| Author | Message | ||
     Daves |
 Click on the picture for bigger version. Blue is Micron pipe,Buell race air filter,Race ECM and Directlink mapping Green is the D+D slip on,Buell race air filter,Buell race ECM and Directlink mapping Red is the Buell race kit and directlink mapping. The red chart is a different bike,my demo. The other two are on a brand new 06 XB12R,my new demo. Looks like I'll be running a Micron this year. Warning,these mods will void your warranty!  | ||
| Mr_cuell |
I am out of the loop - what is direct link mapping? (and how do I get it!?) | ||
| Daves |
Soon I will have pre-mapped ecms for all the common mods. | ||
| Mr_cuell |
nice - so if I were to order a micron/ecm/filter through you I could get it with the ecm mapped for that set up to duplicate (or reasonably close given variables in weather and the dyno itself)? Would I still need a tps re-set? I would love a system that avoided a trip to my local dealer - I do not trust them at all - | ||
| Medic_2512 |
Nice job Daves. | ||
| Typeone |
wow, great chart Dave and killer news regarding the pre-mapped ECMs!! the Micron does look excellent in that chart. some questions: will you be testing/mapping the Drummer as well? i'd love to see it thrown into the mix. will you be testing with different airbox mods? stock vs. swiss cheese vs. completely cut, etc? what if we purchase the software to tweak the ECM, will your shop provide baseline numbers at a cost? i'm not sure if the DirectLink package your tuning with is available to the public. curious what your other ideas are since I'm planning to buy more tools to help me tune in the garage here. thanks in advance! this is definitely cool news  | ||
| Mr_cuell |
I second desire to see the comparo w/ the drummer. I was all about the drummer SS until I saw the micron dyno you just posted. I have never seen 97 or anywhere close on other pipes charts, not even on microns own site - | ||
| Daves |
Mr, Cuell Yes, that is the plan. You would still need to have the TPS reset though. Kevin, want to send me a Drummer to test? Don't know when I would get the time though. I got these done because the guy from Directlink was here training my techs how to use the programs to map ecms. The guy really knew his stuff. I will try to get a map for the FAST system,Micron setup but there is no way I'd be able to try every single combo out there,sorry. | ||
| Xb9srider |
Dave, are you going to do any XB9 mapping? Like say an '03 with race pipe, filter, ecm? I would like to see the gains. Great job. Mark  Never Give Up! | ||
| Telewoodski |
Dave, So what is the plan with this. I have an XB12r with the racekit, and would like to purchase the map that you have come up with for that setup. Would I need to purchase the software, a key, and the map? How much would it be? Thanx again and good job! | ||
| Fcbuell |
I'll second that need for a Drummer mapping :-) Let us know... I'll take one! | ||
| Daves |
Yes, I plan on doing 9s too. Tele, Actually, you can send me your race ecm,I can map it and return it to you. I do not have all the bugs worked out of how this program will work yet but should have everything ironed out and prices soon. Keep in mind, next week I'm at the dealer meeting so it will be a couple weeks. | ||
| Glitch |
Yes, I plan on doing 9s too.  | ||
| Tank_bueller |
Great news!! Q1: Can you re-map a stock 9S ecm to run with a K&N and Drummer, or is it just for the race ECM?? Q2: If I have to purchase the re-mapped race ECM, how much will the cost of the unit increase? thanks, tank | ||
| Daves |
A1,Yes, I can remap your stock ECM,it is my understanding the race ecm has a decell,stop the popping thing in it that makes it better for doing the remap but a stock one can be remapped. A2, don't know yet | ||
| Fullpower |
Daves you rock. this is THE BEST news i have had since the purchase of my XB. the AF numberes looked very nice there, and of particular note was the low/mid rpm toruqe advantage. looking good. | ||
| Metalstorm |
Dave, you are a true Buell hero. Pre mapped ecms. That is just so totally cool that I just don't have the words to do it justice. Just one more thing to temp me to drop my stock exhaust. I don't know if I should thank you or be upset. I guess I'll thank you.  | ||
| Fullpower |
mmmmmm 98 RWHP from a stock XB motor. sweet! | ||
| Nasty73z |
Wow, the D&D really sucked. Really am quite surprised... | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
