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Josh_
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

BadWeb Rules of Engagement:
When posting, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Vulgarity, pornography, flames, insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated. It's fine to disagree strongly with opinions, ideas, and facts, but always and only with respect for the other person.



Just because you agree with a position, it doesn't mean a personal attack isn't a personal attack.

Just because you don't agree with a position, it doesn't mean comments and observations are personal attacks.

Hearsay may not be the root of all evil, but it sure seem to start a lot of ****.

what happened to the swear filter?

(Message edited by josh_ on February 13, 2006)
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Court
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is precisely why the status quo suits me. . . "every single anonymous posting is screened and reviewed for authenticity by Badweb custodians. No anonymous posts are allowed unless the poster is verified and otherwise wouldn't be able to post here. "

Trust, but verify"
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Chainsaw
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Shouldn't that bubble say "Remind me sometime to tell you the story about..." ;)
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Blake
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Josh,
Excellent point. Though not played out publicly for all to see, please rest assured that as in the vast majority of custodial intercessions, BadWeB custodial personnel have properly and professionally addressed the issue. The issue should be dead at this point, on account of we have much more positive things to talk about.
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Court
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 02:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>>we have much more positive things to talk about.

That's an accurate statement!
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Skully
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think we all should be very cautious when listening to the Anon posters, and in the end we`d be better off without them.

Medic - Why would you say that?
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Court
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm curious as well.

Frankly, I find the statement, based on the fact that you could not possibly know who these folks are, as inflammatory and offered with the sole intent to incite.

Please don't mistake what I am saying as excusing some of the nose slapping by some of the nose slapping by anonymous posters, but at least they slapped SOMEBODY and didn't offer up blanket "catch all" dictums.

I'd like to hear your logic for eliminating anonymous posters that have been duly cleared by Badweb moderators.

This is not an argument. I really want to hear.
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Grndskpr
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When posting, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Vulgarity, pornography, flames, insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

What happens when you use vulgarity normally????
And Court, you actually had Brown hair, wild
R
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Crusty
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When posting, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Vulgarity, pornography, flames, insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

I agree. It's much more satisfying to insult somebody to their face.
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Medic_2512
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don`t want to say anything else, or next i`ll accused of being terrorist.
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Dbird29
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is better.

Court
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Blake
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Peter,

Like I said, I could be wrong, but in my estimation you rarely if ever miss an opportunity to bring the Buell naysaying. But because I'd hate to be unfair to you, and on account of I could be wrong, I did some quick research. Here is just some of the evidence I found...


quote:

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=11299&post=561546#POS T561546
Wow and i thought i was the only guy who had alot of problems with his Buell!



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=11299&post=519369#POS T519369
Yeah right, brand new 2 year old bikes what a deal. Do us all a favor and stick to selling Harleys. Maybe you`ll be selling us property in New Orleans next week.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3842&post=503392#POST 503392
Shop rates by me in NY range from $79-$90 per hr.
Then they tack on about 100% markup on all parts.

But the worst part the techs hate to work on Buells and have openly called then them "pieces of ••••" and the saleman say we only sell Buells cause they make us.

That must be great for business



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=4062&post=565891#POST 565891
The result i`ll never go near that Buell dealer again and left a bad taste in my mouth for Buell allowing dealers to operate and charge their customers like that.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=4062&post=503715#POST 503715
Seems like the norm for Buell repairs lately.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=4062&post=502808#POST 502808
Its experiences like this that make me want to have nothing to do with Buells. I know i`m just mad now and some Jap dealers do it to, but it seems like wayyyyy more Buell dealers are like this.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=4062&post=535528#POST 535528
Your not crazy, i`m going to the Suzuki dealer this weekend. I`m really serious about selling the XB and getting the DRZ 400 Supermoto or possibly the KTM Supermoto.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=4062&post=526946#POST 526946
You don`t need a Buell rider to have a good riding buddy. My riding group includes all the Jap bikes, Ducati, Aprilla, HD, Buell,and Triumphs.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=4062&post=523003#POST 523003
Buells in demand? Not sure about that.

I know several dealers that have 04`s and 05`s brand new still in stock. Also if your looking for the best deals check ebay for dealer sales.

I bought my 04 XB12 in PA for $8700.00 brand new with 2 miles in dec of 2003. I`ve seen many HD dealers just dump their Buell stock on Ebay just to get rid them. Just buy from them, save a few thousand dollars.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=4062&post=523372#POST 523372
Oh and another place to find dealers selling Buells for huge savings is Cycletrader and other sites like that.

