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Judsonkillian
Posted on Friday, April 19, 2019 - 01:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hello guys, I'm trying to troubleshoot an ignition issue. I bought a 1125CR (2009) last year, and it is a blast to ride. Last July it wouldn't start, so I trailered it to Harley, they said the ignition solenoid was bad, so $650 later it was fixed. Then the battery went bad, though on a trickle charger, so I replaced that, and bought another solenoid myself and replaced it. When I crank it, it acts as though there's no spark. I took th air cleaner off and used starting fluid, but it won't fire. I looked at the schematics, and don't see a fuse for it, any ideas where I should look? I don't want to trailer it to Harley again, it's over thirty miles. Any insight is appreciated.
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Willmrx
Posted on Friday, April 19, 2019 - 02:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have you checked what the voltage is at the battery terminals, while you are trying to start it?
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Stevel
Posted on Friday, April 19, 2019 - 03:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What ignition solenoid?
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Nuts4mc
Posted on Friday, April 19, 2019 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jud:
1) 2009s have a known charging system problem...see the sub forum in this forum to learn more.
2)Like Steve sez...What ignition solenoid?...possibly you changes the "relay" in a box/bank of relays back by the battery...
3) here's a link to an you tube movie on how to check your charging system...gonna need to buy a Multi meter and learn how to use it...look for burnt of discolored Yellow wires going to a big Grey connector under the seat...you'll see it in this movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oag9bKcJUM0

4) you can use the Google link at the top of this page to learn more about problems and answers concerning the 1125

hth
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Judsonkillian
Posted on Friday, April 19, 2019 - 02:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i apologize, ai meant the starter relay. The part that sits between battery connectors, triggered by the ignition switch.
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Coastrambler
Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2019 - 01:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That relay, "start relay", is a stock H-D part. It's $4.95 plus tax at H-D. Made in Italy. Mine went out awhile back. Keep a spare now.
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Judsonkillian
Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2019 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I bought one from St Paul HD, it was twenty0one bucks, but it came in a Buell bag in a Buell box.
HD checked the stator when I had it in last year, it was charging at 13.7 volts, which is what it should be. I Don't understand why the stator would keep the plugs from firing though. I keep my bike one a trickle charger, so it's always fully charged.
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Willmrx
Posted on Monday, April 22, 2019 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have you checked the crankshaft position sensor? Sometimes they get metal shavings on them, causing the ecm to get confused. I just upgraded both my 2008 and 2009 with a SH847 VR. I now am getting 14.2 volts plus on both bikes. I was having a issue with the 2008 stalling on me at stop lights and right after I started it up from time to time. Now since I replaced the VR it has not stall on me once! And when I start it now, the idle is way more stable. And for the start relay, I took mine to the local auto parts store and they matched it up with a 1997 Ford Explorer windshield wiper relay. They are a common relays in the automotive world. I have also gotten the temp sensor and o2 sensors at the local Auto parts stores. And take a good look at the relay box for sings of overheating and damage to the female side of the connection. FWIW.

(Message edited by willmrx on April 22, 2019)
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Nuts4mc
Posted on Monday, April 22, 2019 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the other issue you may have is that the battery doesn't have enough "reserve" to fire the ignition...take it to an auto parts store and have it "load tested"...the battery needs to fire up the lights,fuel pump, and starter all at the same time to start the engine..if it doesn't have enough reserve something is not going to get the power it needs to fire the the plugs..that's why Willmrx suggested reading the voltage at the same time you are cranking the engine...the battery may not have enough reserve to make it all happen
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Panshovevo
Posted on Monday, April 22, 2019 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The clever way the headlight wiring is routed uses a relay to cut the power to the headlight(s) when the starter button is depressed. This makes a few more amps available to the starter and ignition system.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, April 22, 2019 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

The clever way the headlight wiring is routed uses a relay to cut the power to the headlight(s) when the starter button is depressed. This makes a few more amps available to the starter and ignition system.




That is clever. Is this just an idea or has anyone put this into use with the 1125R?
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Panshovevo
Posted on Friday, April 26, 2019 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thatís the way they are wired from the factory.
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