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Etennuly
Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

From '06 on the air intake is at the front of the air box at the fuel cap. The earlier XB's air came in through that snorkle. The left side scoop delivered air to the rear cylinder and made air available for the air box.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Maybe something's changed from 03, but my scoop directs air straight up into my airbox."

You need to take another look at your left side scoop. Try looking at it from the front.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Will do. (heading out to a very cold garage)
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I see now, by looking down into it, it looks like a funnel straight out, but looking in (actually I fisted the poor thing), it splits right where it bends up into the airbox and directs air into the motor.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 02:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I will ante-up your right side scoop (already purchased) raise you a crash cage (in the garage) bid out a set of Mt-60 knobbie tires, see you a undertail exhaust and I will call the bet to run your test up the mountains, hills, forest roads and streams that I run my CITY-X for fun. I guarantee you they are not testing the CITY-X the way I ride it (Not unless you have Karin Mairitsch on her pink fluffy XB9 on paid staff ;P) btw my bike is my commuter and daily driver, not some race riding rocket trailer ornament. Theres your guantlet, come and get dirty. Ps stock lights still dont work well off grid rural riding. (pics will be posted when mods done)
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Court
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 06:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I stopped reading this the moment the civil conversation started but as one of the folks who knows, and thinks the world of Abe, I need to comment.

Abe, in addition to being one of the smartest folks (an amazing background, education and riding resume') is perhaps one of the finest folks I've even known. . . he is the embodiment of all that has made Buell a success.

Abe, for years, rode a "competing brand" to the office every day. Just to illustrate my point can someone name for me what an employee, any employee, of one of the other major manufacturers rides to work? My point is that it is off the charts cool that these conversations even take place and that we even know Abe's name. I've been amazed, when I am helping an owner with a problem, how he's willing to drop what he's doing to help me get an answer . . . no matter that it has nothing to do with his "job" . . he's committed to the Buell values.

The old adage "shit in your fox hole" comes to mind. If I ever did have an issue with something Abe said, I'd ask politely. I'd use the manners my parents taught me. Agree or disagree, I want this guy not only on my team but as a friend. I know him, his wife and his son and know what kind of person he is.

Buell is plum chucked full of really smart wonderful people. The spirited discussions here pale in comparison to many that take place daily at Buell. You should see what happens when Erik Buell and Abe disagree. . . it's an amazing process, devoid of name calling and personal insults, that has the proven ability to poll the brightest of the bright and generate a result that represents the sum, not the triumph of one of the other, of great minds.

I think the Buell values . . . particularly the "Respect the Individual" need to be posted here.

Court
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

hey wolfie, Just harassing ya a bit.


I get a chuckle every time I see that picture of your chain. Your point about the chain mod is valid. Company line is the belt is better, hmmmmm, at least till it leaves ya stranded.

Abe has an understanding of Motorcycles that I can admire and even envy. I was in the class with wolf and have to say that I hadn't seen that many equations on black board since physics back in college.

Abe is correct about the RSS even though I own one. It was built for the worst case, Desert heat idling for hours in a wind protected space.

It is ashame we can't have an adult discussion here with out the personal attacks.
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Court
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>It is ashame we can't have an adult discussion here with out the personal attacks.

The day that happens I assure you there will be a number of folks eager to participate.

I have fond memories of the days, years ago, when Erik and I used to get on the CompuServe Motorcycle Forum and blast it out every night with the VFR crowd . . .

Badweb, among the 3 forums I watch/participate in, does a stellar job of regulating the process.

But the reality of corporate lawyers and the counterveiling attributes of the world wide web, relegate, for the time being, the internet to entertainment.

I long for the day when Buell's own web site ONCE AGAIN has an owner area where folks can click a "submit customer service request" button . . . a "view updates to my factory service/parts manual" and so forth . . . the functionality has long existed and we'll see it eventually.

Brining some sort of civility to the process will be part of planning the deployment and scathing personal attacks in response to honest, well researched, answers from Buell engineers will not hasten the process.

But then . . . . I'm a frickin' construction worker.

I'm convinced that badweb has done more to advance the meaningful interface between Buell corporate and real owners than any other medium or means.