Hey Daves, be sure to check them too!



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=595443#POS T595443
I think we all should be very cautious when listening to the Anon posters, and in the end we`d be better off without them.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=583169#POS T583169
I think the XBRR will be VERY competitive against the 600cc bikes. But come on, its got almost 1400cc and its not even street legal, how much fun is it gonna be beating up on the Japs with a motor almost 3 times the size? Hardly fair reguardless of the circumstances.

No one is holding a gun to Buell and saying you have to race a 50y/o designed motor thats aircooled and has 2 valves.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=583328#POS T583328
The next question will be is it fair to race an aircooled 1400cc motor against 600cc Jap bikes.
I think 1000cc`s might be more appropiate, but we`ll see how much pressure the Japs put on the AMA and where it goes.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=576140#POS T576140
I love the monster line, the new SR2 1000cc with
single sided swingarm, 6 speed trans, and twin high mount pipes is listed at less than $10,000 and the same version with the 800cc motor is $8500. Both of these are incredible bikes and are cheaper than the Buells.

The dealer by me has the new SR4 with the 996 motor and Ohlins suspension onsale for $11,500. I`m going to the dealer now to have a look. Anyone interested in an 04 XB12R that might be for sale?



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=577116#POS T577116
Didn`t know they were backordered? I stopped into a dealership in Upstate NY and they had four XB9SX`s.
Where are you located?



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=571597#POS T571597
The whole voiding the warranty over exhaust parts is a way for Buell to get out of honoring the warranty period. ... When it comes to warranty repairs don`t trust Buell!



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=572855#POS T572855
Buell customer service might be better now, but before the XB line of motorcycles they were the laughing stock of the industry. ... And even with the XB line now i can still tell you more bad stories than good stories about Buell. ... What have i learned after owning Buells for 10 years? The bikes break alot and the dealer and Buell corp never want to be responsible for fixing it.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=572864#POS T572864
Steve Larson, i still own two Buells which i still love. But also i own several other brands and i don`t think Buells are the greatest bikes ever made, not even in the top ten. Alot of people on this site (like Blake) drink the Buell coolaid and think Buell is the greatest bike and Buell corp is the most advanced company making bikes. Just so you know where some of these people are coming from.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=572927#POS T572927
Their are great Buell dealers out their, like Daves and our sponsors, but they are few and far between.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=572975#POS T572975
I just tell it like it is and i have found that Buell dealers and their customer service is the worst by far. When it comes to performance Buell is at the back of the pack of current sportbikes.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=560320#POS T560320
Your definately not the first person i`ve heard of with Buell that was lemon. I personally know two people that have had their XB in the shop longer than on the road.

Mine has been ok, i`ve only had problems with wheel bearing broken twice, dead battery, fouled plugs 4 times, fuses blowing, clutch cable snapped once, stalling, and broken 3 belts in 5000 miles.

I still love my Buell but they do have some issues. In your case try contacting Buell Customer Service, Good luck! You gonna need it!



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=560853#POS T560853
Again, i love my XB12, but its definately been far from trouble free. Probably the most unreliable bike i`ve ever owned. Just do a search on this site and you`ll find lots of people with all kinds of problems with their Buells. Having dealers that don`t want to or are not good at repairing Buells doesn`t help either.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=562939#POS T562939
I`ve ridden a Tuono for a weekend and its an incredible machine. It makes my XB12 seem boring and feel like its got the power of a moped after getting off.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=555948#POS T555948
I have a Buell XB12 and a 05 GSXR 1000. The GSXR is much cooler to ride anytime.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=558326#POS T558326
I had a 2001 RC51 and it you compare my XB12 to that bike you`ll be very disapointed.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/152098.html?1129612838#POST 527528
Personally i wouldn`t pay more than $5000 tops for an 2003 reguardless of how few miles. I`ve seen a few nice ones for $4500 with less than 5000 miles all being sold privately.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=506320#POS T506320
How fast are the XB`s running the 1/4 mile. The mags say high 12`s to low 13`s. Thats as fast as some of the new cars. I thought they were much faster than that?



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=503724#POS T503724
HAving a bike that blows fuses especially for the headlights is grounds for the Safety Claus of the Lemon Law.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=502592#POS T502592
I don`t understand how some of the XB`s claim to be getting 55 to 60 mpg or more? Maybe something is wrong with my XB12 cause i NEVER get more than 90 to 95 miles out of a tank, just (normal riding) before the low fuel light comes on. I`m filling it up almost to where the tank overflows!

