about the above for a couple of days now (off and on). I understand what a anti-reversion chamber is supposed to do but I'm not sure what you were driving at (need more information). -JW:> | ||
| Rocketman |
Aaron I've never doubted your skills as a mechanic or a writer and your posts above confirm those skills and the way in which you can manipulate a situation so's you always come out on top. Don't you ever think you might be wrong? Perhaps you sent Brion a private apology (and deleted your post) because his reply to your question blew you away! As for Tell you what, with respect to the invitation for next year, what say we take a private poll amongst the others whether or not they want you here? I'm all for it but hell man let's do it here on Badweb. One thing I'm certain of - I might not be called upon for my engineering skills but personality wise whoo ha. Now that might work for me so POLL AWAY. Incidentally who are you referring to as the others? One more thing - I've never used my moderator privileges for my own gain - have you? Rocket | ||
| Pammy |
Aaron wrote: "Tell you what, with respect to the invitation for next year, what say we take a private poll amongst the others whether or not they want you here?" That was absolutely the lowest, and most condescending remark I have ever read on this board. Also, if I am one of the 'others' then I welcome Rocket with open arms and open mind. | ||
| Pammy |
I won't discard anyone with whom I have had friendship, simply because we don't see everything through the same eyes. | ||
| Kaudette |
BTW - were'nt we supposed to be talking about headwork for the XB? If any is still interested in the topic, I have a few questions for the 12 heads - even though they are the same as the 9 heads (?) shouldn't porting and polish include bigger valves to make up for the larger throttle body and exhaust headers? Any thought on this? How closely would exhaust need to be mapped ( is this something that could be bought off the shelf or would in-shop "tuning" be required?) | ||
| Court |
>>>I'm all for it but hell man let's do it here on Badweb. Actually, that's probably a poor idea and disrespectful; akin to taking a crap in the middle of a crowd at Disneyland. A perfectly normal, legitimate and necessary function made improper only by venue. You claim wisdom and to be a grown up....I suggest, friend, you seize this moment to prove both simultaneously lest 32 folks, each with 17% of the facts, wrangle in vain to resolve what is essentially a matter of opinion. I, as neither wise nor grown up, offer that as my sole suggestion. Court (proud survivor of 18+ years of Buell squabbles including a dandy with some Brits in 1995 when they tried to use the name Buell American Motorcycle Co....I live for this stuff~!) | ||
| Aaron |
Pammy, how is it condescending for me to consider the happiness of all of my guests? Do you think I should invite him again even if it means others won't come? By the way, how do you feel about the way he acted? You must know all the details, otherwise you wouldn't be passing judgement on my statement, right? Rocket, you sure have a burr on your butt for some reason. Care to share with me what it is? Or would you rather just keep reaching for some reason to attack me? FYI ... "the others" was in reference to the others who stayed here last year. I was half expecting to wake up one morning and find you swinging from the tree outside. I was simply pointing out the irony of your newfound role as the politeness police. edited by Aaron on November 27, 2003 | ||
| Blake |
Gee, Rocket was very nice to me, even invited me to share his bed.  Wait, can I change my vote? "> Ego, can be a terrible thing. I think some of us on this board are blessed with an overabundance (understatement of the decade). Today is Thanksgiving Day. I'm sure thankful for each and every one of the people I've gotten to know both on this board and in person. Rocket, Pammy, and Aaron, are but a few of the very special people I count myself priviledged, even blessed, and certainly lucky to call "friend." Now it seems we may be getting to know each other well enough to notice a few warts here and there. I certainly have mine. I count the preponderance of the contributions and camaraderie and just plain good times and it so far outweighs any of the personality flaws now becoming evident that it ain't even a contest. I love all of ya and am very thankful for you all. Actually, I haven't noticed any warts on Henrik, or Peter yet.  "> BTW, for purposes of clarification... Anyone is free to delete their own post within two hours of its initial posting. I would suggest though, due to the perception factor that we refrain from that and instead edit the post instead with an appropriate explanation/recantation/revision. Happy Thanksgiving to all. What are you thankful for?  Blake edited by blake on November 27, 2003 |
