| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
>>>why would Buell ever build a water-cooled bike that wasn't the world's greatest? That makes me want to start saving....unfortnately an XB will likely first wipe out any accumulation I amass. | ||
| Dynarider |
Anon, you keep bringing up the weight deal. For most of us here 50 or so extra pounds isnt going to matter if we get that kinda hp. Also the revolution motor can be hopped up to some ridiculous levels. Harley has a couple v-rod mules that are pushing 160hp. I say the weight isnt that big of a deal because if you attend any Buell function take a look at the owners. Not a whole lot of them are young 150lb individuals. Quite a few of us are 40-50 years old & have a few pounds under our belts that we could afford to lose but just dont feel like it. Now im not saying everyone is like that but quite a few are. If we were truly interested in getting the most possible hp per weight number out of our buells we would all be on some sort of diet & exercise regime. Im going to use the wet weight numbers listed in the current issue of sportrider magazine for example. They have the XB12R at 461 lbs wet. The Honda RC51 is 483 lbs wet. Take the XB with the revo motor, add a few lightening tricks that Erik is famous for & apply em to that motor & you would have a bike that weighs right around what the RC does..maybe 10lbs more..big deal. The RC is putting down 123rwhp & the revo is certainly capable of that. The numbers between the bikes are comparable & if done correctly the XB would be able to tangle with one of the best water cooled v-twin sportbike out there...the RC51. Want your revo powered XB to be a little faster? Drop the extra double cheeseburger & start doing some pushups  | ||
| Dynarider |
Oh, BTW, a Twin Cam weight 230 lbs complete... Im assuming thats with trans & primary. Now how much does the present XB12 motor weigh with the same components? | ||
| Whodom |
One thing that hasn't been mentioned about the Revolution engine- it has internal balance shafts, which must be fairly heavy. Since the XB chassis is set up for rubber mounting, the balance shafts and drive gearing could be left out for a significant weight reduction. | ||
| Steve_a |
current XB12R engine complete (no exhaust) = 185 pounds V-Rod engine without radiators & water =205 pounds, probably + 15-20 pounds with cooling system total weight difference, about 35 pounds Also, the V-Rod engine doesn't come close to fitting into a bike the size of the XB, and it's a lot easier to take additional weight off the current XB engine than the V-Rod. Also, the Anon posting mentioning a $16,000 price for a V-Rod powered XB should tell you something about the relative costs of the two engines. | ||
| Dynarider |
current XB12R engine complete (no exhaust) = 185 pounds V-Rod engine without radiators & water =205 pounds, probably + 15-20 pounds with cooling system total weight difference, about 35 pounds I would trade 35lbs for the hp increase in a heartbeat. As far as the $16,000 price anon gave, I wonder if he pulled that out of thin air or if it has actually been priced out? Considering the frame & other stuff on the V-rod I would actually guess the revo powered XB coming in around $14,000. | ||
| Anonymous |
No, Dyna, I am not pulling numbers out of thin air. I actually know. The bike has to get significantly bigger to package the V-Rod...bigger means heavier. Heavier then means more weight, because bigger brakes and suspension springs need to be fitted. The gift that keeps on giving. All this hoopla about how easy it is to get more power out of a V-Rod is just that...H-D has gotten all they can at the moment and still meet noise/emissions. Trust me, the package isn't going to happen, any more than there is going to be a Twin Cam Buell. Enjoy the XB12, it's truly a great motorcycle, that came out only two months ago. If there is a future all-new Buell motorcycle, it's not going to be for a while, and it's not going to be V-Rod powered. | ||
| Dynarider |
I agree that the new 12's are a great bike..much better than the 9's in my own opinion. But seeing certain bikes & designs out on the road that are at least possibly being considered gives me great hope that perhaps down the road just a little bit is the supreme kick ass bike that will absolutley blow the wheels off the competition. And it wont be with some new marketing strategy such as "sportfighter", it will be a bare knuckles bar room brawl bike. Thats my hope anyways. | ||
| José_quiñones |
Saro, Page 16 of the latest Motorcyclist has nice close up pictures it. | ||
| José_quiñones |
EXCLUSIVE AUDIO OF THE NEW WATERCOOLED BUELL!!! | ||
| Xben9r |
I am wondering if a touring model was made would it be a XB12T? If it didn't have the same engine would it still be called an XB?  XBen9R | ||
| Southernmarine |
Jose, thanks for the sound clip, awesome sounds!!! Wish my little ole Blast sounded that tough.  | ||
| Dynarider |