I thought it was a problem with the light so i`ve tried to keep going a couple of times. That ended up running out of gas and stopping at 115miles and 120 miles. My bike is totally stock too with just a few thousand miles.

What gives?



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=509209#POS T509209
After 8000 miles all i`ve done is two oil changes and lube the chain every 1000 miles. Where the XB has had several belts, wheel bearings once, fouled plugs three times, fuses blown a few times, dead battery, broken footpeg, and TPS reset three times all in less than 5000 miles. In my opinion the Suzuki has the Buell built in build quality, reliabilty, and huge aftermarket support.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=530732#POS T530732
XB9Rski didn`t have too many problems with his Buell as long as you don`t count the fact that his original motor seized up and had to be replaced!

Me personally i`ve replaced wheel bearings twice, drive belt 3 times, fouled plugs 6 times, battery, fuses about 5 times, clutch cable broke, TPS reset 6 times cause of stalling and bad idling, footpeg broke, and other issues.

Great looking and very cool bike but probably the most unreliable bike i`ve owned without a doubt.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=529419#POS T529419
Thats my only gripe with Buells. Power or lack of,
80hp on the XB9 and 91hp on XB12 its just not very fun to ride. Sure it handles good and looks good but even a little Jap 600 will smoke from a starting stop or on any straight away. And the 750`s or 1000`s, these bikes do rollon wheelies at triple digit speeds. It just gets kinda boring on my XB when i ride with my friends who mostly have Jap bikes.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=525626#POS T525626
Put Heli or Converta bars on the Gxer so you can ride 8 hrs straight and you`ll have one incredible sport/tourer bike.

In terms of performance its not even close, gsxr!



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=590321#POS T590321
As a Buell and Ducati 999 owner i can tell you there is no place that my XB12 can keep up to a 749 or 999. Straight line, curves, and braking the XB gets destroyed.

The XB is still a great bike and fun to ride. Just don`t go start to compare it to race replics, its not in the same league.



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=591035#POS T591035
Me too, i can`t believe the price! What a great deal!



http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=577736#POS T577736
Goodluck getting front wheel up on your Buell at 65mph, its not happening! Maybe if your cresting a big rise or drop off...

Any new 600 Race Replica will power wheelie in 1st or 2nd from about 40 to 75 mph. Faster than that you need to clutch it alot.




Am I wrong and you are just a miserable negative naysayer? Or is it possible that you have malicious intentions? I dunno, but I cannot discount the latter.
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Odinbueller
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think a deep breath and a break is in order here.

To answer the original post, yes I believe the Anonymous posts are beneficial, but you have to read the posts. I've spoken to those "in the know", and when I hear them speak, I can pick them out in the Anonymous posts. I always take the info in, and see if it jives with what is going on in Buell in general. If Anonymous posted that in 2007, all XB models would sport an I4 liquid cooled power train, I would take it with a grain of salt, and investigate further. This is an extreme example, but you get the point.

For those that seem to think that the Anonymous posts are snippy & badger other BadWebrs, keep in mind that you may not know the entire story behind the relationship between Anonymous & that particular individual. Nothing clouds judgment worse than coming in on a conversation late, and only getting half the story from one side of the involved parties. I'm not defending or condemning the posts, I only don't have enough information or know the relationships that well between everyone on this board to jump to any conclusions. I may ask questions, but only to understand what is going on.

I agree there are a lot of Buell haters posting on this board, whether they realize it or not. Those that would tout that they love the marques and then talk about trading in for another brand doesn't speak volumes about their love of Buell, but then again, I don’t know the entire story. I only suggest that the faithful read the negative post, and take it for what it is worth. If it sounds goofy, it probably is. Rumors are easy to start, but confirming them is the key here, not "my friend knows a guy who works with a dude who works on Buells and knows that this year..." and taking it as gospel.

The key here is that Anonymous is anonymous for a reason. yes, there may be more than one anonymous poster involved, but I have faith that the custodians would ensure that the feature would not be abused by people of an unscrupulous nature. Not to mention that while Buell as a company is small, its parent company, Harley-Davidson, Inc. has pretty strict guidelines on how motor company personnel correspond with the general public and what info can be conveyed. The Anonymous feature allows those in the know to slowly lead us toward what is about to be released. No outright leaks of information, but more like a guide to keep us on track to what Buell is trying to accomplish. Take away the Anonymous feature, and our pipeline to future development is severed.

