| Author | Message | ||
     Clk92vette |
This is such a popular and passionate thread I just couldn't resist: 1) There is obnoxious loud and their is awesome loud. My '72 Chevelle with open headers, my '88 Thunderbird TC open after the cat, my wife's Vitamix blender, my sons "most annoying" yell, and anything Nanci Pelosi utters are obnoxiously loud. My LT1 Vette open after the cats, the 1125R on most aftermarket pipes, a cigarette race boat at full throttle with twin BB Chevy's, and radial engined aircraft are awesome loud! Frequency plays a huge part in the obnoxious vs. awesome factor. 2) I don't care what the results of Froggy's "study" reveal, if driver's can hear a bike before they can see it then your chances of being noticed improve dramatically. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Every year when winter approaches BWB gets busy. Jonesing bikers like any addict tend to aggravate easily. RE: the video link. Would this have happened if this guy had been on an air cooled harley with upswept fishtails? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3KBgBujN2w | ||
| Wymaen |
^^Yes. | ||
| Stevel |
I have the 1125 racing exhaust system. That system is exquisitely made and very expensive. It is totally unacceptable on the street because of the noise. I have modified that system with a removable tailpipe and silencer similar to the 1190. In that way, I use the collector as an expansion chamber for the pulse reflection. The silencer I used is a Italian carbon fiber unit that I modified and repacked with glass fiber string. The race system uses larger head pipes and flows better than the stock units, but the pipes also require re-machining of the head exhaust ports. It will probably make a lot more power, but then the whole engine is severely modified as well. | ||
| Nikoff90 |
Race exhaust from what I have seen is a total wast of money on the street and offensive. My experience on many a Sunday sport ride has been most of the liter bikes slow and in the rear of the pack in any of the fun twisters "fnautocorrect" sans just a few riders . Bone stock 600s often faster and even a few vintage bikes. | ||
| Budgolf |
Why do we humans as a species have to whine about every little thing that bothers us? | ||
| Shawns |
I'm guessing nothing better to do. I come here for help on problems and ti help others. Some people just want to put people down to feel better about themselves. I like to call them F*ck-tards | ||
| Rodrob |
I had a loud exhaust. Couldn't take it anymore. I ride a lot and it just made me feel fatigued and beat up, not to mention the dirty looks. Went back to stock. I'm a better rider because of it. I haven't noticed any difference in safety or awareness from other drivers. I get a lot less attention from the man. I see radar guns come to the ready long before a bike is seen, when it is heard from blocks away. By the time they notice me, I've seen them. I too ride like everyone is trying to kill me. So far, so good. | ||
| Stevel |
Nicoff90, You are correct, exhaust system changes, especially full race ones, do not make more power without redoing the engine internals. In fact, exhaust system design should follow the engine redesign, not the other way around. Make no mistake, race exhaust systems do make lots of power, but not by themselves. It also appears Dean's RT3 system is very effective and he should be congratulated for his success, but it is not normal. What is normal, is that when these aftermarket exhausts are fitted, they scavenge too well and as the engine runs up to the pipe resonance, severe lean out occurs and power falls off, requiring lots more fuel to compensate. As the motor reaches the max torque point, torque increases dramatically easily exceeding the prior max torque value of the factory system creating a very narrow effective power band. This works really well on a race track where the rider can keep the motor speed on the pipe, but in traffic, it sucks. Engine design is a very holistic exercise and all of the engine components must work in harmony and the exhaust system is simply one of the whole. There is no individual magic bullet. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
The Barker is equally effective at making power, but a couple hundred cheaper. I am sure by this time you have seen the American Sport Bike exhaust shootout. | ||
| Rick_fears |
