| Author | Message | ||
     05mxdiesel |
A little observation on my 06 from yesterday. Started with a full tank and ended up doing 176 miles of all highway riding, which I absolutly hate but had to do because of a time restraint. Anyways I produced my highest mileage to date on my 06 uly with 14k on it. 56.6 mpg. Not bragging but some people said on another thread about keeping the motor in its torque range, around 4k rpms. I maintained 75-80 which is around 4k throughout the trip and was worried about fuel range but when I returned to fill up, I only needed 3.09 gallons. I also notice riding two up always tended to show higher mileage as well. | ||
| Werewulf |
i have two pals that have 06 models...they were commenting on how much further down the length of the pipe, that the bluing goes on my 08...it appears that my pipes are getting hotter..for what its worth.. | ||
| Spacecapsule1 |
yeah mine are the same.... almost half-way down the pipes they're blue.... looks kinda cool though. | ||
| Arctic_firebolt |
ok 05mxdiesel. You're killing me! LOL! 56.6!!! I swear i won't ever complain again if i get that.  2 up show higher mileage?  Well. at least you confirm yet again that the '06 crowd enjoys mileage and performance bliss. Cool. john | ||
| Arctic_firebolt |
Hmmmmm good point on the Blue-ing. Mine are 1/3 of the way and continuing toward the final bend toward the muffler. However, hotter should mean leaner. Or so I thought. john | ||
| Rkutzner |
Header wrap looks great on the Buell...use the 1", get 50' and overlap a lot. I did mine on the bike, do down to the junction on one pipe and then overlap all that as you do the next pipe. 53mpg daily, best tank was 61mpg on a ride that had few stops and 40-50mph curvy back roads. I don't usually go more than 10 over the speed limit, but I keep the same speed in the turns with the lower speed 'suggestions'...you know....those yellow signs ! That's an 07 XB12STT.... | ||
| Cityxslicker |
37-39.5 consistently. Whether I am pegged on the street or wfo on the dirt. Running the XB9SX with a race pipe and ecm. I didnt buy it for gas milage, but it beats my truck (12!). | ||
| Arctic_firebolt |
Hey Cityxslicker. Are those Pelican cases on your bike? Cool! As a Field Engineer I use those cases for everything. Never thought I could mount them. Those would carry some equipment.  john | ||
| Eldredma |
I hate to get us back on topic, but I called the factory a week ago Friday. The lady that answered gave me a customer service number for H-D/Buell, so I called them. After 25 mins. on hold, I finally got a very nice woman who took my story and said she would talk to the buell engineer who was "literally 100' away". The Buell guy was MIA, so she took down all my contact info. and said she'd call me back. Monday: she called me back, very apologetically and told me that the engineer said that THERE IS NO REFLASH FOR THE '08 1203CC BIKES and he blamed it on NY "having poor gas" and you should never "believe EPA mileages" because they are done under perfect conditions. They said there was nothing I/they could/would do and apologized. To recap a previous post: ethanol is 2/3 as efficient as gasoline; the gas in the US is limited to 10% ethanol max, so therefore it is 96% as efficient at minimum... therefore... with a bike getting 50mpg you would get 48mpg... something you could never chalk up to fuel and not conditions... look it up, its all facts. Don't bash ethanol, it could save the US.. that's a fact as well. I got my new Fuell this past week. There's a quote from Eric in there talking about how they aren't happy if their riders aren't happy, so starting this week I am going to become the most unhappy rider they've ever met... Also: just to sum all of us '08 owners up: 2 Uly owners below 40 9 Lightning owners below 40 5 Firebolts below 40... 16 total from all across North America... even Milwaukee, haha. | ||
| Werewulf |
if they dont care if my bike stalls and surges, i doubt they care what my mileage is.. | ||
| Caperken |
My 2008 XB12Ss now has 670 miles: 1st tank (2.9 gal US) --> 32mpg (US) 4th tank (2.1 gal) --> 41mpg 8th tank (2.9 gal) --> 46mpg Now I'm looking to 50mpg! Most of my riding is twisties in the mountains, passes and canyons of Cape Breton. I rarely get into 5th gear and keep the revs over 3500rpm most of the time. My dealer found a new 2008 ECM map and flashed my chip before I picked it up new. Fueling and electrics have been flawless since new. The two sales reps (one a former tech), service manager and chief tech all ride Buells (Privateers HD/Buell in Halifax, NS). | ||
| Arctic_firebolt |
Ok Eldredma count me in! I am NOT tired of this topic and I refuse to settle.  I got the same speech almost verbatim from my dealership and another I have called. I am EXTREMELY unhappy with the results I am seeing. For me MPH was one of 2 deciding factors over a speed triple. We can start with a letter to Buell and Cc: the EPA folks. If this were legal ever car manufacturer would be raising the numbers on their stickers to pull sales as well. And the part about perfect conditions is BS!!!!! Our 2 cars get within 3 MPG of the sticker under normal driving conditions. If I ride my Buell any slower I might as well be pedaling a bicycle. Something is wrong and they are way off the advertised mark. If anyone else is interested we can send a group petition. Not having done this before it will take some time. Caperken, any specifics you can find out about the flash could really be helpful! John  (Message edited by arctic_firebolt on July 23, 2008) | ||
| Xbgeorge |
I'm in. My 08 XB12R, 4,100 miles, always gets 39-41 mpg. How I drive doesn't seem to matter at all. On a recent 1100 mile round trip, I averaged 40.2mpg. I have had it reflashed(mpg went from 33 to 41). That smoothed out the cough for 400 miles, then it returned. It still has a bad flat spot at 4200 rpm, then it kicks in the power above 4500. | ||
| Davidoforlando |
Well... my '08 XB12R. got ... 97 miles on a full tank. Some sport riding , but not alot really. 2200 miles on the bike. not a happy camper, BUT I know there is an EMC flash. my local Stealership confirmed it. now just need to go there and wait, wait, wait.... | ||