Always scrutinize what Anonymous posts, but remember, they are anonymous for a reason, a reason good enough for the custodians of this site that we all subscribe to. You do not have to believe anonymous, but you also do not have to listen to him or her either if you don't believe them.

Chris
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Josh_
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 10:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>Those that would tout that they love the marques and then talk about trading in for another brand doesn't speak volumes about their love of Buell, but then again, I don’t know the entire story.

differing definitions cause as many problems as spiteful people.

I sold two Buells to buy a Yamaha. Does that make me a Buell hater? How about I test rode two XBs and didn't care for either? (They just "feel" too small).

How about my buddy John who sold his S3 for a FJR and grips about how The Factory abandoned "our type" of riders? Hater? (a year later he still has the FJR but just picked up an S2. Still a Hater?)

Someone in the know repeats a story but gets a detail wrong, or implies an incorrect detail.
Someone else repeats said story, passing along said detail and unfortunatly implies yet another incorrect detail.
Someone else in the know slams second someone for passing on lies.
All hell breaks loose.

Did I miss anything?

Wasn't that a story line on General Hospital?
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Medic_2512
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake,
You have never liked my from the begining for some reason. Maybe its cause i`ve owned over 30 different bike, or cause have 5 different brands of bikes in my garage now and don`t appear to be a pure Buell loyalist, or maybe you just got picked on as a kid. Whatever the reason i`m sorry.

The truth is i love all bikes, not just Buells. If that makes you mad, again i`m sorry. I`ve also had quite a few problems with my old X1 and XB12 over the years and from time to time they have given me a few headaches! But i still love riding them and working on them.

Now that the appoligies are over, let me do some research of my own on you.

GO Buell!
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Sweatmark
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

BadWeB's "anonymous" link to Buell's corporate brain trust is a great selling point for me. Why?

(1) Gotta love rooting for the underdog, especially for an American sportsbike company swimming upstream against a torrent of Japanese (and eventually Chinese) manufacturers. Is such devotion nationalistic? Sure, but then so's the Olympics!

(2) This morning I re-read the '95 Erik Buell interview (http://motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/buellinterview6_95.html) that mentioned the origins of BRAG as "Rider's Advisory Group". It's great to find a mfr. (of any consumer product) that actively solicits, appreciates, and applies customer feedback.

(3) I've been a Beemer owner/rider much longer than I've been Buell-ing. The BMW MOA is a fantastic owners' group, with the best single marque "newsletter" magazine I know of, and a valuable ancillary benefit of Beemer ownership. The relationship between BMW Motorrad and riders/owners, OTOH, is rarely evident... it's unfortunate that BMW chooses to interact so seldom with loyal owners. Buell appears to follow a much different path, and I as owner appreciate this fact (or appearance of fact).

Mark
Oregon
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Jon
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Right on, Mark. The Anony feature is safe and sound. Not going anywhere.

Don't be a stranger.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 01:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Enough of the in-fighting already! We need to move on and stop ripping on each other.

And yes the Anonymous feature is worth it.
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Lowflyer
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 01:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Blake, that was hilarious. Don't ever do that to me.
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Odinbueller
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Josh, I completely understand your point:

"I sold two Buells to buy a Yamaha. Does that make me a Buell hater? How about I test rode two XBs and didn't care for either? (They just "feel" too small)."
This is an example of again, not knowing the entire story. Some posts just say "I got rid of it because Buell sucks". Like this example, yes, the original XB chassis was not for the larger riders. I wouldn't deem them a hater, just a potential for conversion to an XB12X or XB12Ss.

"How about my buddy John who sold his S3 for a FJR and grips about how The Factory abandoned "our type" of riders? Hater? (a year later he still has the FJR but just picked up an S2. Still a Hater?)"
I wouldn't call this a hater, just a pissed off customer : ). Understandable, and variety is the spice of life as they say. Owning more than one make of vehicle doesn't pit you against the others.

"Someone in the know repeats a story but gets a detail wrong, or implies an incorrect detail.
Someone else repeats said story, passing along said detail and unfortunatly implies yet another incorrect detail.
Someone else in the know slams second someone for passing on lies.
All hell breaks loose."


I guess you can sum this up as the "Purple Monkey Dishwasher Effect" (Simpsons fans will get this). The eventual slam, though, may or may not be warranted, just don't know the whole story. I haven't seen an inaccurate Anonymous post, but I haven't been on the board that long.

I don't think anything was missed, and I could have worded my post differently so that differing opinions are not considered haters. I only reference the obvious "Buell Sucks" posts as haters, that's all.

