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     Boney95 |
I need some more opinions on this matter. Krueger08xb12s Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 07:43 pm: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ I hear talk that there's no ECM's released yet for the '08 XB12S yet. Is this true? I'd like to replace my exhaust, filter, and as a result must also replace my ECM right? I'm sure this is just another question for Al but I'm all ears for other opinions! Boney95 Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 05:37 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ BUMP *I second this question.* I think I know this: If you go with an aftermarket pipe and air filter the bike will run lean, thus you need a race ECM. I know there's a mixed opinion on this subject in regards to running too lean causeing engine damage... Well Im going to play it safe and wait for the Race ECM to come out and then buy the pipe and filter. Am I correct in this thinking? Another thing too. Im assuming that I should wait until after the 1,000 mile service to do these Mods? Edit: Aw F it!! A Drummer and K&N are going on next week. (Message edited by boney95 on May 10, 2008) Evil_twin Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 08:41 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ I've been waiting for this info, too. Bumpitty bump. Rich Paint_shaker Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 10:33 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ There is another thread on here about this... You should be fine without any ECM tuning (I had this confirmed with ECMSpy). Install and ride. As always, there is still a little room for fine tuning though. Spatten1 Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 10:54 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ I don't think Buell makes Race ECMs any more. I think now people get stock ECMs re-flashed (reprogramed) instead. American Sport Bike does it, I believe. The ECM adjusts when the O2 sensor sees lean or rich, and should make changes to the open loop map too. However, DDFI 2 can take a while to adjust, but eventually gets there. You have DDFI 3, which none of us are too familiar with yet. I'd call Al at American sportbike and see if he can reprogram it for you, or if he is up to speed on the new ECMs in general. Spacecapsule1 Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 02:39 pm: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ what's all this "bump" internet lingo mean anyhow? Towjam Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 03:01 pm: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ what's all this "bump" internet lingo mean anyhow? By replying to a thread you "bump" it back up to the top of thread list. Boney95 Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 03:04 pm: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ BUMP= putting the thread back on top of the thread list, #1. Towjam Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 03:22 pm: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Bump! Set! Spike! Vwflat4driver Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 06:13 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ trust me guys its on its way.....give it till june.....seriously Ratbuell Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 09:58 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Buell still makes race ECMs...for 07-earlier bikes. Nothing released *to the public* yet for the 08s.... Thulsadoom Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 10:57 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ I am very interested in this subject as well. Is it me or does that pic make me hungry for some reason? Sheesh! DOOM Wantxbr Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 11:13 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Hey guys I sent an E-Mailed to see when their going to have the TFI for the 08 Buells, this is the response I received. It's a piggy Back Modual but something is better than nothing and they work pretty well. Hey Brett, I just got off the phone with Chris at Dobeck Performance/Techlusion TFI their in the process of making one for your bike it should be ready within a couple of months you can check back with me if you'd like around the end of July and I should know more then.Thank you ! Todd EVERYTHING To Light Up Your Ride! Custom Dynamics LLC 12335-203 Wake Union Church Rd Wake Forest, NC 27587 http://www.customdynamics.com Email: todd@customdynamics.com Phone: 800-382-1388 Phone: 919-554-0949 Fax: 919-882-9611 (Message edited by wantxbr on May 06, 2008) Ratbuell Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 01:20 pm: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ AFAIK Al is also working at a near-fever pitch to get the DirectLink working on the '08s. Evil_twin Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 10:48 pm: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ So, what you're saying is, I am going to have to tune the dammed thing myself? I do not have that kind of confidence in my tuning abilities or my "guy"'s ability either. I was hoping there was going to be some thing that is plug and play. Rich Vwflat4driver Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 10:52 pm: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ i have my bike at jt&s performance in sonoma. its an 08 9sx . theyve taken the ecm out and sent it to techlusion to have the map downloaded and as far as i can tell my 9 is the test mule. i should be picking it up this weekend. i'LL keep