| Author | Message | ||
     Moosestang |
I tried Walmart, I tried Autozone. I guess I'm going to have to order it online, which sucks. Is everyone buying their oil online? I only tried 1 walmart and all they had was 15w50. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
The Mobil 1 15W50 will work fine. While you are at Wally World, you might want to think about picking up some SuperTech 4967 Oil filters which are pretty much the same as the Buell OEM filter, as both are made by Champion. About two bucks each. For added savings, look at the oil in the big jugs. | ||
| Moosestang |
I have that filter number written down. I looked for the motorcraft filter for the buell, but they didn't have it. I guess i'll try the 15w50. I don't want to have to ship oil. Mostly because I don't want to put yet another charge on my credit card. (Message edited by moosestang on August 10, 2008) | ||
| Damnut |
XB Oil filters These will all fit: ACDelco # UPF1233 Amsoil SDF10 (EA009(?)) Bosch # 3311 Car Quest 85394 Champion # C138 Fram # PH4967 HD # 63806-004 or 00y? K&N # hp-1003, KN-177 Mighty # m4477 Napa # 1394 Mobil 1 # M1-103 Motorcraft # FL836 Penzoil # pz39 Purolator # L14476 STP # S4967 Valvoline # vo40 Wal-Mart Super Tech # ST4967 Wix # 51394 Union Sangyo[OEM Toyota Mfg]#C-170 Scotts Performance Billet Oil Filter | ||
| Moosestang |
thanks Damnut, I now have most of those written down. I wanted to get motorcraft because that's what I use for my mustang, but I may have to settle for the walmart or purolator. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Moosestang- Get your Autozone store to see if any of their other stores have it, or see if they'll get it for you. The store closest to me stocks it, but 2 or 3 times I've been and they've been out, and of course they've been sure that they'll ever have any more of it. Last time I got them to check and the store across town had like 10 cases in stock. | ||
| Ironhead1977 |
I am curious do all those filters have the same relief valve pressure. What is Buells spec pressure anyway? | ||
| Moosestang |
Ironhead, read this, you can scroll down to the pressure relief valve section if you want. While I wouldn't say this is a non concern, I would say it's a very low concern if you change your oil filter often. http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html Does anyone know the number for the pure one oil filter that works on the buell? Never mind, it's PL14476, duh! (Message edited by moosestang on August 10, 2008) | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
I buy my M1 20-50 at AutoZone, maybe your's is out of stock. | ||
| Moosestang |
I will stop in there tomorrow and see if they can order me some. | ||
| Mbohmann |
I use Schaeffer's synthetic in my diesels and the ol' lady's Blazer. They make a 20/50 or 20/40 oil for the V-twins. All excellent products. There are distributors all over but it's not a MTM like Amsoil. Probably about the same prices as Mobil. | ||
| Buelldualsport |
NAPA $7.00 a quart | ||
| Fmaxwell |
I should know better... Oh well, here goes: You want the Mobil 1 V-Twin, not Mobil 1 car oil. From Mobil's web site, the motorcycle oils have "additive packages balanced differently for motorcycle engine and transmission operation. For passenger vehicles, fuel economy and emission system protection are higher priorities. These require low phosphorus systems and the use of friction modifiers. Motorcycle oils do not require friction modifiers for fuel economy and for better clutch friction less/no friction modifier is optimum. Motorcycle oils allow the use of higher levels of antiwear additives such as ZDDP (phosphorous)." I know that you'll get lots of people saying that they've successfully run car oil in their motorcycles, but it's still a bad idea -- especially in an air-cooled engine or in the transmission of your engine. You're not trying to protect a catalytic converter, so there's no reason to cut back on valuable, protective additives like zinc dithiophosphate (ZDDP). | ||
| Id073897 |
Look for JASO MA certifiction. Covers the clutch problem. With a Buell JASO MB would work fine also. Regards, Gunter | ||
| Sloppy |
The only time you NEED to use Motorcycle oil is IF the manufacturer says to use a JASO oil. To my understanding, Buell air-cooled engines require API "C" oils, and NOT a JASO oil. Using Mobil1 15-50 is the correct choice for the vehicle. The controversy of car vs. motorcycle oils hit the public when energy conserving oils were brought to market - but energy conserving oil formulations only apply to low vis. formulas -- so for XL / XB engines they really don't apply. To make this as easy as possible, just follow the API "C" and vis. recomendations from the owners manual. There, isn't that simple... | ||
| Id073897 |
Do as you like - it's your bike. Regards, Gunter | ||
| Sloppy |
Yea, made by thousands of hours of trained engineers, tribologists and factory specialists with decades of experience -- so I'll follow what the factory recommends versus joining "the oil rumor club". API "C" oil it is. If Buell's new engines says to use JASO oils (perhaps the new WC does?), then we'll swith to them. In the mean time, I'll listen to the designers and tribologists that built the bike. | ||
| Azxb9r |
Autozone keeps the Mobil 1 V-twin 20W50 on a different shelf than the normal motor oil. The first time I looked for it, I missed it. | ||
| Id073897 |
Yea, made by thousands of hours of trained engineers, tribologists and factory specialists with decades of experience -- so I'll follow what the factory recommends versus joining "the oil rumor club". Ooh. I see, there's a tribology expert speaking. Did you ever have a look, what JASO specs mean? And how they interact with API and ACEA specifications? No. I'm sure, you never did. Your'e just parroting some oil industries marketing babble. Do as you like - it's your bike. Regards, Gunter | ||
| Cyclonedon |
where I live, Autozone has Mobil 20-50 oil, but you have to ask for it because they keep it in the back and not out on the sales floor. | ||