As far as GH, my wife made me watch that while we were dating in college, and have wiped the experience from my memory. Can not confirm or deny the story plot : )

Chris
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Clydeglide
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I agree there are a lot of Buell haters posting on this board,

Okay, I'll tell my story. I've been a service manger at some fine dealerships over the years. If something was wrong with a product or service I needed to know. To sweep things under the carpet so you didn't hurt my feelings was ludicrous and an outrage to me.

If I don't know what my customer's don't like how can I possibly fix it? So am I a hater because I had a bad experience? Am I a hater when I posted it on a message board and someone took offense? Shouldn't real problems, regardless of how offensive be aired, so they can be resolved?

Let's not let Erik know there's an issue. We don't want to offend!

Now that's something Erik should lose sleep over!

Elsewhere it seems but not here.

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Exupmonkey
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Settle down ladies! Freedom of speech is as important in your country as it is in mine, everyone should have their say regardless of viewpoint and to put things in perspective we are only talking about bikes here! My bike has been a constant pain in the arse since I got it, still love it though, but I think its important that not only is virtues but its pitfalls are aired here. Just my 'two pence' worth
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Josh,

If at every turn you made it a point to post inflamatory or negative naysaying commentary, then you would fit the same mold as medic. But you don't. He does. Therein lies the HUGE difference. I'm surprised you missed that significant difference.

Slam Buell motorcycles every which way possible then always close with "but they look good though." Sorry, I ain't buying it.






Clyde,

This ain't about you, and your newfound adversarial stance here is VERY disappointing to me.

No problem thoughtfully reported here is ever viewed as offensive. If you know of any case where someone aired a problem and was met with anyting other than thoughtful advise, please do show it to me. I defy you to do so. That is not what BadWeB is about.

BadWeB is ALL about diagnosing and helping folks resolve issues/problems and yes even helping to bring issues to the attention of the folks who are in a position to take action. That kind of constructive content is encouraged and applauded here, always has been, always will be. Period.

But Clyde, please don't confuse that kind of very constructive content with outright negativity, naysaying, passive-aggressive put-downs and other belittling muelings.

One type of critical commentary is helpful, productive and incredibly positive in nature and effect, the other is unhelpful, unproductive, and horribly negative/offputting. Surely you can see the difference.

Your horrible overgenralizations and sarcasm are not constructive Clyde.

No one wants to sweep anything under the carpet.

If you know of any specific instance where that kind of attitude has governed here at the direction of board custodians or prominent contributors, please let me know.

(Message edited by blake on February 14, 2006)
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Monkey,

There is no such freedom of speech on BadWeB. That is reserved for the town square. This is a Buell motorcycle enthusiasts' site and content that is intended to belittle and/or deride Buell motorcycles is unwelcome here. There are other web sites that welcome and even thrive on that kind of unfortunate commentary.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

As for you Medic, I too enjoy and appreciate a wide range of motorcycles, even cruisers and choppers. It is not your appreciation of other brands or models of motorcycle that offends me, it is your incessant never-ending naysaying. Simply read through your quotes above. You seem to never miss a chance to bash or belittle Buell. When the majority of your posts contain negative, belittling and often inflamatory statements against BMC, Buell dealers, and Buell motorcycles, while then lauding Buell's competition, I have a VERY difficult time not noticing it. I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. I want it to stop. It's that simple.

Like I said, I could be wrong, but I sincerely doubt it. If you want to hang around here and prove me wrong, that will be MOST welcome. If you intend to continue on with your incessant;y unconstructive naysaying, belittling, and bashing of things Buell, whether you think the bikes look cool or not, then your welcome will soon be worn out.

Your choice.
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Exupmonkey
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Think I'll buy that Aprilia after all!!
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd rather have a Ducati. : )
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Or a Beemer R1200GS.
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Grimace308
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

lmfao. after a stint in the infantry and now working construction, i have to double check my posts so i dont talk to you people, like i talk to the rest of the world. ;)

i dont understand the anon feature as if you aRENT WILLING to put your name behind something, should it carry any weight? yes, i also understand irony too...
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Odinbueller
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not sure why specific people are taking offense to a general observation that I made. I never directed anything towards anyone specific, though specific users are quoting me directly. If what I wrote rubs everyone the wrong way, then I sincerely apologize, but it was a general observation. If you feel that I am attacking you in some way, please don't, because that is not why I am here and not what I am about. If this is the way people feel about my posts, then I will reserve my observations for a different forum offline.

Again, my apologies to those that I have offended.

Chris
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