you guys informed Buelltroll Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 11:32 pm: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ The TFI's of previous models were uh..... "problematic" to say the least. Watrousmark Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 12:27 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ I suppose that Buell has taken steps to keep ECMSPY out now? Paint_shaker Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 01:46 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ On an 08, you should not need to tune with the mods you want to do. As always, it CAN be tuned to run just a tad better. NO TPS for the 08's. The 08 Buell's are compatable with ECMSpy. Spatten1 Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 05:53 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If TFI is remapping the ECM for you, that sounds interesting. If it is the old TFI box that is made for open loop systems, it seems to constantly go out of tune as the bike changes AFV value to compensate for the box. OR You set the box so the AFV will not change, then the bike can't adjust for altitude or temperature correctly. This was our speculation a few years ago when many of us where using the TFI. (Message edited by spatten1 on May 07, 2008) Vwflat4driver Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 02:18 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ 08 buell xb 12 codes are cracked but 08 9 models arent yet Glitch Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 07:14 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ The TFI's of previous models were uh..... "problematic" to say the least. To say the least. Ftmyersbueller Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 07:35 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ VwFlat said it best. Give it until june/july, and you'll have something plug and play. I have a drummer/open airbox mod on my 08 sx. It runs...alright for the most part with the new mods. Im a big fan of ECM spy, and i've been "tuning" my lady with it for a few weeks now, and have gotten some very nice results with it so far. Its definetly not for the plug and play/ squemish (sp) types, though. For the tinkerers, its "fun". If your interested in ECM spy, head over to buelletinboard.com, and do a search on it. Xopti is THE guru of spy. He'll even remap the thing for you for a price. Somewhere around $180 I think. I'm not trying to advertise the guy or anything, im just giving you another option. Ive never talked with him personally because i'm doing my own. I'd have it no other way but thats just me Steve_mackay Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 11:06 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Give Bud Curtis a call at Hals HD(A sponsor if Badweb), about a Daytona Twin Tec tuner. Similar in concept to the TFI, but far less problematic, and more "tunable". They'll have one working on an '08 very shortly I'm told. Zpyro Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 12:25 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ I waiting on my Special OPS can and I had someone make a cable for me so I can hook it up to ECMspy and have Xopti tune it. can't wait Boney95 Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 12:59 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Bump. Any other opinions? | ||
| 147db |
...just turn the wrist clockwise. Your bike is fast enough without all this crap. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Give BuellGator (Paul) at Gainesville H-D/ Buell a call. Also, call the maker of which ever pipe you plan to install (several are sponsors of this site). | ||
| Kev187 |
This is a lot to take in & I am one who is handy with mechanics & a wrench. Sooo with my 2008 Ulysses~ I can do the K&N & Exhaust (looking at the Special Opps, but also the D&D) Tecnically the DDFI 3 on my 2008 should re-map itself to not fun lean & the bike "should" be happy. Or I could send the ECM off to a few reccomended people to have it flashed to run happier with the performance mods Or One of these TFI external box devices will be out (sort of an electronic jet kit for th stock system?) what are the pros & cons of this set up? I previously had a 2002 X1 with a supertrapp & race ECM & it did indeed wake the motorup with the mods. Looking to have my ULY just as happy & have some sound from the exhaust for Washington DC commuting! Thanks in advance everyone :-D | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Kev wrote; "I can do the K&N & Exhaust (looking at the Special Opps, but also the D&D) Tecnically the DDFI 3 on my 2008 should re-map itself to not fun lean & the bike "should" be happy." I have an 08. The Spec Ops pipe has been on for 4000 miles w/o problems. | ||
| Vwflat4driver |
bikes still in the shop. techlusions having issues with reprograming the ecu's. terry at jt&s in sonoma (who works with Al from amer. sportbike) has been working diligantly on an 08 12s 08 uly and an 08 9s..hopefully there will be a breakthrough very very soon as theyve been working on em for over a month now!I should know. mines been there all this time and i'm anxious to go riding lol!!!!! | ||
| Werewulf |
question about the 08 tps reset proceedure: is it necessary to let the bike go thru its intiial cycle when the key is turned on, before starting the reset proceedure? or should it be done immediately upon turning the key on? anyone know? this proceedure is the same as on the v-rod i believe.. | ||
| A1203r |