There's more to come and it's good.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Company line is the belt is better, hmmmmm, at least till it leaves ya stranded.

Ever drop a chain? I have. Been stranded plenty of times by a chain. Over 30,000 miles on this belt I'm riding, and it still looks new. Hooks up smooth and pulls like a freight train. I doubt it will fail. That is to say, I have more faith in this belt than any chain I've ever ridden.

Long live the belt!

Did I mention, zero maintenance and no greasy spots all over my wheels and luggage?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Some have aberrant belt breakage. Others ride forever without issue.

I don't know which I am, so I'm taking the middle ground. I'll replace mine at 20,000 miles as preventative maintenance. The price is similar to a good quality chain. The service interval is longer than most chains, I don't have to worry about replacing sprockets, and I don't have any maintenance.

Seems like a good deal to me. If you want a chain, get a chain. I love the belt!
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Treadmarks
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

zero maintenance and no greasy spots all over my wheels and luggage

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Cataract2
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, on my 05 belt I have 41,700 miles on it. Original belt. I ride the piss out of it so....
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Jaimec
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Aren't you pushing your luck with the '05 belt? The belt didn't become a "lifetime" item until '06...
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Djkaplan
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"F*** off, quite frankly."

"...well as I said before, F*** off."

There is no doubt in my mind that the first anony post was none other than Erik himself.

Just like Henry Ford III once said, "I can say it because MY name is on the building".

(Message edited by djkaplan on November 26, 2007)
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh NO......


I apologize.
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Cataract2
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Aren't you pushing your luck with the '05 belt? The belt didn't become a "lifetime" item until '06...

Maybe, but I check it and keep an eye on it. Still looks good. Plan to upgrade to an 06 belt soon. Keep the 05 as a spare.
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Skully
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Chains do have their own set of problems. Case in point: I was riding with a friend of mine who has a Ducati 750 SS. After going through several curves, I noticed that he was no longer behind me. I turned around and to my relief, he was standing next to his bike. His chain had broken and when it did, it punched a hole in his crankcase.


Ducati


Needless to say, he didn't ride the bike home.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That looks ugly.

Same thing happened to my Buddy's Honda 125. Jammed the chain between the front sprocket and the crank case with a nice hole in it.
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Chas1969
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hello,
If it is Erik or Abe ... then I sent a personal email to them this morning. But this forum is a dangerous place, not for frank talk about MC's. Take Care and So Long: )
Chas
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Blake
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

But this forum is a dangerous thoughtful place, not for frank disrespectful insulting talk about MC's good folks.

Fixed it for you. : |
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Mainstreamer
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm OK on the potential of vapor lock ant low speed with a RSS. No reason to doubt Abe. I'd like to hear from anony on other potential problems or concerns of a RSS.

to ABE and BMC for what they do for us.

to anony for an inappropriate response from a representative, employee of BMC.
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Dbird29
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Don't cry for me Argentina.
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Davegess
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

to anony for an inappropriate response from a representative, employee of BMC.

WE DO NOT KNOW THIS. ANYONE CAN USE THE ANON AND SOMETIMES IT MAYBE SOMEONE WHO HAS A GOOD REASON FOR USING IT OTHER THAN BEING AN EMPLOYEE.

Besides when you call someone who is honest as the day is long a liar you should EXPECT a response like the one that was given.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Baltimore Sun 11/26

Life doesn't need to be rated R

By Jeffrey Shaffer
November 26, 2007

Portland, Ore. - Here's something for Americans of all ages to think about: If your daily life were a feature film starring everyone you know, what kind of rating would it get from the Motion Picture Association of America?

This question popped into my mind several months ago when I heard a radio interview with two guys who were involved in the production of a popular teen-oriented movie. Because of strong language and various "adult" themes, the film had been assigned an R rating.

The radio host wondered how the movie guys felt about making a picture focused on teenage story lines that kids under 17 wouldn't be allowed to see in theaters unless accompanied by a parent or adult guardian.

The answer came without hesitation. The two partners claimed that dirty words and gross humor are normal elements of modern society. As an example, one of them asserted that whenever any group of people is sitting around in someone's living room, it's not possible to tell a really good joke or have an entertaining discussion unless the dialogue is R-rated.

