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Ds_tiger
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

*JAP* bike- seems to be a favorite.

I get the pain of the past. We can start with the Native American Indians, British, Spanish, Germans, Italians- heck pretty much anyone race of people in the world to slander with a derogatory name because of wars/ past/ etc...

But why does this forum routinely take the high road on "family friendly" and absolutely never make mention of the abrasive nature of the slur- *Jap*
??
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Peterj50
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I used that term untill a few weeks ago. I was'nt thinking of it as a slur untill my wife had me look it up in the dictionary. It is a slur just like all the others, and not acceptable to use.
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Teddagreek
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 12:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jap Bike
Japaneses Bike
Brit Bike
British Bike
Yank or Yankee Bike
American Bike

the connotation of the word Jap when you say Jap bike is not a slur.... Its a description..


Way too PC....

anyways what does this post have to do with XB's it should be in the Knowledge Vault}
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Skyguy
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

cause there ain't no Jew bikes.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

there is no nationality that would be shortened to Jew either.

The people using the term "Jap Bike" are not trying to use it as a slur for the most part.
I agree it is used in a derogatory sense at times, but that is in the context of non-american
Not as an attempt to degrade anyones ethnicity.

Having said that I will do my part to refrain from using the term in the future to
spare the feelings of those it hurts, and I offer my sincere apology to those people.
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Xb9ser
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 12:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't think it is a slur On the the japanese people as such, when used to talk about bikes.We all all know the quality of the japanese bikes it is just a typeing shortcut on internet!
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44mag
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

LOUD TIRED MOAN.

Please no more PC crap. Tiger, Try and figure out what is important in life ... you will be more happy. And so will I if I don't happen to read it on the XB forum.

Maybe they should open a forum for whiny weenies for you to post on.

The Jew bike joke was very funny though!
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Kootenay
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

JAP: Named for James (John) Alfred Prestwich, who founded his own company at age 20, in 1894. Designed his first motorcycle engine in 1901, but it wasn't produced until 1903. Made the first overhead-valve V-twin in 1906. Built a 660cc three-cylinder engine for Dennell. Val Page worked for JAP before going to Ariel. JAP patented a desmodromic valve design in 1923.Very successful after WW1 supplying engines for many manufacturers, but as more companies developed their own engines, JAP relied heavily on industrial engine sales in the 1930s. Merged with Villiers in 1957.

Unless I'm mistaken, Brough Superiors were powered by JAP engines, along with many other classic British bikes...
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Lenb
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Jap bike" is really just a contraction of "Japanese bike".

"Jap", when used by any Westerner younger than 70, is not intended to be offensive.

In any event, most Japanese people (who don't know much about the second world war nowadays) are hardly likely to read/interpret anything offensive in the term "Jap bike".

I think "rice burner" or "ricer" are derogatory however - especially as they are generally intended to be by those who use these terms.
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Lions
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 03:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hell, Most of the guys I ride with are Asians from Queens and Bkln and they call their bikes Jap bikes and rice burners. What's funny is when we got pulled over once, the cops were gonna give them tickets but not the only 2 "round-eye's" in the group...made for a very uncomfortable situation till one of the Asians produced his Badge(NYCPD) and the cop let us all go!

(Message edited by lions on July 24, 2006)
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Gramps
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 07:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok forget about that "Jap" stuff. I don't like that slur "YANKEE"
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 07:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jew bike would be called IS bike right?
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Jackbequick
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Okay,

Since those of Japanese heritage find it offensive I won't use the word. In fact I 've not used it in some years because of that.

But I want to know who is going to work on getting all those J. A. Prestwich engines remarked?

This beauty needs sanitizing real bad!

Jack

(Message edited by jackbequick on July 24, 2006)

(Message edited by jackbequick on July 24, 2006)
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Reducati
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 08:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

take it easy francis ....and any of you homos that touch my bike, ill kill you...}
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Snowhownd
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 08:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I can think of a whole lot more offensive word to refer to a "Jap Bike" as but I'll stick with Jap Bike - there's my PC moment for the day.
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Ds_tiger
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 09:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I get the reply points

If you knew me- which no one does on our forum..., I am the furthest away from PC

My opinion it is derogatory. And it is not to Jewish as is Jew. I worked for a Japanese company in the past, and made some good friends there. The word Jap is very offensive.

I just brought it up for discussion/ awareness> not to complain on and on about it-

done
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Hammer71
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 09:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Guess I need to rename my shovelhead then.
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Hammeroid
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 09:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Excuse me stewardess, will there be a movie on this flight??


Soooo what's a Jewish American Princess????}
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm not personally worried about Japanese people being offended.

Offended persons should file a grievance at the office located at the bottom of Pearl Harbor.
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 11:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is this thread for real??
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Wammy
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll be honest,
can't spell" japaneesesissiess
seem a little long
I mean no dis.
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Sgthigg
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

is there a button for a minus five stars?...how lame.

Jap bike = japanese bike

Amer bike= american bike

If I and 99.9% of americans heard a buel or harley called an "amer" bike we wouldnt get offended....

(Message edited by sgthigg on July 24, 2006)
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Wademan
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Too funny. I would like to hear from anyone who is actually offended by the saying 'jap bike' when refering to a japanese made motorcycle.
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Whodom
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm offended by 45 degree air cooled V-twins being referred to as "lumps"...
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Hoax
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I guess it really depends on how the term Jap is used. In most cases it's just simply used as a short version of Japanese with no racist undertones. I have to say as for a racial slurs go, Jap really isn't that bad. Even the term Nip is just short for Nippon.

I'm half Jap btw.
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Hammeroid
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can we still say rice burner??
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No_rice
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ugh, if i offend someone then i offend someone. i will be myself regardless of what someone else says i should think or say. people do or say things that should offend me all the time. i really dont care. i have more important things to worry about, like taking a nap or something...
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Chris_in_tn
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

With all the things going on in the world and with motorcycles, etc... We are discussing someones feelings. What a waste. Find something worthwhile to occupy yourself with. I think I'll go change my oil, should I use synthetic or mineral based oil? HAHAHA....
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Tpoppa
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jap is an abbreviation as far as I am concerned.

Jap Bike is easier to say then 'Imported Motorcycle built in Japan'
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Djkaplan
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Stupid people say stupid things - no rule or guideline will ever change that.
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