Regarding the 08 performance upgrades, have you asked you dealer if the 07 ecm is any different from the 08? I've heard you can do a pipe w/o the ecm but it's not recommended. I just did a drummer, race ecm, and UNI air filter. Amazing difference. Kevin at Drummer is a great guy and makes a great product. Also, don't forget the suspension when thinking about performance modification. www.kdfab.com www.unifilter.com | ||
| Mesozoic |
I did some research on DDFI 3 and to summarize, the important points are that a) it eliminates the need to adjust timing because the engine now has a crank position sensor, b) the ECU's CPU is upgraded so it samples around 30 Hz instead of 2 or whatever pathetic rate it was in DDFI 2, and c) it actively calibrates the TPS so there's no need to zero it out anymore. The ECU is designed by a company called IDS (Intelligent Design Solutions http://www.intelligentdesignsolutionsinc.com/news. htm) and they specifically design them to interface easily with PCs. In any case, ECMSpy allows you to datalog and see if there's any lean spots using a WBO2 so you can retune once you've upgraded your muffler, etc. | ||
| Boney95 |
The thing is, if you monkey (ECMSpy) with the stock ECM (remap it) you void the warranty. I was just at Hal's Harley Davidson talking to Bud and he states that you will harm the engine in the long run if you run an aftermarket pipe with a high flow filter due to the motor running extra lean. But then I talked to another guy at Hal's and he said that I'd be fine. Well, I pulled the K&N for piece of mind and kept the Drummer on. I can totally feel the power loss without the K&N, pisses me off!!! At this point there is nothing on the market that you can buy, that doesn't directly "monkey" with the ECM for an 08. | ||
| Mesozoic |
You make a good point on the warranty concern. Kevin even suggested that I should leave the bike alone until the warranty was over. It's easy enough to save the stock tune and if it does need to go in for warranty, just reflash the ECU with the stock tune. A bit devious, for sure, but that's the price you pay if you want to modify a vehicle under warranty! | ||
| Retrittion |
I think patience is a good thing (I don't always have it but oh well) so I would suggest waiting for ECMSpy to get figured and then use that. I don't know about adding mods to an '08 but I just installed a SpecOps on my '07 12R and it is running noticeably better but it does have some decel popping. Next will be a K&N and some ECMSpy tweaking (note to self, gotta get one of those cables) to fix some rough edges. Warranty issues are worth discussing but from the checking I have done (just finishing up my Business Law class right now) the warranty can only be voided by the use of the mod if the mod can be proven to be directly responsible for the problem. Simply being installed on the bike does not reach the required standard. As far as ECMSpy being a damaging thing, that doesn't track with the results people here have had -- if anything, a proper remap of the ECM should tune your bike to the specifics of your bike, and I don't know as much about bikes as cars but in cars tuning makes the engines last a longer time NOT a shorter time. I could be missing something though... (Message edited by retrittion on June 04, 2008) (Message edited by retrittion on June 04, 2008) | ||
| Mesozoic |
ECMSpy or any tuning device in inexperienced or naive hands can result in some engine damage, but most people consult with their buddies and/or people they know and trust before making ECU mods. Aftermarket pipes, intakes, cams, etc. normally mandate at least inspecting the state of the tune. The general idea is to datalog the AFR throughout the RPM ranges at various engine loads, identify any excessively lean or rich areas, and then retune the fuel maps to lean or fatten these areas to make them stoich or optimal power (13:1 or something). The one thing that seems obvious however is that you'd want to replace the stock O2 with a WBO2 sensor to datalog the AFR. The stock narrowband unit won't do a good job. I've got an NGK WB02 unit I plan to use for this purpose, but there's plenty of other options. Many WBO2 units will perform double duty as a datalogging instrument as well as providing the stock narrowband signal that the ECM is expecting. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
This is a good question for the factory. I am going to post the it under "For the Factory" on this site and see if a response is giving.... | ||
| Vwflat4driver |
Got the bike back today! Terry an Jim at JT&S in Sonoma did a fantastic job on the tune with the Micron. They ended up doing the tedious task of using ecmspy to tune as techno research (direct link) was dropping the ball with there sofware.Throttle response was greatly increased from stock. The front wants to lift bad in first and second when stabbing the throttle now. Scary at first but super fun.Local guys with buell should look em up! There at the infineon raceway in Sonoma and there both super nice guys.. | ||
| Mesozoic |
I finally got the Batts Racing cable (well worth the xtra money for the fully built cable , IMHO) and hooked it up to my laptop. I downloaded and installed the drivers to the FTDI chip in there, plugged it into my '08 SS and pulled the tune right off. ECMSpy is a very high quality piece of software! The only thing I'm not used to doing is adjusting a tune by directly modifying the target inject pulsewidths. On my Mustangs, I've updated a table of target AFRs (ie. 14.7 for lean cruise and 12.5 for WOT). Before you start modifying the injector pulsewidths, it'd be good to know how big the injectors are. |