| Sloppy |
Yes, I'm quite familiar with JASO and API as well as the marketing babble of "don't use car engine oil in a motorcycle engine"; like the oil knows what kind of vehicle it's installed in??? The question is what did the engineer design for lubrication requirements on the engine, not what kind of vehicle it's installed in! Look, take a chill pill, and just follow the manufacturers direction. It's really that simple. If anyone wants to see exactly what additives are in these "JASO M" and "API" oils, then go have a look at MCNews articles that ran a full additive spectrum. I think most of you would be surprised at these supposedly motorcycle specific additive formulas... When Buell builds an engine that says "use JASO M oil", then use it, but there's a reason they say "use API "C" oils". "C" oils carry higher detergent packages to deal with the greater blow by that air cooled engines have as they have greater clearance requirements than water cooled engines. Hence you'll also note the higher vis requirements as compared to other "Japanese" manufacturers. Let's also remember that Japanese don't use roller bearings in their 4 stroke engines which require 10 to 100 times LESS oil film than plain bearings like what the Japanese typically use. Also, Japanese use a SHARED engine / tranny and hence the designer likely has different lubrication standards than a SEPERATED engine / tranny design like what the XL and XB's run Will your engine work worse if you run a JASO oil; well, as long as you have the correct amount of "C" detergent properties and vis requirements it will work just as well. But if you can get all the protection you need from Mobil1 API "C" oil, then why waste money (and time) getting oil that won't provide any better protection for a Buell XL / XB engine. Perhaps when Buell builds their engines in Japan they'll recommend a JASO oil...  Relax dude, we're here to share knowledge, not slam. If you want to use JASO oils, then fine, that's cool. But to say JASO oil is a superior oil to non-JASO oil in an XL / XB engine is incorrect. Let's make it soooo simple: Follow the manufacturers guidelines. Err at your own risk, like what many did when they ran GL-4 gear oil in the transmission... | ||
| Id073897 |
I didn't mention any use as engine oil nor any superiority, but that a JASO certification shows the oil has been checked for wet clutch compatibility. I don't see any problem with that. Sorry, if you do. Regards, Gunter | ||
| Damnut |
I find that plain tap water is a good replacement for engine oil. These oil companies have been pulling the wool over your eyes for years!!!!! Suckers!!! | ||
| Packrat |
Stayed tuned for the next exciting episode when we'll hear Dilbert McEgghead ask the question "Oh yeah? Well why wouldn't distilled water be better?? " | ||
| Sloppy |
Actually, distilled water is corrosive so it will destroy metal parts in quick time, but it won't leave any deposits. I find that a heafty load of Tide and Clorox is a great way to keep the engine clean -- and prevents that unsightly ring around the bore... not sure how it will work in a wet clutch system though.  | ||
| Moosestang |
Well I found it at Advanced discount auto parts. It was $8.98 per quart!  I went in there just to look for a pure one oil filters (Someone tell me why they make a performance oil filter for a 1999 toyota corolla?). They had the right oil filter. I was checking out and the girl asked if I found everything I was looking for. I told her I was looking for some engine oil for a motorcycle and voila! She led me right to it. | ||
| Arctic_firebolt |
I went with SYN3 because the 1K service is mandatory for the warranty but I plan to take over from there. HD also claims that Syn3 is the ONLY synthetic oil certified by HD, even though they sell AMS oil in the store.  As I am doing my 10K on my Softail I have found several mistakes leaving me UNIMPRESSED with factory service to say the least. My 2003 Softail manual actually states that I have to use HD oil and that all others are for emergency use only. Puuuuullllleeeeaaassseee already. I did use V-Twin Mobil 1 in the primary and transmission as well. I would love to see the test results showing the difference between 20W50 and 15W50 other than the colder starting flow point. Talk about making dozens of products from one.  BTW Wal-Mart keeps the V-Twin Mobil 1 20W50 away from the car oil. usually over by the oil/fuel additives. Some stores have motorcycle helmets and you will find a very small section of bike stuff. | ||
| Jlnance |
HD also claims that Syn3 is the ONLY synthetic oil certified by HD, even though they sell AMS oil in the store. That actually makes sense. HD only certifies Syn3. Of course they only tested Syn3. The dealer is not owned by HD. They can sell what they want. | ||
| Arctic_firebolt |
True but do the auto dealers sell products that their manufacturer does not recommend? They may not be owned by HD but they are a franchise. Apparently, what aftermarket products they sell are up to them. I also, read that Syn3 is made up of 3 different synthetic oils. I just have to ask if I bought the AMS, had them put it in during a service interval, would tell me that any oil related engine problems would not be covered under warranty because I did not use Syn3 or HD-360? I think we all know it would NEVER happen. Which takes us back to what Sloppy said. If it meets the API rating and is the correct viscosity for the temperature...it's a done deal. | ||
| Jlnance |
I just have to ask if I bought the AMS, had them put it in during a service interval, would tell me that any oil related engine problems would not be covered under warranty because I did not use Syn3 or HD-360? Legally they are allowed to do this if (and only if) the problem was caused because you used a different oil. Of course if they say it was and you say it wasn't, then it ends up in court, and that is likely to cost more to resolve there than your bike is worth. |