All this hoopla about how easy it is to get more power out of a V-Rod is just that...H-D has gotten all they can at the moment and still meet noise/emissions. But get the bikes in the hands of us & you will see the pipes opened up, the intake tract allowed to take a little deeper breath, etc, & you will see the ponies come up. Quite a few V-rods in public hands are pushing some damn good numbers. 1 fella on the v-twin forums is pushing 180rwhp & is just barely missing the 9's in the qtr mile. I know for a fact Harley has at least 2 mules that at this time last year were putting out 140hp & the other was at 160hp...now I know this isnt street legal epa approved BS but what private consumer gives a rats ass about the EPA? 125 or so rwhp out of the revo motor is ez to obtain. Throw it in an XB based chassis...maybe lengthen the whole bike out 2" or so, throw on the dual discs up front that a lot of folks seem to prefer..if for nothing else than either asthetics or for piece of mind & you could sell em for $14-15,000. Even if it takes a Harley badge on the airbox cover to convince the nay sayers, I say build it & they will come. Buell...Dare to be different. I say do what everyone says you guys wont do..prove em wrong. | ||
| Reepicheep |
How is building another RC-51 different? Geesh! If you want an RC51, go buy one already. Or a TL1000. They are great bikes if you want a long heavy water cooled twin. If you want a "more powerful" bike, buy an XB12 and retrofit the XB9 gearing to it. You will be able to loop the bike off the throttle in the first three gears. If you want to spend $17000 on a "fast" motorcycle, buy a $7000 used xb9, forward ship it to Nallin or Cycle Rama, followed by a check for $10000. I promise you will get a faster bike from them then a you would get from a factory XBVrod. | ||
| Coolice |
Just make the VR 1000 and let Erik do some cool design changes (perimeter fronts discs,etc) and it will sell cause all of the discussions keep leading back to it. I was in Daytona the year HD had the VR's at the expo and would have bought one then if the dealers would have accepted the sport rider types( that another can of worms) and I have ALWAYS rode red UNTIL the VB arrived and I bought the first one I could get. I like my XB and am proud to show it and ride it. Besides most other brand owners NEVER ride a machine to its maximum potential. Erik and co keep up the great work I sure enjoyed the tours and times at the 20th!!! Can't wait for the 25th! | ||
| Court |
>>>buy a $7000 used xb9, forward ship it to Nallin or Cycle Rama, followed by a check for $10000. The product that scenario would exceed the abilites of all but 3 on this board. Period. | ||
| Blublak |
LWOLMAO.... (Leaning Way Over, Laughing My Ass Off).. Oh man, Jose.. I love the tough, heavy sound that bike produces.. That's a stock muffler right?.. Man, tears in the eyes.. God, I can't wait for that ride to hit the streets.. Oh man.. going back to reading some other posts before I choke.. uh.. hang on.. gotta play that one more time.. heheheheheheh...  Later. | ||
| José_quiñones |
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| Anonymous |
I am not pulling numbers out of thin air. I actually know. The bike has to get significantly bigger to package the V-Rod...bigger means heavier. Heavier then means more weight, because bigger brakes and suspension springs need to be fitted. The gift that keeps on giving. All this hoopla about how easy it is to get more power out of a V-Rod is just that...H-D has gotten all they can at the moment and still meet noise/emissions. Trust me, the package isn't going to happen, any more than there is going to be a Twin Cam Buell. Enjoy the XB12, it's truly a great motorcycle, that came out only two months ago. If there is a future all-new Buell motorcycle, it's not going to be for a while, and it's not going to be V-Rod powered. If Erik Buell had written these words I'd say Buell had looked at the logistics of a V-rod and Twin Cam powered Buell. Wouldn't want to guess what chassis in though, for sure it never got off the drawing board. Weight and balance are Buells key. | ||
| Dbensavage |
Why can't we just be happy with our new XB12's?? I know I am.  | ||
| Timbo |
Hey! I'm happy with my "old" XB9R!! Timbo  | ||
| Brucelee |
I am with you on this. I love the Buell. Dont want a rocket to ride, I can get that from the Japs. | ||
| Dynarider |
How is building another RC-51 different? Geesh! If you want an RC51, go buy one already. Or a TL1000. They are great bikes if you want a long heavy water cooled twin. And they are not the "american" made bikes that a few of us seek. There is a certain amount of pride with owning either a Harley or a Buell. If you want to spend $17000 on a "fast" motorcycle, buy a $7000 used xb9, forward ship it to Nallin or Cycle Rama, followed by a check for $10000. And I end up with a handgrenade of a bike with "possible" limited life expectancy, & zero warranty not to mention the $10,000 check that I would have to pull out of thin air. Sell me a 125rwhp revo powered XB that I can get with a factory warranty & full financing thru Harley credit or my local bank. What is so wrong with that scenario? Are folks so married to the idea of air cooled 45 degree V-twins that they are unwilling to accept any other drivetrain? Sounds a lot like the Harley clowns who bitched & moaned when the Panhead was replaced by the shovel which in turn was replaced by the Evo & then the TC. Harley now sells both air cooled TC's & the Revo powered V-rod right alongside each other in the shops. Why cant Buell do the same thing??? | ||