| Xbgeorge |
David, That is what I was getting, before the reflash. Post reflash 115-120 before the light comes on. | ||
| Jedambrose |
Well I was hoping my MPG would get better but it seems to be getting a little worse. My last three tanks have been 34.73mpg, 32.99mpg, 32.35mpg Don't get me wrong I love the bike, but come on that is not even close to what I was told I would get. As lame as it sounds I am going to try a couple of tanks with almost all freeway to see what it does. | ||
| Voofighters |
im continuing to track my mileage as well.. I have an 08 XB12scg and for the last 4 gas pumps, i've been averaging 39-41 mpgs. There's about 1500 miles on the bike so far and its' definitely gone up from the 36 mpg i was initially seeing. Im still watching and holding my breath that it'll mirror the behavior of some of the other posters and improve as I accumulate more mileage.. | ||
| Werewulf |
maybe this would help.. http://www.daytona-twintec.com/download/Twin_Tuner _Instructions.pdf | ||
| Caperken |
Arctic -- I have no tech specifics on the flash; just that it worked. You could have your dealer call the service mgr at Privateers HD/Buell in Halifax (902-444-4647 ext 109). | ||
| Jumpinjewels |
Me and my hubby just got back from a 1765 mile trip thru Colo and we were getting between 60-65mpg. This is after Dan had done some tweeking with the ECM spyware. The bikes ran great!!! My bike has almost 13,500 miles and Dan has just over 11,000 on his 07 STT. | ||
| Arctic_firebolt |
Thanks Caperken. I could suggest it but i am sure the dealership here would laugh at the idea that they needed to call another dealer for technical info. Either way you still supplied us with additional information that may be helpful in the long run. It appears Jumpinjewels and the hubby both have 2007 models. Is that right? The overwhelming majority of '06 and '07 owners experience really good to great MPG. I didn't get a chance to try again with the dealer this week but I will next. If not I will begin to put together a letter and anyone interested can join in. | ||
| Arctic_firebolt |
Hey werewulf thanx for the link and PDF. Being an engineer myself it all looks reasonable to me after a quick scan of the info. However, not been a motorcycle mechanic I will have to admit I would be hesitant unless I knew more. Since I have never tuned an engine's fuel management system I am concerned I could possibly do more harm than good. I will however look into this too as a possible solution. Thank you! | ||
| Ironhead1977 |
Buell coolaid for sale. Cools you off on a hot summer day. | ||
| Eicas |
My '08 XB12Ss mileage jumps around a lot. With about 2,000 miles on the bike it fluctuates between the mid 40's up to a one time max of 51. About 75% freeway travel at 3,500 rpm most of the time, (commuting), with each ride averaging around 40 miles. I am a "conservative" old rider. I have noticed that I seem to get a better mpg on warm days than cool ones, that to me indicates that the mixture is on the lean side and fattens up as the air thins up because of the higher temperature. That could explain why some bikes get better mpg when ridden hard, - higher induction temp fattens up the mixture a bit. Now just try to explain that one to the cops! | ||
| Jumpinjewels |
Yes, both our bikes are 2007's. At one time my low fuel light would come on at about 130 miles or so. The only time it came on on our trip it was at 175 miles. We did some aggressive and some not so aggressive riding. Lots of uphill pulls. We were quite impressed with the mileage. Dan likes to keep playing with the computer settings, as a matter of fact, he's out in the garage as I type, working on the bikes. | ||
| Arctic_firebolt |
Can we borrow Dan? LOL! I know there are some differences on the 2008 models but we are really getting beat up here. My light comes on religiously by 105 - 115. I am totally new to Buell and sport bikes. Thanx! | ||
| Thepod |
I got 40 today, that's the best I've done so far. All highway riding with 80 degree heat. Sheesh! Not bad, but not great either. I wouldn't complain if it were in the 50s. By the way, if any of you live near Portland, be sure to take the Columbia River Gorge historic highway. Beautiful! | ||
| Eldredma |
I'd be glad to put my name to a letter or petition John. I called Customer Service a couple more times in order to be as annoying as possible. I tried a new tactic by saying I thought the mpg was actually a symptom of the ECM causing the bike to run rich (which I believe to be the truth) and wound up getting a guy there named, haha, John, who says he is also a test driver for Buells and V-Rods. After convincing him that I'm 5'8", 135lbs, my tire pressure is at spec, I run 93 octane, and I ride alone, he admitted that he thought the EPA mileages had been "overly optimistic" and stroked a bit. He said that during his test rides (where he "tries to break them") he routinely sees low 30s on 08s and never anything higher, so he was not surprised with my/our numbers. Kind of makes you sick when you're lied to, huh? He also added that if the mix was rich the check engine light would have come on and a code would have been recorded, which it hasn't. If the ECM and other electronics are programmed to run rich however, would the computer know there was anything wrong if it was? | ||
| Darthane |
The best I've done on my XT was ~48MPG on the way out to Wisconsin for Homecoming, with all the bags on and full. Since then, however, it's been steadily dropping. My last few tanks have only been ~41MPG, and this is without the bags and solo riding. Most of my riding is commuting to and from work a whopping 9 miles each way, 8 of which is highway. It's fairly depressing, since my 2003 XB9R will get 50+ all day long no matter how hard I run it. ...still having no luck convincing the bonehead dealership that yes, there is indeed a new ECM flash for the '08 XB12s. I'm getting very annoyed with them. | ||
| Spacecapsule1 |
............08 owners unite! I'm in. Darth, all your bonehead dealership has to do is hook the bike up to the digital technician. |