"That's just how life is," was the core of their opinion. My first reaction was, "On what planet?" A civilization structured around obnoxious behavior seems like the plot of a Star Trek episode. I can envision the blurb in TV Guide: "Kirk and Spock beam down to a rowdy world populated entirely by eighth-grade boys."

But as the years go by, more evidence piles up that makes me think those movie guys may be closer to the truth than I want to admit.

The latest example came during a campaign stop in South Carolina by Sen. John McCain. A woman in the audience asked the Arizona Republican about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, using terminology more suited for dog breeding seminars.

Sometimes these R-rated incidents cause controversy, but it's usually short-lived. Don Imus lost his syndicated talk show earlier this year after making crude comments about the Rutgers women's basketball team, but now it looks as if he'll return to the airwaves in December.

During the 2000 presidential campaign, then-candidate George W. Bush, in front of an open microphone, insulted a New York Times reporter with an anatomical reference.

It's a trend that's been building for decades. When I was managing a college radio station in the early 1970s, the Federal Communications Commission still strictly enforced broadcast standards that had been in effect since the Depression. Bad language could get a station license revoked. I told my staff repeatedly never to goof around and play "party records" on the air.

I don't think party records exist anymore. Dirty comedy routines are now mainstream entertainment. Basic cable TV services run R-rated movies with little or no editing. Satellite radio offers a wide-open spectrum of provocative speech.

For many people, none of these trends is a problem. A common reaction is, "Hey, get over it."

I hope this doesn't sound like the ranting of an uptight geezer. It just seems to me that being courteous in public makes the everyday world easier to deal with. Good manners are not a form of elitism. And when I meet people who curse casually, I wonder if they're being crude as a form of rebellion against authority or because it's easier than building a large vocabulary.

Can you picture a future in which the concept of polite society has ceased to exist and expletives are enthusiastically included in all forms of communication? Can you imagine an R rating every time you start a conversation?

There's no way I want to be in that movie.

Jeffrey Shaffer is a writer in Portland, Ore. This article originally appeared in The Christian Science Monitor.
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Midknyte
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd like to hear from anony on other potential problems or concerns of a RSS.

an annoni recently commented that they have tested the RSS and our bikes would not pass EPA testing with them (I read that as bringing the temp of the rear down lower than designed for operating temps and not maintaining optimum fuel burn)

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=290431&post=986290#POST986290
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 04:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

to anonymous posters from whatever sources providing us with information and answers we would otherwise not have.

to people posting in a manner they would NEVER speak in real life or to Abe's/Erik's face. I DARE you to make the same statements in the tech briefing at Homecoming.


There have been heated discussions here. Vehement disagreements. When you call someone a liar to their face, expect them to come out swinging.

When you get called on it, friggin' man up and apologize. I have done it several times here when my words have rubbed people the wrong way.
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Court
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>>I have done it several times here when my words have rubbed people the wrong way.

Me too . . . I generally run about 2/year really stupid thoughtless posts . . . partially passion, partially trying to post while leading my "real" life . . . hey construction workers are busy guys.

When it happens you simply, as a wise man once said, friggin' man up and apologize.

The type of comment made was baseless and I'm thinking that no one who has participated, to this point, is a Buell employee.

Dave and I both know Abe well and I'm really disappointed. I hope at sometime in my life to be 1/7 as smart and 1/3th as nice as he is.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Shoot... if I was half as smart as I thought I was, I'd be twice as smart as I really am.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There is brilliance in knowing one's own dumbassedness.
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I will ante-up your right side scoop (already purchased) raise you a crash cage (in the garage) bid out a set of Mt-60 knobbie tires, see you a undertail exhaust and I will call the bet to run your test up the mountains, hills, forest roads and streams that I run my CITY-X for fun. I guarantee you they are not testing the CITY-X the way I ride it (Not unless you have Karin Mairitsch on her pink fluffy XB9 on paid staff ;P) btw my bike is my commuter and daily driver, not some race riding rocket trailer ornament. Theres your guantlet, come and get dirty. Ps stock lights still dont work well off grid rural riding. (pics will be posted when mods done)


this is the best response i have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PDKcX0Ji90


(Message edited by badlionsfan on November 26, 2007)
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