I like my exhaust loud enough where I can hear it. I don't use my tach to shift I pay attention to the sounds and vibrations of the engine. I am very respectful of other people and maintain very gentle and reasonable riding within city townships. Outside of that. Well. ........ 'Murica. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Rick_fears: "I like my exhaust loud enough where I can hear it. I don't use my tach to shift I pay attention to the sounds and vibrations of the engine. I am very respectful of other people and maintain very gentle and reasonable riding within city townships. Outside of that. Well." +1 from this old Buell rider. I do exactly the same except when going to red line with the revs. Well spoken. Bob | ||
| D_adams |
The same applies to every system I have built to date. RT-1, 2, 3, & 4. Full system as well. XB exhaust, 3 different models, all made at least 10% more power than the stock system with zero engine modification. However, every last one has been marked for race use. None will pass any noise regulations. I build for power only, all else is either secondary or a by-product. | ||
| Matteson |
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| Redbat |
Hey Matteson, come on now, I'm the Redbat! | ||
| Matteson |
Didn't even notice. Sorry man  That's one of my favorites | ||
| Dannybuell |
U2 LOL | ||
| D_adams |
Apparently it's not too loud for some people. Got this last night from an EBR employee "BTW - love the sound of James' bike now. Bad ass!!" Another take on it was "If you wanna hear real American muscle you gotta hear this bike! BAD F*CKING ASS!!!!" (Message edited by d_adams on September 27, 2014) | ||
| Matteson |
The sound and pipe are my only selling point to people that have no idea what my buell is when talking to them about it. | ||
| Zew2888 |
I think some people on here mine as well ride a goldwing... +1 Dean...Bad F*cking Ass. | ||
| Matteson |
So we can just keep this thread alive with hell ya's and bad f*cking ass !  | ||
| Redbat |
I tend to agree with the comments by Rick fears, Matteson, and D Adams. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Bikes are not Loud Coonhounds Are | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Gee, I wonder if the EBR employee is biased at all?
Huh?
The anti-noise pollution folks are not about eliminating the exhaust note. Not sure where you "loud pipes save lives" guys got this from. It's about moderation and time/place. I guess you could say it's about a little self-control as well. i have a Barker on both my street and track bike, so I am not rocking the stock pipe. HOwever, I am very aware of my surroundings. It's really not that hard to short shift in town (still plenty of get up and go) and to idle into residential areas...and as someone said, once you get to the good riding areas in the outskirts, it's pretty much open game. What I personally find extremely offensive is the attitude of people who have stated in this very thread--"I don't care about anyone else", "I scared this lady as I passed her and I enjoyed it", "The louder the better," etc. Part of living in a modern "civilized" society is considering other people...especially when those other people are itching to seriously impact OUR right to ride. For every 1% who think your loud pipe is awesome, there are 99 others who hate you. (Message edited by fresnobuell on September 30, 2014) | ||
| Albert666 |
i roll my bike to the end of the drive before starting it up, then pretty much idle to the end of the road before starting to give it any ( once its warmed up obviously) | ||
| D_adams |
Ah, no. The person in question has ZERO vested interest in making an 1125 loud, seeing as to how the bike is no longer produced. Aftermarket offerings mean nothing to this person from a business standpoint. If you knew who it was, you'd understand. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
He's a motorcycle guy, so he would be more inclined to like the loud pipe...versus the general public. I like my Barker, but I am guessing my neighbors have a different opinion...and I tread lightly. Again, like guns, it's not the pipe it's the person twisting the throttle. I do wish there was a quieter option that made the power the Barker and Keda pipes make. My buddy has a great Yosh pipe on his Gixxer 1K that is perfect. Not much louder than stock but has a nice deep tone to it...and it looks sweet too. | ||
| D_adams |
Never said it was a guy either, did I? Yeah, it was a WOMAN that made that comment. Mmmhmm, stereotypes abound here. | ||
| Matteson |
Louder, I can't hear you over fresnos barker. | ||
| Zew2888 |
I just feel like Fresno doesn't pray what he preaches with having a Barker. It's funny how most people in this thread do say that they are respectful with loud exhaust and yet he still has to be hypocritical by saying we are offensive to "modern society" even through he's rockin a Barkers. Crazy. Is there a way to just shut a thread down just to stop this guy? (Message edited by zew2888 on September 30, 2014) |