As I may have previously noted: Daves be Da Man  Sign me up for the XB9 with Drummer, K+N, and Race ECM please. | ||
| Biker_bob |
Does this effect the Buell Warranty, regular or extended? | ||
| Midknyte |
Yes, see the post at the top of the thread...last sentence | ||
| Al_lighton |
Additional info about tuning with DirectLink, especially with the Micron, can be found in the Dyno Testing thread under the American Sport Bike sponsor section here: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/17143/162217.html?1137289218. My tuned Uly with the Micron is a monster. We've been working with Technoresearch to get the product released without bugs for a couple months now. I fed them all the ECMs so that they could add their ID numbers to the SW, and supported their tech questions so that they could release it properly. Until today, DirectLink would not work with an 06 XB12 STOCK ECM, but as of today, it does (Version 2.40.63-L). That cleared the third to last hurdle that we had before I would consider it complete enough to sell commercially. The 2nd to last hurdle is the inclusion of the AFV reset function, which can be worked around if you have VDSTS or a Digital Technician to do that function. Sandro at Technoresearch told me he is adding that finctionality this week. The ability to DISPLAY the AFV will come later. That function is needed to confirm that the drivability tuning is spot on, but it isn't 100% required to get the tuning done. The last hurdle is being completed as I write this. We had remapped a RACE ECM on an 06XB12X, but had not been able to connect to the stock ECM on an 06 XB12X. Terry (Buelldynoguy) is now in the process of putting the map that we developed for my Uly (with a race ECM) into the stock ECM on HIS Uly. If he gets identical results with his stock ECM as I got with my Race ECM, then there won't be a reason to buy a Race ECM as the starting point (unless you want to retain your stock ECM untouched). On the two questions that were asked, Dave's answer to the first one wasn't entirely correct. All of the XB ECMS, Race or not, include the Accel and Decel tables, and they are very powerful tuning features. The question on whether a race ECM has an advantage over the stock ECM only exists on the XB12. On an XB9, since it doesn't use a servo, the race ECM doesn't bring anything to the table over an identically tuned stock ECM. On an XB12, we know that a stock ECM will need to at least get a servo emulator attached to keep it from throwing a code. AND, until Terry completes his test, we don't know 100% for certain that the servo event doesn't throw a kink into the tuning. We'll have that answer this week, and then I will have the SW up on the website for sale. Maps and pre-tuned ECMs and entire packages will come later. The Accel and Decel table issue is likely an issue on tuning the tube frame ECMs. I've been focusing on the XB ECMs for the time being, but will start looking at the tuber ECMs once we have the XB issues under control. I provided technoresearch with both stock and race ECMs for the tubers, so the ability to manipulate those tables is in the SW. But we don't have any experience doing that yet. Al | ||
| Diablobrian |
Al,Dave, both of you guys ROCK! | ||
| Dtx |
Wow, the D&D really sucked Actually the D&D was looking pretty good in the mid range areas...it is the highest of the three in the 4-5K range. | ||
| Dtx |
How much will it cost? | ||
| Nasty73z |
Actually the D&D was looking pretty good in the mid range areas...it is the highest of the three in the 4-5K range. But it is down 6 peak hp to the race kit and 13 hp to the Micron. 13 rwhp for around $200 more dollars is a bargain, and the D&D was barely making more power in the mid range than the Micron. I do believe that the Micron system is the new Buell power and torque King Dick  } | ||
| Kds1 |
I don't understand why you can't get that pesky 13ftlb at 2200rpm on the bottom picked up??? Somebody didn't do they're math.....It's a great power curve and the numbers are great also, just too much loss on the bottom for me, not worth a 3hp peak peeing contest for me....I'll get the SS tuned real soon....I'm sure I can find a few more with the right tune.....hope it's not too much more...great job Daves!!!!! Kevin www.kdfab.com | ||
| Medic_2512 |
The Micron rocks! Daves how much do you sell them for? | ||
| Daves |
I talked to Micron earlier today and the list price is 795.95 I have to work out some details but should be able to do the "ever popular" 10% discount on these too! |