| Prof_stack |
Dyna, I'm not sure you'll ever be fully satisfied with what you might end up with. But its fun to read all the banter here. Me? My XB9S 984cc has broken in to become a real smoothie of a motor. I've test ridden the 12's (R and S) and was impressed by the power, but am more than satisfied with my 9. Oh yeah, I won't complain or moan if (or when) Buell changes the motor. Nothing stays the same forever, right? | ||
| Timbo |
Dyna, You crack me up. On one thread you write: >>>And thats my point, the pipe on your XB works great. More hp than your old bike, more hp than any of us actually require.<<< On this thread you write: >>>Sell me a 125rwhp revo powered XB that I can get with a factory warranty<<< So on one thread you say the current 12's have more power than any of us actually require, and on this thread you make it sound as though the current models don't have enough and you want more. If you meant what you said in the other thread about the 12's power, then wouldn't wanting more just amount to poser points for braging rights? Something you seem to put down. Hmmm. Oh...BTW, correct me if I'm wrong, but several months ago, before their release or even acknowledgement, wasn't it you who said if Buell built a 1200cc XB you would be first in line to buy one. Or something to that effect. You were begging Buell to build it. Well, they have, but now it seems that is not enough again, and so on and so on and so on. Oh well Dyna, thanks for the laughs. Timbo | ||
| Timbo |
Also Dyna, I have read of your troubles with the X1 and am sorry that has been as ugly as it has. I know I don't know all the details, but it is a testiment that you stick around. Honestly I would find it great to see you on an XB12 and read about you riding the tires off of it...I know you'd love it. Timbo | ||
| Timbo |
EXCUSIVE SPY PHOTO The next generation Buell has been captured on film and is here for you to see. Some remarkable innovations have been incorporated, most notably the wall-less cylinders that greatly improve cooling (yet another Buell first). Also note the improved body molding with notched knee cutouts for improved aerodynamics. Buell is keenly aware that many of it's buyers take their bikes to the track to enjoy aggressive riding in a safe environment that's why this one will come prepped for the track, complete with racing slicks. Keep your eyes peeled for this beauty, it's sure to turn many a heads in disbelief. Enjoy!  Timbo | ||
| Hootowl |
"What is so wrong with that scenario? Are folks so married to the idea of air cooled 45 degree V-twins that they are unwilling to accept any other drivetrain? Sounds a lot like the Harley clowns who bitched & moaned when the Panhead was replaced by the shovel which in turn was replaced by the Evo & then the TC. Harley now sells both air cooled TC's & the Revo powered V-rod right alongside each other in the shops. Why cant Buell do the same thing???" Man, I'm with you on that one. I am certainly not married to the 45 degree engine. It has some nice power characteristics sure, but so do 90 degree engines. Change is good. It just takes time and money. Jeff | ||
| Dynarider |
Oh...BTW, correct me if I'm wrong, but several months ago, before their release or even acknowledgement, wasn't it you who said if Buell built a 1200cc XB you would be first in line to buy one. Timbo, yes i stated that. I also stated that my X1 saga had to be over before I would commit. Its nearing the end & hopefully just a few months remain. I really dont need 2 bike payments, especially when one is a broken down bike i havent seen in over a year. So on one thread you say the current 12's have more power than any of us actually require, and on this thread you make it sound as though the current models don't have enough and you want more Yes the 12 has enough hp, but too much hp is just about right. However I dont want excess hp at the expense of either a full factory warranty or with decreased reliability. See where I am going with this? A revo powered XB would have enough power for anyone & everyone, have a warranty & would be reliable as an anvil. Just because I tell someone to not screw with a factory exhaust that works great does not mean I am not a hp fan. So far the XB's have been pretty reliable with the exception of a few odd trans issues & some goofy wiring problems but nothing insurmountable. But its going to take a little longer for me to come around to trusting one again. | ||
| Court |
>>>A revo powered XB would have enough power for anyone & everyone, have a warranty & would be reliable as an anvil. But the concomitant weight that arrives WITH that power, including the larger brakes and suspension all of a sudden produce the need for MORE power just to carry the weight. Endless circle, eh? I'd be eager to know the basis of that "anvil" comment. Any ideas of the VROD and XB have fared, with regard to each other, in terms of warranty $$ per unit? Put me down for an XB...just as it stands now. Court |
